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72 Missile Cuda
Posted By: StewartP
72 Missile Cuda - 03/12/10 06:16 PM
As time allows, I will post some photos of the 72 Missile Cuda. This first picture shows what happens when you decide to store your old car in the back yard and restore it later.
StewartP
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/12/10 06:29 PM
I was wondering if anyone had saved the 72 Motown Missile Cuda yet. I came across an older post on another forum from a few years ago on this old pro-stocker, anyways here's a quote & photo of it:
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The 1972 Motown Missile 'Cuda last seen wasting away outside somewhere in Canada. "As of 2004, the Plymouth Barracuda was sitting under a tarp in Ottawa, where it had been for at least ten years. Dick Oldfield visited in 2003 and, after shoveling around three feet of snow off the car, was able to verify that it is indeed the ’Cuda. It was in pretty bad shape."
Posted By: Thor500
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/12/10 06:43 PM
Tragic, any on track pics floating around?
Posted By: Seth_Jones
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/12/10 06:47 PM
Stewart-Is it being restored or just still sitting?That particular car is my all time favorite mopar.
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/12/10 06:59 PM
Just melting into the ground. That is the problem with putting off a restoration - some better photos of it back in the day
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Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/13/10 04:29 PM
Stewart nice pic's of the 72 Motown Missile Cuda from the old days,
and do you have anymore of it returning to the elements.
Posted By: RUNCHARGER
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/13/10 06:12 PM
Wow: It's hard to believe someone could let an Icon like that rust away. I'm sure he will cash in at some point and it will go to a collector. Sad right now though.
Sheldon
I have an old mag. that overlooked and documented the build of that car. ALOT of VERY cool parts and a car way ahead of its time
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/13/10 06:19 PM
I will look for some other photos from the olden days
StewartP
Posted By: SSAAHemiFan
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/13/10 08:02 PM
That's a crime right there..
What a horrible feeling it must have been after getting excited about the possibility of finding your old car and discovering that.
Stewart , Love all your pic's please keep them coming !!!
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/18/10 10:30 PM
Posted By: Chris_R/T
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 01:22 AM
Damn, makes me want to build a clone, the Motown Missile cars were beautiful.
Posted By: David Hakim
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 01:31 AM
Here's a great video of the Missile at the 1972 NHRA Winternationals.
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBJ2_oQlIUQ
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 01:58 AM
David Hakim - contact me if you want any old photos, as you see from the posts featuring the Missiles - and Leal's Arrow, I have a few.
PM would work.
StewartP
Posted By: RemCharger
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 02:00 AM
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That's a crime right there..
What a horrible feeling it must have been after getting excited about the possibility of finding your old car and discovering that.
Stewart , Love all your pic's please keep them coming !!!
It needs to be restored regardless.... so at least its found? 
Very cool.
Whats with the lines coming out of the tires? Did she pump up at the end of the track?? 
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 10:06 AM
Those "lines" are much like speedometer cables, they measure the wheel speed of both the front and rear tire, to see if there is any wheel slippage "spinning"
The Missile crew was one of the first drag racers to use data acquisiton - they carried a 8track wire recorder to measure different functions. The data package, at that time weighed almost 100 pounds :-) versus today, the size of a small calculator.
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Posted By: moparbrown14
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 10:26 AM
wow 9.71 et 143mph and a 1.43 60 ft that 60 ft is for about a 10.90 car
Posted By: HEMIDARTS
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 02:41 PM
Stewart those guys were way ahead of there time!!!
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 02:58 PM
3000lbs, cluthflite, 60#flywheel, wrinklewall true 10.5" tire. 427ci motor.
Posted By: Chris_R/T
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 04:28 PM
Got any pics of the '72 Duster Missile by chance?
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 04:40 PM
Missile photo thread
Posted By: 52savoy
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 05:34 PM
Does the Mike Fons car count? I took this picture in 1972 at Dragway 42..AHRA GrandNationals?
I had a long conversation with Bob Marshall at that race. He had just switched from running a Hemi powered "Willys" gasser to a super/stock Dodge..
maybe my memory is getting bad..but he still had the gasser and was getting ready to switch
Posted By: 52savoy
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 06:14 PM
I know this is sorta unrelated but it is related in a personal way to me. While at the '73 NHRA Springnationals and watching Don Carlton mow down the Pro/Stock field, I got an emergency page from the timing tower to come to the tower. My dad had just passed away. June 10,1973
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 06:33 PM
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Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/19/10 07:13 PM
"sparky" or electro-cat - same person, Ron Kellen. The resident data guy.
He came over from Chrysler Huntsville and worked on stock cars and drag racing.
StewartP
Posted By: MisakiKagime
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 04/17/11 09:09 PM
WELL Now, you seem to know so much even though you haven't been NEAR it currently.
Yeah hi, I'm the daughter of the guy who owns it.
So look, apperently you don't know the whole bunch. Basically it was in a storage unit, untill thieves broke in and decided to steal parts and bits of the Missile. That's why it was beside our home for a long time, so we could safely guard it and make sure no more parts were stolen. Got it? Get it? Good.
Anymore questions and all you have to do is PM me.
I guess she told you!
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I guess she told you!
Took a while. 
I guess she had to think about exactly what she wanted to say. 
Tim
Posted By: Quicktree
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 04/17/11 09:42 PM
wow didn't take her long to get them panties in a wad
just when we were enjoying a little history
Posted By: Jeremiah
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 04/17/11 10:23 PM
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WELL Now, you seem to know so much even though you haven't been NEAR it currently.
Yeah hi, I'm the daughter of the guy who owns it.
So look, apperently you don't know the whole bunch. Basically it was in a storage unit, untill thieves broke in and decided to steal parts and bits of the Missile. That's why it was beside our home for a long time, so we could safely guard it and make sure no more parts were stolen. Got it? Get it? Good.
Anymore questions and all you have to do is PM me.
Get it out of the elements, sell it to someone that has the means to preserve/restore it, or shut up. Get it?
Posted By: Super Scamp
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 04/17/11 10:40 PM
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WELL Now, you seem to know so much even though you haven't been NEAR it currently.
Yeah hi, I'm the daughter of the guy who owns it.
So look, apperently you don't know the whole bunch. Basically it was in a storage unit, untill thieves broke in and decided to steal parts and bits of the Missile. That's why it was beside our home for a long time, so we could safely guard it and make sure no more parts were stolen. Got it? Get it? Good.
Anymore questions and all you have to do is PM me.
Get it out of the elements, sell it to someone that has the means to preserve/restore it, or shut up. Get it?
Well We all need to here the 
story on how,why,when and where. I was too enjoying the history channel here.. Keep it rolling...
Jenkins was undefeated in match racing at Atco for 2 years.
Until the Missile Challenger showed up, and took 3 straight.
Never seen Jenkins so ticked off.
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 04/18/11 02:14 PM
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wow didn't take her long to get them panties in a wad just when we were enjoying a little history
she failed to note that although it sat outside for protection from crooks it got little if any protection from the elements.
A simple explanation would have cleared up what she was upset about without the attititude and made some fans of the project. Now it will become a target if there's an incorrect screw on it. 
The only project that car will ever be is when they rake the remains out of the dirt it melted into!
But....now the ony one stealing parts off it is mother nature
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 04/19/11 03:08 AM
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The only project that car will ever be is when they rake the remains out of the dirt it melted into!
But....now the ony one stealing parts off it is mother nature
no it is finally in a shop for restoration
Posted By: DaKuda
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 04/19/11 04:24 AM
Yea...that was a GREAT idea. Since it was robbed of the "good" parts we should take it out of storage and put it outside in the elements where it will be safe in the yard. How is that working out for you guys, car looks GREAT by the way.....
Posted By: viperblue72
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 04/19/11 07:59 AM
At least they got it back from the thieves. It would be nice to hear more from the daughter or owner.
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 05/31/11 04:05 AM
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no it is finally in a shop for restoration
Would you happen to have any more updates on this thing because it would be nice to see if anymore progress has been done to it or see some recent shots of it, it sure was a great looking Cuda Pro-Stocker.
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 05/31/11 03:29 PM
What's with the white hack marks on the rear quarter (looks like two counts of 5)?
Posted By: Frito
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 05/31/11 03:42 PM
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3000lbs, cluthflite, 60#flywheel, wrinklewall true 10.5" tire. 427ci motor.
A lot of guys don't remember when DICK OLDFIELD was a fabricator and the driver. Here he is with Joe Pappas and Bales. I love talking to him at Indy each year.
Posted By: sixpakdodge
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 05/31/11 06:32 PM
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What's with the white hack marks on the rear quarter (looks like two counts of 5)?
If they were taking photo or video, I'm assuming this was so they could distinguish which run was which in said photos/video.
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 06/05/11 06:29 AM
I seen these photos below posted elsewhere on here:
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Also Stewart P, would you happen have anymore shots of the Missile Cuda from the past.
Posted By: nz383man
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 06/05/11 09:31 AM
Has anyone got any good engine bay photos they can post or PM to me?
I would love to see some as I'm building a early '70s dual plug Hemi Pro Stock style '70 Barracuda, Cheers
Why not try a more civil reply?
Posted By: HemidaveZ
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/17/11 03:19 PM
Sounds like they are going to restore it in there next life. What a shame.
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Why not try a more civil reply?
Hell the uncivil comments to my daughter weren't removed??!! So it's ok to attack a 16 year old girl??
Posted By: tboomer
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/17/11 03:45 PM
No it is not ok to attack a 16 year old girl...I will read the entire thread and remove any coments in that regard...There is no need for anyone on this board to make personal attacks on anyone..
Firstly.
Instead of being hostile to my daughter and being nice you could have asked her questions, but no, some of you had to be rude.
Secondly pictures of the car have been used without permission and we said nothing.
Third, YOU dont' know anything about our lives so who are you to judge?
Yeah, it's being restored...that car cost us, my daughter and I, over 15 years of our lives. Now, he won't even pay child support for her because his money goes to restore the car... I found Dick so we could get the car restored, begged him to restore it for over 10 years even got one of his friends to front some $$ for the restoration and paid out of my pocket Thousand's of dollars to buy toys, pictures, posters etc on that car and I walked away with nothing!
Happy NOW?
Posted By: B5 Bee
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/17/11 05:33 PM
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Firstly.
Instead of being hostile to my daughter and being nice you could have asked her questions, but no, some of you had to be rude.
Secondly pictures of the car have been used without permission and we said nothing.
Third, YOU dont' know anything about our lives so who are you to judge?
Yeah, it's being restored...that car cost us, my daughter and I, over 15 years of our lives. Now, he won't even pay child support for her because his money goes to restore the car... I found Dick so we could get the car restored, begged him to restore it for over 10 years even got one of his friends to front some $$ for the restoration and paid out of my pocket Thousand's of dollars to buy toys, pictures, posters etc on that car and I walked away with nothing!
Happy NOW?
Posted By: MCHBOB
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/17/11 05:37 PM
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Firstly.
Instead of being hostile to my daughter and being nice you could have asked her questions, but no, some of you had to be rude.
Secondly pictures of the car have been used without permission and we said nothing.
Third, YOU dont' know anything about our lives so who are you to judge?
Yeah, it's being restored...that car cost us, my daughter and I, over 15 years of our lives. Now, he won't even pay child support for her because his money goes to restore the car... I found Dick so we could get the car restored, begged him to restore it for over 10 years even got one of his friends to front some $$ for the restoration and paid out of my pocket Thousand's of dollars to buy toys, pictures, posters etc on that car and I walked away with nothing!
Happy NOW?
the money for the restoration is being fronted to you.So iam thinking this car will be for sale soon after finished????
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/17/11 05:51 PM
??? are there any trade mark conflicts with using the Motown Missile name ??
Posted By: MCHBOB
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/17/11 05:57 PM
ted spehar would know. Billy bodens stocker 1971 challenger Has Motown missle on it.But Ted and bill are close friends.
http://psimotorsports.com/photos
Posted By: chris3
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/17/11 06:21 PM
It appears that some, few, people got off on the wrong foot in this thread. First it is always good when one of the most historic drag race cars in the history of drag racing is located. A lot of them are in pretty bad shape when they are located. Many are left to just retire into history. Don Carlton and the Missle cars were a great part of Drag Racing History here in North Carolina.
Photographs of the Motown Missle are available in many locations both on and off the internet. I have several different photos from all of the tracks in North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia. Many people on this thread were interested in the fact that the car was found and the history involved with it. You owning the car and what it has gone trough, is part of the history of this car. These cars continue to make history for many years after the last time the original owner and driver drove it down the track. At the East Coast Drag Times Reunion in Henderson, NC every year there is a car or two there that has been found and the Owner wants to talk to old racer who can shed some light on the history of a car. It would be good if you could come on the MOPARTS site, and many other sites, and search all of the theads that have ever been posted and read the stories that are on these sites that make up the history of the famous Missle cars. There are posts here from the people who were responsible for the design, building and racing of the Missle cars.
Posted By: ro23car
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/18/11 02:49 AM
lemme get this right. some pepole are interested in the car and would like to see it back in its original condition. your daughter comes on here with an attitude,then you show up talking about a bum marriage and its our fault? this may have turned out differently if your daughters hostility was curbed in her first post
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Posted By: GTXX
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/18/11 04:03 AM
Posted By: viperblue72
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/18/11 08:08 AM
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Why not try a more civil reply?
How is my reply uncivil? I meant no disrespect. The only point I was making is that there's still hope for the car being you got it back and you keep replying in regards to my comment.
Posted By: viperblue72
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/18/11 08:31 AM
Sounds to me like the ex-husband got to keep his car
Seriously guys I am trying here as I tried for years to get that car to restoration. I know Dick Oldfield personally so as far as History is concerned I think I know a lot, plus he is going to the restoration place.. ( Paul's in Mississippi)...have met and gone to all the shows over the years and it was ME talking to the guys..Not my ex. He is incapable of having an intelligent convo with anyone..many of you have met him, you just dont know it cause he doesn't tell anyone about the car. He sent me over..
Why is he not on here? Well he wants to keep it all to himself. He won't be selling it. He is a hoarder he can't sell it.
He plans to take it to shows, museums, sell T-shirts etc
as far as the name is concerned,yes, it was bought by someone else, Mike Fons I think. But they are working on it.
I told you about what my daughter and I went through in regards to the divorce so you would see where she is coming from. She is a very hurt girl who's father won't even be a father to her. Not to mention she is 16 for crying out loud and all 16 year old girls are emotional.
See it from her and my perspective. This is a car we gave our heart and souls for and now we dont' even get to enjoy the restoration...that hurt more than leaving him.
We too are attached to it guys.
The photos that she refers to are the ones that Stewart posted of it in the back yard. They were not taken by him and we did not give permission for them to be posted.
The restoration is being video taped by time laps (sp) photography..they hope to make a documentary on it.
Yes it's is and will be a great car again.
Posted By: joshking440
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/18/11 02:15 PM
So, the ex-husband has ownership/possession of the car, we (the people of moparts) are talking about how great of a race car it was, and how sad it is if the car is still sitting outside, then we get attacked with these Jerry Springer type responses.....
No one is attacking you guys so chill out
Posted By: mloboda
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/18/11 02:30 PM
"I told you about what my daughter and I went through in regards to the divorce so you would see where she is coming from. She is a very hurt girl who's father won't even be a father to her. Not to mention she is 16 for crying out loud and all 16 year old girls are emotional."
Divorce is very hard on children and leaves a lifelong scar. I'm very sorry this happened to you and your daughter. Hopefully, seeing the Missile eventually restored will bring you some feelings of satisfaction as you know it would have never happened without your efforts and sacrifice.
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So, the ex-husband has ownership/possession of the car, we (the people of moparts) are talking about how great of a race car it was, and how sad it is if the car is still sitting outside, then we get attacked with these Jerry Springer type responses.....
No one is attacking you guys so chill out
HMMMM Jerry 'Springer huh..
So what about you guys, probably older men saying:
"wow didn't take her long to get them panties in a wad just when we were enjoying a little history"
Get it out of the elements, sell it to someone that has the means to preserve/restore it, or shut up. Get it?
"Yea...that was a GREAT idea. Since it was robbed of the "good" parts we should take it out of storage and put it outside in the elements where it will be safe in the yard. How is that working out for you guys, car looks GREAT by the way..... "
Like I said judging others..
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"I told you about what my daughter and I went through in regards to the divorce so you would see where she is coming from. She is a very hurt girl who's father won't even be a father to her. Not to mention she is 16 for crying out loud and all 16 year old girls are emotional."
Divorce is very hard on children and leaves a lifelong scar. I'm very sorry this happened to you and your daughter. Hopefully, seeing the Missile eventually restored will bring you some feelings of satisfaction as you know it would have never happened without your efforts and sacrifice.
Thank you. Your kind words mean a lot. I do too.
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/18/11 04:40 PM
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Instead of being hostile to my daughter and being nice you could have asked her questions, but no, some of you had to be rude.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that your daughters first response to this thread was what started the hostility. Click her name and look at her profile page , there is a question she had to answer to join this board , her response ... STUPID PEOPLE ...
Posted By: therocks
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/18/11 06:31 PM
I agree its a piece of history.Just hope it gets done so it wont rot away.Rocky
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/18/11 06:57 PM
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as far as the name is concerned,yes, it was bought by someone else, Mike Fons I think. But they are working on it.
sorry but your info is not even close on the above statement. Mike Fons made a deal to buy the name but never paid for it as agreed or ever had it trademarked. The trademark is currently owned by Arne Klan who owns the Missile Challenger.He has voiced to others his dissatisfaction of them using the name and sent legal notice regarding them to cease it's unauthorized use.
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/18/11 07:36 PM
That is correct, I did not take the pictures of the Missile Cuda in the back yard. But tell me who did take them and how did I get them ?
StewartP
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That is correct, I did not take the pictures of the Missile Cuda in the back yard. But tell me who did take them and how did I get them ?
StewartP
Dick Oldfield and I took them. He wanted them for "personal use".
So it is only logical to assume that he sent them to you.
@Hemi Fred..I have spoken to you. I didn't claim to know exactly what was going on with the name of the car..I said "I think"...
But as I do have a legal background it is very difficult to enforce the name thing on historical vehicles like this.
Arne is still pissed that he doesn't have the last one ( this one) so I suspect he will do what he can to stop it...
And I thought women were obsessed about their shoes...you guys really top it in regards to cars!
And I don't mean that in a nasty way!! 
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/19/11 06:35 AM
Sounds like she would fit right into the drivers seat of a brand new race car and beat up on some of you guys, so does anyone want to help build them a new race car to spank all of you Missile experts, lol.
Posted By: nz383man
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/19/11 07:39 AM
How much of the original car was left to restore?
Is it acceptable to "restore" a historic car with different mechanicals, panels etc?
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/19/11 09:25 AM
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How much of the original car was left to restore?
Is it acceptable to "restore" a historic car with different mechanicals, panels etc?
the problem is that there are no accepted rules or any line to be cross on a car being a restoration or recreation. I know of more than one "restored" cars that have a little as one original sheet metal part left when done.
Posted By: nz383man
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/19/11 10:31 AM
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How much of the original car was left to restore?
Is it acceptable to "restore" a historic car with different mechanicals, panels etc?
the problem is that there are no accepted rules or any line to be cross on a car being a restoration or recreation. I know of more than one "restored" cars that have a little as one original sheet metal part left when done.
So there could be more than 1 car made from the original, that would cause a fight
Years ago there were major problems with the likes of D-Type Jags, one guy gets a crashed body, repairs what he can, replaces what he can't repair then he gets a similar engine from a sedan but changes the carbs etc to look like the race version while another guy on the other side of town has a genuine set of mechanicals so he thinks he is within his rights to build a body around it so he has a genuine car as well. There were more "genuine original" cars at some shows than the total number made by the factory.
The Aussies have the same thing with Phase 3 GTHO Falcons, there are probably close to 4 times more about now than were originally made by Ford 
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So there could be more than 1 car made from the original, that would cause a fight
Years ago there were major problems with the likes of D-Type Jags, one guy gets a crashed body, repairs what he can, replaces what he can't repair then he gets a similar engine from a sedan but changes the carbs etc to look like the race version while another guy on the other side of town has a genuine set of mechanicals so he thinks he is within his rights to build a body around it so he has a genuine car as well. There were more "genuine original" cars at some shows than the total number made by the factory.
The Aussies have the same thing with Phase 3 GTHO Falcons, there are probably close to 4 times more about now than were originally made by Ford
I always thought that was the case here too in the states with '69 SS Camaros
Always seemed to be way more around than produced.
Posted By: Blusmbl
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/19/11 02:14 PM
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So there could be more than 1 car made from the original, that would cause a fight
That's the case with the Silver Bullet here in Detroit. One car is the original body, another car (built almost identically) has the original engine...
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/19/11 03:58 PM
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The Aussies have the same thing with Phase 3 GTHO Falcons, there are probably close to 4 times more about now than were originally made by Ford
I always thought that was the case here too in the states with '69 SS Camaros
Always seemed to be way more around than produced.
That would be 69 Z28's and 67 L88 vettes ...
Posted By: GomangoCuda
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/19/11 05:58 PM
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The Aussies have the same thing with Phase 3 GTHO Falcons, there are probably close to 4 times more about now than were originally made by Ford
I always thought that was the case here too in the states with '69 SS Camaros
Always seemed to be way more around than produced.
That would be 69 Z28's and 67 L88 vettes ...
I bet Chevrolet sold at least 100 times as many Camaro Cowl induction hoods over the counter as they used on the assembly line. Used to be able to buy them for less than $100 over the counter. All of my Chevy buddies had them on their Camaros. And Z28 emblems? don't even go there.
Sorry, guess we got way off topic. Please continue the
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/19/11 07:34 PM
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So there could be more than 1 car made from the original, that would cause a fight
That's the case with the Silver Bullet here in Detroit. One car is the original body, another car (built almost identically) has the original engine...
I see no conflict there one "IS" the car the other is not. The motor has no bearing
Posted By: hemicop
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/19/11 08:06 PM
....... ANY car can have ANY engine. The CAR is what made the legend!
Posted By: nz383man
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/19/11 08:54 PM
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So there could be more than 1 car made from the original, that would cause a fight
That's the case with the Silver Bullet here in Detroit. One car is the original body, another car (built almost identically) has the original engine...
I see no conflict there one "IS" the car the other is not. The motor has no bearing
I'm not doubting the car we are talking about is the real Motown car at all & like everyone else here I would like to see it back in it's original as raced condition some day soon but I was trying to get your opinions on how much of a car you need to do a full restoration. I don't really get the whole "re-body" thing, once you have re-bodied a car I think it is not the same car anymore. I hear of so many cars (especially convertables) that get "restored" buy replacing most of the panels, glass fittings etc from a one owner low mile 6 or 318 car, so is the convertable still "factory original after that?
Some of these old race cars have a hard life & were left in quite a state before they were saved from the crusher (thankfully!) & now there are some show examples that look way better than they ever did, with some even looking tidier than the Sox & Martin cars did in their day & man they were (and still are) some of the neatest looking cars ever to race.
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/19/11 09:35 PM
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So there could be more than 1 car made from the original, that would cause a fight
That's the case with the Silver Bullet here in Detroit. One car is the original body, another car (built almost identically) has the original engine...
I see no conflict there one "IS" the car the other is not. The motor has no bearing
Don't tell that to the owner of the one that is NOT 
From what I have heard from Dick, Joe etc...the missile changed parts even between races so it will be difficult to really get it to "original" what they hope to do is get it as close as possible and with Dick helping out and all the data he has in his possession about the car I think it will be close..
here is a link to where the car is being restored..
http://www.paulcompanies.com/apps/forums/topics/show/3676497-motown-missile?page=lastWhen Dick saw the car after it was cleaned up he was impressed that the condition of it wasn't as bad as they thought originally.
Also the inside is pretty much not changed. The steering wheel is the original one that Don Carlton touched... it was kinda neat to touch it knowing that...
I wanted to be a race car driver...was a chauffeur in Europe for many years and my nickname was "Cha Cha"..
I have pics of it in my other computer and have given them to the ex for historical purposes..
i really want to see it restored too
Looks like ti night be in Amelia Island for a show...
Posted By: hemiparts
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/20/11 03:50 AM
i don't think anyone here as any ill feelings towards anyone. I think that anybody signed on to a race forum all have the same desire that is to see a piece of racing history saved to fight another day. Really guys we don't know anything about the situation involving the car that is a private family matter. I think if anything we should encourage her to finish it and be of as much assistance as possible. Because in the end it's still her car and if she choses to say to hell with the project and send it to the crusher guess what its GONE..
Chris
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/20/11 04:05 AM
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Has anyone got any good engine bay photos they can post or PM to me? I would love to see some as I'm building a early '70s dual plug Hemi Pro Stock style '70 Barracuda, Cheers
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/20/11 04:15 AM
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/20/11 04:45 AM
Some great photo's posted of the trip down and the starting of the restoration on the car. But I was wondering why did you decided to get it done so far away, wasn't there a shop closer to you to do the work. I sure hope everything turns out good for everyone in your family, and thanks again for the link.
'72 Motown Missile Cuda.
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/20/11 04:50 AM
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I'm not doubting the car we are talking about is the real Motown car at all & like everyone else here I would like to see it back in it's original as raced condition some day soon but I was trying to get your opinions on how much of a car you need to do a full restoration. I don't really get the whole "re-body" thing, once you have re-bodied a car I think it is not the same car anymore. I hear of so many cars (especially convertables) that get "restored" buy replacing most of the panels, glass fittings etc from a one owner low mile 6 or 318 car, so is the convertable still "factory original after that?
Some of these old race cars have a hard life & were left in quite a state before they were saved from the crusher (thankfully!) & now there are some show examples that look way better than they ever did, with some even looking tidier than the Sox & Martin cars did in their day & man they were (and still are) some of the neatest looking cars ever to race.
Do yourself a favor and let it go for you own sanity...you'll go nuts thinking this hard about it. The topic of re-bodied cars has surfaced time to time for years on the general Moparts board particularly when Barrett Jackson is up and running. It's been debated till there's no tomorrow and there's little twists state to state that could be interpreted differently. After the acid dipping and unoticable modifications to the untrained eye , these cars were kind of "re-bodied" anyway by the time they hit the track So kick back and enjoy the ride! 
Posted By: hemiparts
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/20/11 05:33 AM
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I'm not doubting the car we are talking about is the real Motown car at all & like everyone else here I would like to see it back in it's original as raced condition some day soon but I was trying to get your opinions on how much of a car you need to do a full restoration. I don't really get the whole "re-body" thing, once you have re-bodied a car I think it is not the same car anymore. I hear of so many cars (especially convertables) that get "restored" buy replacing most of the panels, glass fittings etc from a one owner low mile 6 or 318 car, so is the convertable still "factory original after that?
Some of these old race cars have a hard life & were left in quite a state before they were saved from the crusher (thankfully!) & now there are some show examples that look way better than they ever did, with some even looking tidier than the Sox & Martin cars did in their day & man they were (and still are) some of the neatest looking cars ever to race.
Do yourself a favor and let it go for you own sanity...you'll go nuts thinking this hard about it. The topic of re-bodied cars has surfaced time to time for years on the general Moparts board particularly when Barrett Jackson is up and running. It's been debated till there's no tomorrow and there's little twists state to state that could be interpreted differently. After the acid dipping and unoticable modifications to the untrained eye , these cars were kind of "re-bodied" anyway by the time they hit the track So kick back and enjoy the ride!
Hey Bill here's even more of a mind twister.. It's been written that a lot of top teams re-bodied their favorite chassis from year to year to keep the newest model on the track, lets say you were digging around Burlington or Lenior NC and happened upon a S&M or Missile body in a barn. You take it home slap it on a Cuda race car a drop in a Hemi. What does that make it ??? Clone?? Keep in mind it an original as raced body. recreation??? 
Posted By: nz383man
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/20/11 10:07 AM
"So kick back and enjoy the ride!"
I sure will
I will be following the resto with great interest.
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/20/11 11:45 AM
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Hey Bill here's even more of a mind twister.. It's been written that a lot of top teams re-bodied their favorite chassis from year to year to keep the newest model on the track, lets say you were digging around Burlington or Lenior NC and happened upon a S&M or Missile body in a barn. You take it home slap it on a Cuda race car a drop in a Hemi. What does that make it ??? Clone?? Keep in mind it an original as raced body. recreation???
I figure about 10 - 15% of the populous are purist and would argue the originality of such a modification and deem it unthinkable while the other 85 - 90% of the populous would be thankful to see the car revived regardless of how that was accomplished! Disclaimer: These stats are neither proven nor factual, they are based entirely on personal opinion 
A good example of this today is Prudhomme's restoration of Goose's ramp truck; there are some who pick it apart for minor inaccuracies, while many are in awe simply to see the Hot Wheel trucks & funny cars brought back to reality.
On a side note, it's awesome having a glimpse back in time to the factory invovlement with the missle cars and realizing how important these cars were then and how important they remain even to this day. 
Posted By: deaks
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/20/11 03:32 PM
Was the 72 missile acid dipped?.
Mick
Posted By: Locomotion
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/20/11 04:51 PM
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Hey Bill here's even more of a mind twister.. It's been written that a lot of top teams re-bodied their favorite chassis from year to year to keep the newest model on the track, lets say you were digging around Burlington or Lenior NC and happened upon a S&M or Missile body in a barn. You take it home slap it on a Cuda race car a drop in a Hemi. What does that make it ??? Clone?? Keep in mind it an original as raced body. recreation???
That's exactly what was done with the original Motown Missile Challenger when they converted it from a '70 to a '71. I'm pretty sure they did the same with the first Mopar Missile Duster, which started as a '72. The team didn't have the 'cuda long enough because of the switch from an E-body to an A-body.
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 12:33 AM
Acid dipping:
Good article here on the Mopar Missle; not sure about the 72 Missle and acid dipping... Let's yield to the historian: Stewart
Mopar Missle
I have not been keeping up with the posts on Moparts much lately but this one is very near and dear to my heart.
First to answer Bill's question, the Cuda Missile was acid dipped.
From the photos's that were taken back when the car was in Canada, it "appeared" that the car was in rough shape. While that may be true, per my conversations with Oldfield after he went to Paul's to see the car a few months ago, Dickie told me the car was not as bad as he originally thought. There is no doubt that the restoration process will require a massive amount of work but it is certainly restoreable and from all indications it is in good hands for that process to happen.
The restoration will not happen overnight and the folks at Paul's have a ton of work to do but given enough time and money it will happen.
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Good article here on the Mopar Missle; not sure about the 72 Missle and acid dipping... Let's yield to the historian: Stewart
Mopar Missle
I'm pretty sure it was Acid Dipped... Dick is the best one to comment on this... I'll ask to confirm.
It was taken to Paul's in MS for a couple reasons... 1 the investor has experience with Paul and was satisfied with the results. Paul has a good rep and was interested in doing the restoration...it will take up a lot of his time too.
2...to avoid the costs in Canada... it prob won't be coming back here tho as Customs would have a fit in charging costs...paper wise it made sense.
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 02:18 AM
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MOPAR MISSILE
Posted By: hemiparts
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 03:20 AM
Posted By: dannysbee
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 03:48 AM
I wonder which popular rock group was wearing their belts buckled to one side?
I know I had me some of those Beatle boots.
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 04:00 AM
Joe. Thanks for visiting the board. Always good to see your posts, Stewarts, etc. and afford us the opportunity to interact with the Mopar Pro Stock pioneers.
As for the belts parked sideways, suspect you guys didn't want to scratch that black paint huh!
And thanks to the crew that's restoring the car. It's awesome seeing these cars coming back to life one by one. It's slow, it's ardeous, it's expensive, it's burdensome, but it's well worth the wait
Posted By: hemiparts
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 04:32 AM
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Joe. Thanks for visiting the board. Always good to see your posts, Stewarts, etc. and afford us the opportunity to interact with the Mopar Pro Stock pioneers.
As for the belts parked sideways, suspect you guys didn't want to scratch that black paint huh!
And thanks to the crew that's restoring the car. It's awesome seeing these cars coming back to life one by one. It's slow, it's ardeous, it's expensive, it's burdensome, but it's well worth the wait
Posted By: nz383man
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 08:35 AM
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Joe. Thanks for visiting the board. Always good to see your posts, Stewarts, etc. and afford us the opportunity to interact with the Mopar Pro Stock pioneers.
As for the belts parked sideways, suspect you guys didn't want to scratch that black paint huh!
And thanks to the crew that's restoring the car. It's awesome seeing these cars coming back to life one by one. It's slow, it's ardeous, it's expensive, it's burdensome, but it's well worth the wait
Down under where I live there is very little chance of running into the guys like Joe & Dick so I didn't expect guys that did so much for the sport 40 years ago to be involved in the same thread as us.
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 10:58 AM
Joe, Dick, Ghost, Al, Ronnie, Mr. Hoover, Lenny, Teddy, and all people associated with the care and feeding of the Missile Cars, are examples of the dedication and love for the sport of drag racing and Mopar, and truly nice humble people. Keep the History Alive.
Posted By: nz383man
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 12:14 PM
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Joe, Dick, Ghost, Al, Ronnie, Mr. Hoover, Lenny, Teddy, and all people associated with the care and feeding of the Missile Cars, are examples of the dedication and love for the sport of drag racing and Mopar, and truly nice humble people. Keep the History Alive.
They sure increased my love of old Mopars
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 01:05 PM
CEMA Show
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 01:12 PM
another picture from Hot Rod Magazine
Posted By: deaks
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 02:13 PM
Excuse my ignorance Stewart but could you fill us in on all the names in the pic, i presume the middle two are Joe and Dick but not sure about the others. I have also got that issue of hot rod, i might dig it out later for a peruse.
Thanks Mick
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Good article here on the Mopar Missle; not sure about the 72 Missle and acid dipping... Let's yield to the historian: Stewart
Mopar Missle
I'm pretty sure it was Acid Dipped... Dick is the best one to comment on this... I'll ask to confirm.
It was taken to Paul's in MS for a couple reasons... 1 the investor has experience with Paul and was satisfied with the results. Paul has a good rep and was interested in doing the restoration...it will take up a lot of his time too.
2...to avoid the costs in Canada... it prob won't be coming back here tho as Customs would have a fit in charging costs...paper wise it made sense.
So I sent Dick a message and he tells me it wasn't acid dipped!!
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 04:31 PM
Mick:
Thanks for the clarification on the acid dipping from Dick O. I was wrong in my assumption that it had been dipped. When I helped Fons build his Challenger, it was most definitely dipped (we built it in the winter of 1970-71)so I made an assumption. Well I bow to my old partner on the '72 car. But hey, we are all getting old and that was 39 years ago. Heck, I don't remember what I just had for lunch 30 minutes ago!!!!
Posted By: liteweight
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 04:44 PM
Subscribed. This is truly one of the great ones being brought back to it's former glory!!!! When it's done, what's the chance of it making a couple passes with -----maybe Oldfield beind the wheel?
liteweight
ps Hi Stewart
Posted By: deaks
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 09:27 PM
Thanks Stewart but i actually meant the more recent picture.
regards Mick
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 09:55 PM
This one -- and Hi to my Canadian Friends.
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/21/11 11:01 PM
Here's an older article about the
Missile race cars and the rest of the team.
Hi Guys,
Was on the phone with Dick yesterday...damn I miss him!
Anyway, he was telling me that there will be an article about the missile with pics of it in it's current condition.. Hot Rod Magazine ran the original article ( if memory serves me right) and is now following the restoration.
I don't know exactly when it's coming out but thought I would give you all a heads up.
I hear they are still working on the wire car in California.
Posted By: Locomotion
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/22/11 10:57 PM
Are they re-doing th wire car?
There was an article about it several years ago after it was restored...pretty sure it was all painted up with Don Carlton's name on it instead Mopar Missile. 1,880 lbs, W-2 small block, lots of titanium, etc.
Posted By: LSP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/22/11 11:26 PM
My all time fav Mopar pro stock. Hope it get's the resto it deserves - iron dual plug 426, 4 speed, etc.
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/22/11 11:37 PM
Not to hi-jack this thread - but
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/23/11 12:36 AM
....but continued
Wire Car Article Think of it as Missle filler material in between updates on the 72!
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/23/11 02:15 AM
So when are some of the old Missile guys going get together with some of the younger whipper-snappers and teach them a few new tricks. It sure would be nice to see somemore old & new Missile race cars in super-stock and in the pro-stock ranks again.
Posted By: deaks
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/23/11 10:02 AM
Stewart
Was the wire car ever used in anger and if so what did it run.
Mick
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/23/11 12:21 PM
Mick, I do not think the wire car was ever "used in anger", at that time there were numerous issues with the blocks and heads. I believe that the yellow test car was converted into a Hemi car later.
StewartP
Posted By: Frito
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/23/11 03:59 PM
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??? are there any trade mark conflicts with using the Motown Missile name ??
I guess not! Or he beat someone to it.
I heard that Arnie Klann has a newer Motown Missile running in NHRA Don't know if that is the car or not.
Dick was working on the wire car...don't know what stage it is at right now.He mentioned that they were doing work on it and he would be there at some point...
I am a bit out of the loop...
Posted By: Blusmbl
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/25/11 05:20 PM
That's Mike Wagner's Challenger being run in NHRA super stock. He posted build pictures here awhile ago.
http://www.streetlegaltv.com/forum/motown-missile-name-revived-10-drag-5851.html
Posted By: hemiparts
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/25/11 05:40 PM
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I heard that Arnie Klann has a newer Motown Missile running in NHRA Don't know if that is the car or not.
Dick was working on the wire car...don't know what stage it is at right now.He mentioned that they were doing work on it and he would be there at some point...
I am a bit out of the loop...
I think the car your speaking of is the Neon that is son Richard drove in the PSCA ( Pacfic Street Car Assoc )
Posted By: nz383man
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/25/11 08:14 PM
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another picture from Hot Rod Magazine
Can someone tell me which issue please, I thought I did have a copy but can't find it.
Also what is on the front cover? I thought it was the pic of all the guys around the Motown car but not sure.
Thanks
Posted By: nz383man
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/26/11 11:17 AM
Posted By: sixpakdodge
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/26/11 08:45 PM
Yes, that's it!
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Is this the Motown car before it changed to it's present colors?
Beatty and Woods owned the missile after it was the Motown Missile. I spoke to him a couple years ago...he sold it to Mark, my ex, it was called the Isostatic Rebound then. He regrets selling it now but who knew all these old fella cars would come back in a big way?
Nice to see the pics as I asked him for some at the time and we never did get any.. I will email them to Dick if you don't mind. I'm sure he would love to see them!
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another picture from Hot Rod Magazine
Can someone tell me which issue please, I thought I did have a copy but can't find it.
Also what is on the front cover? I thought it was the pic of all the guys around the Motown car but not sure.
Thanks
January 1972
Here's a pic of it.
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/28/11 04:26 AM
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/28/11 04:30 AM
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/28/11 04:33 AM
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/28/11 04:35 AM
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/28/11 04:36 AM
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/28/11 04:36 AM
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Posted By: Troy
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/31/11 05:55 AM
....this has been some very cool reading!! Thanks everybody!!
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/31/11 12:36 PM
If you were a kid building models in the 70's undoubtedly the Missle was on the "must have" list!
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/31/11 12:40 PM
Posted By: therocks
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/31/11 01:12 PM
I wonder what ever happened to my favorite car.It was the 65 Plymouth Melrose Missle.I still have some pics of it somewhere that I had from 65 66.Rocky
Posted By: hemiparts
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/31/11 06:52 PM
checkout Reeds Performance I think you'll find the car your looking for.
Posted By: cudaboy
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/31/11 08:07 PM
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/31/11 09:22 PM
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I wonder what ever happened to my favorite car.It was the 65 Plymouth Melrose Missle.I still have some pics of it somewhere that I had from 65 66.Rocky
a different Missile
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/31/11 09:22 PM
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/31/11 09:23 PM
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Posted By: topside
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/31/11 11:17 PM
Missile VII is alive & well in NW WA State; it's been largely re-bodied as the acid-dipping coupled with hundreds of passes left the structure in bad shape. Cecil dismantled it & saved most all the parts. It's painted, about half-assembled, and the motor & trans are slowly going back together. We still have the wiring, plumbing, interior, and a bunch of details to finish. He has a lot of balls in the air and several projects underway, so it's been agonizingly slow. Here's a pic. Any further discussion should be on another thread rather than derail the MM thread.
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 07/31/11 11:41 PM
plus two others in Maryland unrestored
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/01/11 03:05 AM
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plus two others in Maryland unrestored
Fred, which two unrestored cars, what years are they.
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/01/11 03:10 AM
Posted By: Slap Shot
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/01/11 04:03 AM
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plus two others in Maryland unrestored
Fred, which two unrestored cars, what years are they.
both 1964 Plymouth Melrose Missile cars the hardtop and the sedan are in Maryland
Posted By: igo1320
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/06/11 04:01 AM
I have some history with this car. I use to work for Beatty and Woods when I was in high school. One of my jobs was to wash and wax the race car.
When it had to be taken off the trailer and pushed into the shop I got steer the car. Also, when we went to Cayuga or St. Thomas I got to be towed around in the pits and into the staging lanes. It was quite a thrill especialy when you are a teenager.
I remember helping Curley, who was the man responsible for building the engines and maintaining the car. I do not remember Curleys last name. He was kind of a crotchety guy but for some reason he took a liking to me.
They said that the car used to be the Motown Missle,but at the time I did not know if this true or if they were just jerking my chain.
Whatever it was at the time it did not matter because the only thing I knew was that it was a way cool car.
Now that I have seen the old pictures from Cayuga I realize the this car was indeed the Motown Missile.
I did have to laugh when I saw the picture of the car on the trailer.
I was told to move the parts truck and ran into the left front fender on the trailer.I can see the tweak in the fender. I could have been at the track that very day.
I ran into Chuck Beatty a few years ago and one of the first questions I asked him was "where is my 'cuda" He shook his head and said "sorry kid we sold it quite a while back" Kid....still cracks me up.
Anyways He also told me that Mike Woods passed away.He was a great guy.
It is great that the car has been saved. I do feel a connection to this car.
If you are curious,yes I still race. I guess this car had a big impact on me.
Can't wait till it gets done...Thanks for the memories
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/06/11 11:42 AM
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I have some history with this car. I use to work for Beatty and Woods when I was in high school. One of my jobs was to wash and wax the race car.
When it had to be taken off the trailer and pushed into the shop I got steer the car. Also, when we went to Cayuga or St. Thomas I got to be towed around in the pits and into the staging lanes. It was quite a thrill especialy when you are a teenager........
Cool story..thanks for sharing it
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/08/11 01:27 AM
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/08/11 01:31 AM
Is that Kevin's car ??
Posted By: mopacltd
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/08/11 02:00 AM
Hey Stewart. Does the name Bob Kennedy ring a bell?
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/08/11 03:07 AM
Bob Kennedy ?? getting old, but I do not think I have heard of him, but ??
stewartP
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yes
Posted By: sixpackjeff
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/08/11 04:16 PM
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Is that Kevin's car ??
Stewart
Yes. I took that photo at the 1976 or 77 Springnationals in Columbus. It was run by a team that owned a junkyard in Toledo. It was later renemed the BBQ Man and became a bracket racer with a BBC in it. I could have bought the car cheap in the late eighties. It wa never a million $ car though.
RIP Kevin 
Posted By: Scamp451
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/08/11 04:23 PM
I have an old 1/24 scale model of this car that may dad gave me. He started working on it in the mid 70's then boxed it back up and put it away. Doubt it is worth anything, but I still have it.
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/09/11 03:55 AM
Posted By: StewartP
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/09/11 02:10 PM
That is Mike Ricketts's car - was built by Don Carlton and Clyde Hodges for a customer.
StewartP
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/10/11 12:52 AM
A 77 Dodge Aspen has never looked so good!
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/10/11 08:08 AM
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That is Mike Ricketts's car - was built by Don Carlton and Clyde Hodges for a customer.
StewartP
the customer was Ed Lukas a Philly guy who when he moved to Orlando took the car along. It stayed in a garage unfinished for well over 25 years before Ed sold it
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A 77 Dodge Aspen has never looked so good
It was always advertised as a Volare
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/10/11 12:04 PM
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It was always advertised as a Volare
Fred, are you saying it's a Volare? Or that it's an Aspen advertised as a Volare?
Honestly I'm not sure which. What led me down the path of Aspen is the parking lights. I think there were some picts of the car on the board some time back with a blue/red back half and different color front clip....Heinz 57?
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/10/11 12:24 PM
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Hey I was at that reunion!! I suppose most of us were... I met Stewart there and most of the gang for the cuda were there!!
It was a good weekend!
I have tons of pics...need to post them at some point somewhere...
ok...i like to search the internet for anything Motown Missile related and I came upon this little link...
http://www.justgiving.com/TheMotownMissile-TheSupremeslol
too funny....
Posted By: mr_340
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/25/11 01:34 AM
I think that is Stewart, second from the right!
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 08/25/11 02:19 AM
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Fred, are you saying it's a Volare? Or that it's an Aspen advertised as a Volare?
I met Ed Lukas back around 2000. From what I remember the ad I saw for the car said Volare.In primer Hemi running a lenco 14,000.00
Ed would not let me have it checked for chassis certification. Knowing what to expect from Donny as tubing wall thickness so I passed. I did buy the last load of hemi items from Ed which includued his nut and bolt collection
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/10/13 04:08 PM
Any progress on this project???????????????
Posted By: Locomotion
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/10/13 05:15 PM
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Any progress on this project???????????????
There is some info here and it appears the car was at this event last year, but not finished. I wish I could have been there. 
East Coast Drag Times Hall of Fame
ClassRacer.com discussion about the event.
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/10/13 09:50 PM
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Any progress on this project???????????????
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The body is very close to painting . I have just finished the front brake assemblies and now working on making the carb linkage. We intend to have it finished and be at the Hendersen event in October. All the missing parts have been located
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/10/13 10:20 PM
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Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/11/13 01:55 AM
Fred,
I don't find my way on here as much anymore....do you own the Missle now or on board helping out with restoration?
Seem to recall there was some challanges getting the restoration going a year or two ago.
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/11/13 08:38 AM
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Fred,
I don't find my way on here as much anymore....do you own the Missle now or on board helping out with restoration?
Seem to recall there was some challanges getting the restoration going a year or two ago.
no the car is still owned by the party from Canada along with a friend of his.
Initially I was contaced to supply some parts which has developed in me being much more involved.
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/11/13 08:42 AM
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Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/12/13 01:55 AM
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Fred,
I don't find my way on here as much anymore....do you own the Missle now or on board helping out with restoration?
Seem to recall there was some challanges getting the restoration going a year or two ago.
no the car is still owned by the party from Canada along with a friend of his.
Initially I was contaced to supply some parts which has developed in me being much more involved.
So glad the car was pulled from it's resting spot. Great to see progress as its simply too important a car.
Posted By: B Dartman
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/13/13 02:43 AM
Tear down video...
Missle Tear Down
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/13/13 04:11 AM
Very cool vid!
My hat's off to the editor
Posted By: nz383man
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/13/13 05:30 AM
Great job
and thanks for sharing.
Posted By: RV2
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/13/13 12:53 PM
Are all the Missile/Carlton cars accounted for?
Posted By: nz383man
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 03/13/13 07:32 PM
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Are all the Missile/Carlton cars accounted for?
From what I have been told there are some "backup" cars out there as well, acid dipped & set up very close to the "race" cars. They were used for testing etc & were all but ready to go if the race car got wrecked during the season.
There is no way I could ever afford to own one of the race cars but a backup car would be a cool thing to own and I do have a verified Carlton Hemi to put in it.
Posted By: Qwik426
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 04/15/13 08:17 PM
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Stewart those guys were way ahead of there time!!!
Multiply that x 10.
Posted By: Qwik426
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 04/15/13 08:24 PM
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wow 9.71 et 143mph and a 1.43 60 ft that 60 ft is for about a 10.90 car
I guarantee you that 10.90 car, if you could transport it back in time, would NOT 60 ft. in 1.43 seconds given the tire technology of the day, lack of concrete starting line with loads of VHT (or similar traction compound) sprayed all over it as is standard practice today. No way. That 1.43 60 ft. time was damn good for its time.
Posted By: Qwik426
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 04/15/13 09:21 PM
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Was the 72 missile acid dipped?.
Mick
Apparantly not. Very unusual.
Posted By: cudasteve68
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 04/16/13 05:07 PM
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wow 9.71 et 143mph and a 1.43 60 ft that 60 ft is for about a 10.90 car
I guarantee you that 10.90 car, if you could transport it back in time, would NOT 60 ft. in 1.43 seconds given the tire technology of the day, lack of concrete starting line with loads of VHT (or similar traction compound) sprayed all over it as is standard practice today. No way. That 1.43 60 ft. time was damn good for its time.
Guess my 10.40 car is a big old turd. Best pass ever 10.27 with 1.43 60'
I would say a 1.43 back then was pretty darn good.
Posted By: tubtar
Re: 72 Missile Cuda - 04/16/13 05:45 PM
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I wonder which popular rock group was wearing their belts buckled to one side? I know I had me some of those Beatle boots.
Just the ones who didn't want to scratch the back of their guitars.
I am pretty sure that is where the practice came from , but I had a neighbor who also incorporated it into his lawn care routine.
Man , I love threads like this.
I did have the model and saw a lot of the magazines when they came out.
American history at its finest.
