Another heated pinion angle debate!!!!!

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Tony????.....

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why do you call me? DRDIFF any many others have the same view as I do. that was a good article and I see many that have moved out the 60s way of thinking. even Dave Morgan changed hiw views on pinion angle over the way it was written years ago. and admitted it was wrong to set pinion angle off of the shaft. ujoint phase is important in stopping vibration and other issues. some choose to ignore it some don't. simple as that. and only 1 pinion angle thread per month please

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Tony????.....

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i don't think he was calling you- was he wondering if you had changed your name?

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I figured I'd stir a few of you up

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you couldn't stir somebody up if you tried

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Tony????.....

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i don't think he was calling you- was he wondering if you had changed your name?

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no I don't change my name every week or 2 like a bunch of people on here.

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Tony????.....

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why do you call me? DRDIFF any many others have the same view as I do. that was a good article and I see many that have moved out the 60s way of thinking. even Dave Morgan changed hiw views on pinion angle over the way it was written years ago. and admitted it was wrong to set pinion angle off of the shaft. ujoint phase is important in stopping vibration and other issues. some choose to ignore it some don't. simple as that. and only 1 pinion angle thread per month please

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I think MOST PEOPLE refer to it (properly) as setting the operating angle, THEN rotating the pinion down to get your pinion angle....
Except that Tony guy....

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yea old Vedgie has been over on the bullet trying to find out how many stupid threads he can start.

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here for old times sakes

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You musta read it 100 times Tony, but once more won't hurt you....



http://www.markwilliams.com/driveshafttech.aspx

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This is how I define those terms:

Pinion angle: Relationship between the pinion centerline and the transmission centerline.

Operating angle: Slope of the driveshaft.

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Here's the problem with that definition, IMO....

Can you set the pinion angle in a vehicle with a two piece driveshaft?
Can you set the pinion angle in a 4x4, front or rear differential?

How??


(C'mon Quicktree.... )

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we drag race and work on drag cars not 4 wheel drives and 2 piece drive shaft equipped vehicles. go find you a 4x4 or bus forum I am sure they can tell you how they do it. either that or ask sixpackgut

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This is how I define those terms:

Pinion angle: Relationship between the pinion centerline and the transmission centerline.

Operating angle: Slope of the driveshaft.

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Here's the problem with that definition, IMO....

Can you set the pinion angle in a vehicle with a two piece driveshaft?
Can you set the pinion angle in a 4x4, front or rear differential?

How??


(C'mon Quicktree.... )

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we drag race and work on drag cars not 4 wheel drives and 2 piece drive shaft equipped vehicles. go find you a 4x4 or bus forum I am sure they can tell you how they do it. either that or ask sixpackgut

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Hummm.... Can you say constant velocity joint

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This is how I define those terms:

Pinion angle: Relationship between the pinion centerline and the transmission centerline.

Operating angle: Slope of the driveshaft.

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Here's the problem with that definition, IMO....

Can you set the pinion angle in a vehicle with a two piece driveshaft?
Can you set the pinion angle in a 4x4, front or rear differential?

How??


(C'mon Quicktree.... )

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we drag race and work on drag cars not 4 wheel drives and 2 piece drive shaft equipped vehicles. go find you a 4x4 or bus forum I am sure they can tell you how they do it. either that or ask sixpackgut

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4x4 guys figure THEIR pinion angles are JUST AS IMPORTANT to their drivelines as you figure pinion angles are to your cars.
If you need to dismiss the actual definition when it comes to certain vehicles then so be it, but unless YOUR version of what a pinion angle's TRUE definition is can be used to set up a race car, a 4x4, a street car, or a 1978 Dodge 2wd pickup with a two piece driveshaft.... well, it probably means you should redefine what YOUR definition is, don't ya think?

I have NOOOOO doubt what you do to set up your pinion angle will work, and it most likely will be exactly what I do to set up MY pinion angle, it's your DEFINITION of pinion angle that has me scratching my head year after year.
An operating angle being the driveshaft slope doesn't even make sense to me, different driveshaft slopes to different tranny and differential angles, height differences etc would have "operating angles" that were defined by driveshaft slope all over the place.

From the Mark Williams site... once again, and as was posted above in a diagram or two by others....

"Operating angles in a driveshaft are the angles between the pinion, driveshaft and transmission centerlines."

That's the definition I go by.


It can be used for a street car, a race car, a 4x4, a bus, whatever, and it works. Once set the PINION ANGLE can THEN be achieved.

Left two columns are setting up the OPERATING angle, and then and only then is the pinion angle set. The right column is the PINION ANGLE, which is set AFTER the operating angle is set....

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you don't have to worry about what you call it. you will never make it to the track to find out

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This summer I'll be there.

I'll have an English cap and some Grey Poupon, but I'll be breaking parts with ya!




And you have to admit... you ALMOST hit my 6.66 prediction....

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we ran 6.57 last week

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You are running nitrous or lightening the car or SOMETHING to get away from my predicted number, ADMIT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


6.66 is your destiny......