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Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!!

Posted By: SmokeyBurnout 67

Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/03/10 09:37 PM

I am sorry to bring this up again, I know we already touched base on this subject once before...
I have an 06 4x4 Dodge Cummins dually, we currently tow our 28ft aluminum enclosed trailer with the 67 Coronet in it and about 1500pds cargo weight including our electric golf cart. We registered our truck at a CLASS 4 which is fine for hauling but we are planning on adding a truck camper or upgrading to a living quarters trailer. I thought a class five would get it done but PA required further info regarding our outfit before allowing us to upgrade. After we gave them the info, they told us we need to register as a CLASS 8!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME? This is ridiculous. We are punished because our truck is capable of towing 24K? I tried to get on Penn Dot's site to confirm the classification weights but we cannot seem to find exact answers. Your input would be much appreciated.

BGR- what did you end up registering your outfit at? You still have the dually and fifth wheel, right?

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Posted By: SmokeyBurnout 67

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/03/10 10:23 PM

Great info HEMI FRED! I tried to Google but I must not have had the magic phrase. Thank you sir!
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/03/10 11:04 PM

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I am sorry to bring this up again, I know we already touched base on this subject once before...
I have an 06 4x4 Dodge Cummins dually, we currently tow our 28ft aluminum enclosed trailer with the 67 Coronet in it and about 1500pds cargo weight including our electric golf cart. We registered our truck at a CLASS 4 which is fine for hauling but we are planning on adding a truck camper or upgrading to a living quarters trailer. I thought a class five would get it done but PA required further info regarding our outfit before allowing us to upgrade. After we gave them the info, they told us we need to register as a CLASS 8!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME? This is ridiculous. We are punished because our truck is capable of towing 24K? I tried to get on Penn Dot's site to confirm the classification weights but we cannot seem to find exact answers. Your input would be much appreciated.

BGR- what did you end up registering your outfit at? You still have the dually and fifth wheel, right?





Kara,we ended up registering our daully at class-8 with the max registered gross vehicle combination weight allowable for our truck base on the factory specs at 21,200.We fall under CDL state and federal regulations since our trailer gross is over 10,000 and is a triaxle and is mandatory for state inspection every 6 months.
Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/03/10 11:20 PM

Holy cow! How much does that cost?
Posted By: SmokeyBurnout 67

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/03/10 11:30 PM

UGH! Thanks Bob, I was afraid you were going to say that. We are on the fence, if we add the camper I say we bump to a Class 6 but if we decide to go with a living quarter fifth wheel it will be a triaxle and we will be identical to you. ARG! Darn PA laws! Thank you for the helpful info Bob.
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/03/10 11:43 PM

Ohio would be happy to have ya




Posted By: B G Racing

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/03/10 11:52 PM

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Holy cow! How much does that cost? [/qu

About $430 per year for the truck plates.
Posted By: jcc

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/04/10 12:44 AM

Curious, is your rig considered commercial?
Posted By: 408strokerdart

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/04/10 01:39 AM

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About $430 per year for the truck plates.



Wow! I thought Texas was expensive. I wonder what PA does with all of that cash.....some of the worse roads I have ever driven on and I have driven in most of the states.
Posted By: Jeremiah

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/04/10 02:03 AM

Do they say "yins" allot? Perhaps they need all of those registration dollars to keep the Amish kids off of crank?



$430/year for a hobby trailer is nuts!!!
Posted By: joesnow

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/04/10 02:05 AM

Question then. Could a friend of mine use his Dodge w350 4x4 dually and 33' fifth wheel to take his CDL class A if he registers it up to another class? I know it doesn't have airbrake endorsment then.
Thanks.
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Posted By: 67Charger

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/04/10 03:40 AM

I don't want to hear your bellyachin'. My '03 F-350 diesel crew cab has a 11,500 GVW and is $516 for regular plates. Around these parts it's all actual vehicle weight fees. My registration is $435 weight of the truck and $81 other stuff. Doesn't matter if it is used for work, comuting or decoration, it's considered commercial because it can haul stuff.

...and it keeps going UP every year with the retards in Sacramento needing new ways to balance their screwed up budget. It was $430 last year.
Posted By: moparguy7074

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/04/10 09:42 AM

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I don't want to hear your bellyachin'. My '03 F-350 diesel crew cab has a 11,500 GVW and is $516 for regular plates. Around these parts it's all actual vehicle weight fees. My registration is $435 weight of the truck and $81 other stuff. Doesn't matter if it is used for work, comuting or decoration, it's considered commercial because it can haul stuff.

...and it keeps going UP every year with the retards in Sacramento needing new ways to balance their screwed up budget. It was $430 last year.



WOW! And I thought the $103.50 I just paid yesterday was bad for mine. That was with a $20 late fee also.
Posted By: 70HemiGTX

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/04/10 09:48 AM

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I am sorry to bring this up again, I know we already touched base on this subject once before...
I have an 06 4x4 Dodge Cummins dually, we currently tow our 28ft aluminum enclosed trailer with the 67 Coronet in it and about 1500pds cargo weight including our electric golf cart. We registered our truck at a CLASS 4 which is fine for hauling but we are planning on adding a truck camper or upgrading to a living quarters trailer. I thought a class five would get it done but PA required further info regarding our outfit before allowing us to upgrade. After we gave them the info, they told us we need to register as a CLASS 8!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME? This is ridiculous. We are punished because our truck is capable of towing 24K? I tried to get on Penn Dot's site to confirm the classification weights but we cannot seem to find exact answers. Your input would be much appreciated.

BGR- what did you end up registering your outfit at? You still have the dually and fifth wheel, right?





Kara,we ended up registering our daully at class-8 with the max registered gross vehicle combination weight allowable for our truck base on the factory specs at 21,200.We fall under CDL state and federal regulations since our trailer gross is over 10,000 and is a triaxle and is mandatory for state inspection every 6 months.



BG What is your combination weight? I have my dually registered for a combo of 22,900 and the trailer's GWR is 12,000. I talked to the State Police and they said no CDL required to stay within the state. (I realize you travel outside the state lines.) Bad part is laws are interpreted differently from person to person and trooper to trooper. I really should just go get my CDL and then I could drive what-ever, where-ever. When I reregistered our truck, Penndot never sent me a new weight class sticker for the windshield so the old #4 is still there.
Posted By: therocks

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/04/10 12:47 PM

Mopar guy that 20 late fee is a joke isnt it.Ive registered the 65 and my 58 Harley late as I only get 6 months for plates.On the HD thats as much as the plates.I went antique on the 65 last year and wilkl probally do the same with the HD this year.Their excuse for it.We have to funt the State Patrol.Study they did a few years ago.Ohio population wnet down by a ton.But guess what public employees went up.Makes sense.Hire more people when you are losing population.Rocky
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/04/10 12:51 PM

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I am sorry to bring this up again, I know we already touched base on this subject once before...
I have an 06 4x4 Dodge Cummins dually, we currently tow our 28ft aluminum enclosed trailer with the 67 Coronet in it and about 1500pds cargo weight including our electric golf cart. We registered our truck at a CLASS 4 which is fine for hauling but we are planning on adding a truck camper or upgrading to a living quarters trailer. I thought a class five would get it done but PA required further info regarding our outfit before allowing us to upgrade. After we gave them the info, they told us we need to register as a CLASS 8!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME? This is ridiculous. We are punished because our truck is capable of towing 24K? I tried to get on Penn Dot's site to confirm the classification weights but we cannot seem to find exact answers. Your input would be much appreciated.

BGR- what did you end up registering your outfit at? You still have the dually and fifth wheel, right?





Kara,we ended up registering our daully at class-8 with the max registered gross vehicle combination weight allowable for our truck base on the factory specs at 21,200.We fall under CDL state and federal regulations since our trailer gross is over 10,000 and is a triaxle and is mandatory for state inspection every 6 months.



BG What is your combination weight? I have my dually registered for a combo of 22,900 and the trailer's GWR is 12,000. I talked to the State Police and they said no CDL required to stay within the state. (I realize you travel outside the state lines.) Bad part is laws are interpreted differently from person to person and trooper to trooper. I really should just go get my CDL and then I could drive what-ever, where-ever. When I reregistered our truck, Penndot never sent me a new weight class sticker for the windshield so the old #4 is still there.



Mine is registered at 21,200 maximum recommended by the manufacture(you need to supply this info to the state)A CDL licence is required at 26,001 gross weight,my trailer being registered at over 10,000 and being a triaxle also falls under CDL regulations.It's up to the disgression of the officer that stops you and the local judge or magistrate of the interpitation of the law.It doesn't matter if it a hobby or a business or for recreation with the only exemption being a "motor home registration"They have recently change the rules for agriculture use in Pa for all light trucks and equipment over 11,000 gross traveling on state highways.Pa. is getting like Calif.,desperately generating revenues.
Posted By: Prostock

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/04/10 01:51 PM

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Do they say "yins" allot? Perhaps they need all of those registration dollars to keep the Amish kids off of crank?



$430/year for a hobby trailer is nuts!!!



That would be "yinz"....

The $430/year is for the truck registration I believe.

Kara, get an RV like your parents. Then you can do anything. My brother has a 40 foot diesel pusher RV with air brakes that with his road runner on an open trailer weighs over 33,000 pounds, and its perfectly legal to drive with a regular license.
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Posted By: B G Racing

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/04/10 02:19 PM

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Kara,we ended up registering our daully at class-8 with the max registered gross vehicle combination weight allowable for our truck base on the factory specs at 21,200.We fall under CDL state and federal regulations since our trailer gross is over 10,000 and is a triaxle and is mandatory for state inspection every 6 months.
BG



does that include driver weight



That hurt.
Posted By: moparguy7074

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/05/10 12:39 AM

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Mopar guy that 20 late fee is a joke isnt it.Ive registered the 65 and my 58 Harley late as I only get 6 months for plates.On the HD thats as much as the plates.I went antique on the 65 last year and wilkl probally do the same with the HD this year.Their excuse for it.We have to funt the State Patrol.Study they did a few years ago.Ohio population wnet down by a ton.But guess what public employees went up.Makes sense.Hire more people when you are losing population.Rocky



Yeah its a real joke. I was trying to hold out, because I saw something in Jan. that they were trying to repeal it, but I gotta use my truck occasionally. Oh well, I saved 2 mos. worth of driving on it.
Posted By: W.I.N. Racing

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/05/10 01:23 AM

regester it in Maine (staabagency.com) Less than $90/5yrs. Been doing it here in NY

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Posted By: Prostock

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/05/10 02:51 AM

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regester it in Maine (staabagency.com) Less than $90/5yrs. Been doing it here in NY



That won't do a thing if you are towing through PA. If you come here, you have to abide by OUR laws, no matter what is legal where you register it.
Posted By: rowin4

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/05/10 03:10 AM

A little off subject , I can see your laws haven't changed. Back in 1970 I was driving through Pennsylvania with my 68 road runner, typical car of the day, jacked up , mag wheels with big meats out back and fender well headers hanging down. Stopped for gas , the local pump jockey kid asked where I was from that they would allow a car to be driven on the street looking like that. I didn't get puled over but he kinda had me worried.

Posted By: W.I.N. Racing

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/05/10 05:54 PM

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regester it in Maine (staabagency.com) Less than $90/5yrs. Been doing it here in NY



That won't do a thing if you are towing through PA. If you come here, you have to abide by OUR laws, no matter what is legal where you register it.



So my trailer that is leagaly registered in Maine (as far as the state of Maine is concerned) is not allowed to pass thru PA because????
What is preventing PA rsidents from doing the same?
Posted By: Prostock

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/05/10 06:23 PM

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regester it in Maine (staabagency.com) Less than $90/5yrs. Been doing it here in NY



That won't do a thing if you are towing through PA. If you come here, you have to abide by OUR laws, no matter what is legal where you register it.



So my trailer that is leagaly registered in Maine (as far as the state of Maine is concerned) is not allowed to pass thru PA because????
What is preventing PA rsidents from doing the same?



Towing thread
Posted By: 69 Road Runner

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/05/10 07:10 PM

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Do they say "yins" allot? Perhaps they need all of those registration dollars to keep the Amish kids off of crank?



$430/year for a hobby trailer is nuts!!!



That would be "yinz"....

The $430/year is for the truck registration I believe.

Kara, get an RV like your parents. Then you can do anything. My brother has a 40 foot diesel pusher RV with air brakes that with his road runner on an open trailer weighs over 33,000 pounds, and its perfectly legal to drive with a regular license.



That's because I'm in Virginia. Virginia does not have special license requirements for RVs.

Every state is different. Other states require a Class (fill in the blank) non-CDL for driving vehicles of certain weights.

Some Canadian provinces require air brake endorsements.

However, reciprocity laws allow me to drive in those states with my regular license. But, if you live in a state that requires you to have a special license due to weight of the vehicle, you have to get it.

Most states do not require you to get a CDL unless you're driving a commercial vehicle. My motorhome isn't commercially driven, so no CDL.

If you're racing for money, some states will say you're commercial and demand you have a CDL.

Oh, and when I pull the Road Runner, the combined weight is about 37,000 pounds.
Posted By: jcc

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/06/10 03:08 AM

So I'm at Sebring today watching 3 days of Historic road racing. Lots of fun. Many of the cars seem to be maintained by professional race support companies for car owners with money that lack time/expertise (thats not a shot). So the attached pic is of a typical out of state operation with their tractor and semi trailer with their company name displayed on their awning. For the punch line, see the next post.

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Posted By: jcc

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/06/10 03:09 AM

Its March 2010, how do they get by with this?

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Posted By: W.I.N. Racing

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/06/10 11:48 AM

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regester it in Maine (staabagency.com) Less than $90/5yrs. Been doing it here in NY



That won't do a thing if you are towing through PA. If you come here, you have to abide by OUR laws, no matter what is legal where you register it.



So my trailer that is leagaly registered in Maine (as far as the state of Maine is concerned) is not allowed to pass thru PA because????
What is preventing PA rsidents from doing the same?



Towing thread


Those are DOT isues and apply in most states. Registration of trailers is not part of that issue. When you register a trailer thru an agency in Maine you give them your Registration rights in the state of Maine. So the trailer is yours but the plate is theirs,(but associeated to your trailer)
A cdl and other DOT regs still apply to you, but you do not get killed on the registration costs
Posted By: SCDaytona

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/06/10 12:59 PM

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regester it in Maine (staabagency.com) Less than $90/5yrs. Been doing it here in NY



That won't do a thing if you are towing through PA. If you come here, you have to abide by OUR laws, no matter what is legal where you register it.



So my trailer that is leagaly registered in Maine (as far as the state of Maine is concerned) is not allowed to pass thru PA because????
What is preventing PA rsidents from doing the same?



Towing thread



Exactly. I cannot register my truck with the combination weight as it is not available on our registration in CT. My trailer is under 10K pounds and I'm keeping it that way. I believe my dually is 10,200 and is registered as a combination plate here. So Pa. will ticket me for no combination registration? If so, that would be rediculous and I could not correct that situation in CT no matter what.
Posted By: G-Money1320

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/06/10 04:33 PM

Hey W.I.N, what is the gross weight of your rig all hooked and loaded?, You guys with these huge trailers and trucks with the minimum registrations in other states will be in for a big surprise if you get stopped by a cop that knows CDL's and GVW's (like a motor carrier). Were'nt the cops stopping camper rigs towing race trailers last year or so outside an event in Pa. to check if they were registered correctly?. If anyone needs a good driver with all the credentials to pull your rigs this year give me a buzz
Posted By: W.I.N. Racing

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/06/10 05:27 PM

My Trailer is at 15600 and the truck is at 10000, both are registered as such. I have yet to have any issues.
As long as we're on the DOT issues.
The basic premis of the DOT rules are IF you are using a truck to do your job, YOU must be DOT registered (not your trailer)and follow all the safety standards that apply to your weight class. If you are not using your truck to do your job, you do not need to be DOT registered but still need to follow the DOT safety standards.It is up to you to know the safety standards. An officer can not Deem your racing as a business from the side of the road...period. You must be in violation or display just cause for a ticket to be given.
If you do not claim your racing expenses, make your living racing, get paid to go to the races, have DBA for your race team, and/or claim you "winnings" as normal income. you do not need to be DOT registered nor are you a business. You are a hobbyist. Its no different than getting in your Ram 3500 and going to the casino, does that make you a professional gambler???? and in need of a DOT reg NO! even if you are using a truck that you use to do your other type of business. Private is private plain and simple. There is a clause in the DOT reg's that states this information. If officer friendly argues ask him to explain what you are in violation of by number.
Remember Officer friendly is just a working putz like you an me. only difference is he gets a flashing light and a funny hat. And like you and me there are people that know their job better than others.
Don't cower to being unjustly accused, but be educated and be fair. Do what your state and DOT requires YOU to do and if you can find a legal and safe loophole(Maine trailer registration) use it.

Let the what If's, buts...and horror stories commence
Posted By: jcc

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/06/10 08:30 PM

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An officer can not Deem your racing as a business from the side of the road...period. You must be in violation or display just cause for a ticket to be given.
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Let the what If's, buts...and horror stories commence



Well OK, the job of an officer is to "deem" on the side of the road, a judge then in a trial makes the final judgement on the officers "deem".
You might be able to beat the rap, but not the ride.
Posted By: 05dakota

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/06/10 09:29 PM

You do know that violates NYS law?

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regester it in Maine (staabagency.com) Less than $90/5yrs. Been doing it here in NY

Posted By: W.I.N. Racing

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/07/10 03:42 PM

How???
Posted By: 05dakota

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/07/10 04:28 PM

You are a new yorkresident, the trailer is in NY.it NY law says it needs to registered here. ask the Dirt Modified teams that got nailed on I90 after leaving Lebanon Valley.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/07/10 06:50 PM

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regester it in Maine (staabagency.com) Less than $90/5yrs. Been doing it here in NY



That won't do a thing if you are towing through PA. If you come here, you have to abide by OUR laws, no matter what is legal where you register it.




I find all the different states having different laws
is a major pain... I am legal in my state and looks
to be legal in Ohio also and I'm sure for other states
but for me to go into PA I'm sure I would get busted
from what most of you are saying, here in MI we have
a permanent plate for trailers.... looks like some of
the other states dont recognize it.... I dont know
how I could be legal in PA without buying my registration
in that state
Posted By: Prostock

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/08/10 04:27 PM

Here's an example I saw posted elsewhere on how the towing laws differ in Florida (upcoming race in Bradenton prompted it), and if you don't comply it gets VERY expensive.

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If your combined truck/motorhome and trailer is over 65', it is a $1500 fine to travel in Florida without a permit. The FL-DOT is relentless and will be watching all out of state combinations from the state line to the track.

All of the forums are littered with racers crying over the $1500 tickets.

A 5-Day overlength permit is $25

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Originally Posted by http://www.fdotmaint.com/PermitNew/home.asp
If you have any questions, please contact the State Permits Office at (850) 410-5777

Call the above and they'll fax you an application and credit card authorization (ask for that too).

You still have time to submit and then print for your records before leaving.

Other tickets being issued were for not having a commercial license if a trailer is over 28' long -- if the truck (even a pickup) or trailer, or the race car had any company name (even sponsorship) on it. Remember, a 24' trailer is actually 28' long with the a-frame.

Tickets were also issued for fuel not being in the original container or too much fuel (I forget how much was too much) without a license.

Posted By: max_maniac

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/08/10 05:26 PM

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Here's an example I saw posted elsewhere on how the towing laws differ in Florida (upcoming race in Bradenton prompted it), and if you don't comply it gets VERY expensive.

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If your combined truck/motorhome and trailer is over 65', it is a $1500 fine to travel in Florida without a permit. The FL-DOT is relentless and will be watching all out of state combinations from the state line to the track.

All of the forums are littered with racers crying over the $1500 tickets.

A 5-Day overlength permit is $25

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Originally Posted by http://www.fdotmaint.com/PermitNew/home.asp
If you have any questions, please contact the State Permits Office at (850) 410-5777

Call the above and they'll fax you an application and credit card authorization (ask for that too).

You still have time to submit and then print for your records before leaving.

Other tickets being issued were for not having a commercial license if a trailer is over 28' long -- if the truck (even a pickup) or trailer, or the race car had any company name (even sponsorship) on it. Remember, a 24' trailer is actually 28' long with the a-frame.

Tickets were also issued for fuel not being in the original container or too much fuel (I forget how much was too much) without a license.





So that does not say that it's illegal to run any of different combination's in Florida it just states that you are legal if you do your homework ahead of time and pay their fee's


Russ
Posted By: Prostock

Re: Pennsylvania Vehicle Registration= FRUSTRATION!!!! - 03/08/10 05:40 PM

There was a also a thread about a whole slew of racers at Maple Grove that got tickets for the registrations issues a few years ago, but I can't find it now. A cop was sitting somewhere on that one lane road pulling them over as they went by. I think the fines were about the same, starting at $1500 and going up, depending on how heavy you were. They had portable scales.

Give it a shot in PA if you want, just a friendly heads up.
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