Got A Little more Done on New Motor

Posted By: Anonymous

Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/20/10 10:53 PM

Well i met up with my engine builder ARC yesterday and picked up some more of my parts for the new B1 motor.New Jesel front Mount Distributor and new Taylor 409 10mm Black Spark Plug Wires, front water pump fittings for new Meziere remote water pump.

It is getting very close to dynoing it.
just waiting on my new oil pan and carb linkage.
Oil pump is on its way.New Headers will be made shortly as well.
Couldn't have done it without ARC.

might be leaving a little on the table with the Holley 770's but i'm not going to use a dominator carb on this motor.

Here's afew shots, let me know what you think.i;m liking it alot and its coming together.

Posted By: camastomcat

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/20/10 11:03 PM

Isn't this the 572-588 T/S motor you've been working on? Why wouldn't you run 2 dominators?

Posted By: FASTFISH420

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/20/10 11:29 PM

That is the funniest looking motor with those carbs on top

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/20/10 11:44 PM

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Isn't this the 572-588 T/S motor you've been working on? Why wouldn't you run 2 dominators?

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/20/10 11:45 PM

nice...almost that time of year.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/20/10 11:46 PM

What are those carbs, a pair of 600s with vac secondaries?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 12:04 AM

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What are those carbs, a pair of 600s with vac secondaries?

A pair of holley 770 super stock hemi carbs.
cant run dominators in our nss association.
do you want to see what 2 edelbrock 800's look like. it looks worse. i have no choice.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 12:10 AM

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Isn't this the 572-588 T/S motor you've been working on? Why wouldn't you run 2 dominators?

its over 600 cubes.

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Posted By: supercomp

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 12:28 AM

I would guess your leaving a whole herd of Clydesdales on the table.

Posted By: HemiDart68

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 12:29 AM

cool motor. i don't understand the carbs either. Most NSS sanctioning bodies if they allow a sheet metal intake will allow any 4150 style carb. You can get a non dominator 4bbl that flows 1000 cfm. 770's might kill that motor.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 12:36 AM

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cool motor. i don't understand the carbs either. Most NSS sanctioning bodies if they allow a sheet metal intake will allow any 4150 style carb. You can get a non dominator 4bbl that flows 1000 cfm. 770's might kill that motor.

I JUST HAD THESE CARBS ON THE SHELF and its not carved in stone that i'm using them. just wanted to see the look, i still have some time to sort it out but i'm making some progress.
same motor and intake with one 1050 dominator made 1235 hp.
i'm figuring i got 1480 cfm,it could work.i dont think it looks so bad, you guys just are use to seeing dominators on top of these intakes.

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Posted By: 5126brl No more

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 01:02 AM

Looks very nice Chris

No chance that I can break it in for you Huh?

Would make a great street/strip motor

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 01:22 AM

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cool motor. i don't understand the carbs either. Most NSS sanctioning bodies if they allow a sheet metal intake will allow any 4150 style carb. You can get a non dominator 4bbl that flows 1000 cfm. 770's might kill that motor.

I JUST HAD THESE CARBS ON THE SHELF and its not carved in stone that i'm using them. just wanted to see the look, i still have some time to sort it out but i'm making some progress.
same motor and intake with one 1050 dominator made 1235 hp.
i'm figuring i got 1480 cfm,it could work.i dont think it looks so bad, you guys just are use to seeing dominators on top of these intakes.

why are you worried about how it looks?

I would be worried about which runs better.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 01:22 AM

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cool motor. i don't understand the carbs either. Most NSS sanctioning bodies if they allow a sheet metal intake will allow any 4150 style carb. You can get a non dominator 4bbl that flows 1000 cfm. 770's might kill that motor.

I JUST HAD THESE CARBS ON THE SHELF and its not carved in stone that i'm using them. just wanted to see the look, i still have some time to sort it out but i'm making some progress.
same motor and intake with one 1050 dominator made 1235 hp.
i'm figuring i got 1480 cfm,it could work.i dont think it looks so bad, you guys just are use to seeing dominators on top of these intakes.

What the HELL do you care what it LOOKS like... do
you want power or looks, get a pair of 4150s and
dump that vac stuff

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 01:23 AM

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cool motor. i don't understand the carbs either. Most NSS sanctioning bodies if they allow a sheet metal intake will allow any 4150 style carb. You can get a non dominator 4bbl that flows 1000 cfm. 770's might kill that motor.

I JUST HAD THESE CARBS ON THE SHELF and its not carved in stone that i'm using them. just wanted to see the look, i still have some time to sort it out but i'm making some progress.
same motor and intake with one 1050 dominator made 1235 hp.
i'm figuring i got 1480 cfm,it could work.i dont think it looks so bad, you guys just are use to seeing dominators on top of these intakes.

What the HELL do you care what it LOOKS like... do
you want power or looks, get a pair of 4150s and
dump that vac stuff

got you with the quickness

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 01:33 AM

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Isn't this the 572-588 T/S motor you've been working on? Why wouldn't you run 2 dominators?

its over 600 cubes.

605ci

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 01:49 AM

Posted By: blown572dart

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 02:14 AM

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its over 600 cubes.

605ci

Posted By: Anonymous

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Posted By: scottydog

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 03:01 AM

Looks nice. What horsepower do you think it will attain? Why did you go with showcar spark plug wires instead of race wires? Saving money? Not knocking you, but it's amazing they allow sheetmetal intakes and not Dominators. Seems restricting. You guys race a ton around where I live. I will try to make a show. My bud races a big 60's Ford with an intake that looks like that, but with a little different type carbs. Good luck.. Looks like you did your homework..

Posted By: moparniac

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 03:04 AM

maybe he's going with the "sleeper" look with them carbs...

Posted By: Diablo

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 03:06 AM

Yup those carbs do look a little weird and small up there on that engine........

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 03:14 AM

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Yup those carbs do look a little weird and small up there on that engine........

Hey Diablo the motor that SSR has had the same Alky set up on it. Allen who owned the motor was going 7.70 - 7.60's in a tube chassis Dodge Stratus that weighed 2350lbs with the Terminator setup. I sold him a pair of custom Dominators that flowed 1140 wet and he picked up close to 2 tenths and about 4-6mph over alcohol. The motor ran much better on gas. I guess the tunnel ram liked gas better.. I know your pulling trucks like Alky much better. The motor that I bought from Todd the 635ci with the same intake as your ran alky also and made great power...

Posted By: rickstershemi

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 03:21 AM

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cool motor. i don't understand the carbs either. Most NSS sanctioning bodies if they allow a sheet metal intake will allow any 4150 style carb. You can get a non dominator 4bbl that flows 1000 cfm. 770's might kill that motor.

Who's the Einstein that came up with those rules.....Bill Holt....????

Rickster

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 03:40 AM

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Looks nice. What horsepower do you think it will attain? Why did you go with showcar spark plug wires instead of race wires? Saving money? Not knocking you, but it's amazing they allow sheetmetal intakes and not Dominators. Seems restricting. You guys race a ton around where I live. I will try to make a show. My bud races a big 60's Ford with an intake that looks like that, but with a little different type carbs. Good luck.. Looks like you did your homework..

TAYLOR 409 10MM race wires are not show poodle wires.

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Posted By: hemi-itis

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 04:11 AM

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Isn't this the 572-588 T/S motor you've been working on? Why wouldn't you run 2 dominators?

its over 600 cubes.

605ci

Yup

That's over 600 CI.Very astute

Posted By: Diablo

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 04:52 AM

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Yup those carbs do look a little weird and small up there on that engine........

Hey Diablo the motor that SSR has had the same Alky set up on it. Allen who owned the motor was going 7.70 - 7.60's in a tube chassis Dodge Stratus that weighed 2350lbs with the Terminator setup. I sold him a pair of custom Dominators that flowed 1140 wet and he picked up close to 2 tenths and about 4-6mph over alcohol. The motor ran much better on gas. I guess the tunnel ram liked gas better.. I know your pulling trucks like Alky much better. The motor that I bought from Todd the 635ci with the same intake as your ran alky also and made great power...

I know my engine ran gas before and the intake was made for gas. I'm pretty sure it would make more power on Gas with that intake. The plenum and runners are a bit small i think. And all that alchy being shot out is taking up a lot of space for the air. If i change the intake i think it would be better with this alchy set up. But your right most pullers run alchy. If i had two carbs i would try it but then again i don't have the $$$ to not use this injection set up.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/21/10 04:53 AM

Since you are running the sheetmetal intake, might as well get as much performance as possible. I would go to a set of Holley HP 850's. They are legal in NMCA on the 9.25 and quicker cars as well as the 422 circuit.

poppaj

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/22/10 03:23 AM

SSR any Predictions on ET or should we ask your Crew Cheif Mr.Toad.................?

Posted By: RemCharger

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/22/10 03:30 AM

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What are those carbs, a pair of 600s with vac secondaries?

do you want to see what 2 edelbrock 800's look like. it looks worse. i have no choice.

Nobody wants to see what carters would look like on there.
You win.

Very nice mill btw.

Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/22/10 03:40 AM

Looks racy, Chris, not showy..Thanks Scottydog, pot-stirrer

Posted By: Anonymous

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/22/10 12:20 PM

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Posted By: cheapstreetdustr

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/22/10 03:00 PM

so will that engine inevitably be restricted by carb size...when its all said and done?

what is the compression?

id love to run in those classes...
cheapst.

Posted By: Bigcube

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/22/10 04:23 PM

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so will that engine inevitably be restricted by carb size...when its all said and done?

what is the compression?

id love to run in those classes...
cheapst.

Not only that but the whole left bank of the motor won't see any fuel till the vac secondaries open? How is that going to work?

Posted By: Diablo

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/22/10 04:57 PM

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so will that engine inevitably be restricted by carb size...when its all said and done?

what is the compression?

id love to run in those classes...
cheapst.

Not only that but the whole left bank of the motor won't see any fuel till the vac secondaries open? How is that going to work?

I thought about that and it made me start to worry about the engine. They are gonna have to be VERY careful i think not to lean something out. Engines like that can be fussy with its fuel..... I would watch the EGT temps

Posted By: Anonymous

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Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/22/10 07:39 PM

Not sure what that means. I think Chris knows exactly what he's doing.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/22/10 10:56 PM

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so will that engine inevitably be restricted by carb size...when its all said and done?

what is the compression?

id love to run in those classes...
cheapst.

Not only that but the whole left bank of the motor won't see any fuel till the vac secondaries open? How is that going to work?

dont the hemi ss/ah guys use the same carbs,

as long as the primaries and secondaries are jetted correctly i see no problem,and fuel pressure at 8.5psi. motor was run with one 1050 dominator and made sick power.
this motor will see 1480 cfms worth of carbs, running 94 square with c16 or 99 square with q 16 VP fuel.
unless i'm missing something.
my 588 runs 2 carter 750's with .119 square with no issues on my Altronics O2 alert. 13.1 afr.

Posted By: Bigcube

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/22/10 11:18 PM

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Not only that but the whole left bank of the motor won't see any fuel till the vac secondaries open? How is that going to work?

dont the hemi ss/ah guys use the same carbs,
as long as the primaries and secondaries are jetted correctly i see no problem,and fuel pressure at 8.5psi. motor was run with one 1050 dominator and made sick power.
this motor will see 1480 cfms worth of carbs, running 94 square with c16 or 99 square with q 16 VP fuel.
unless i'm missing something.
my 588 runs 2 carter 750's with .119 square with no issues on my Altronics O2 alert. 13.1 afr.

Jetting has nothing to do with it. With vacuum pods the secondaries will not open at idle or at low RPM no load conditions. With a tunnel ram each barrel of the carb basically feeds one cylinder. With sideways mounted dominators the linkage is set up to open the right and left barrels at the same rate. With SS/AH manifolds cross ram manifolds the plenum is completely different. I wont say anything more on this, IMO it's not going to work

Good luck with it.

Posted By: roadhazard

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/23/10 12:42 AM

Convert those to double pumpers and leave the vacuume pods on there for show

Just a thought and definately better than 2 E Brocks

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/23/10 12:56 AM

I dont think any carb will work...

those openings on the manifold are way to big for holleys or eddys!!!

just kiddin, but id use a set of worked over 850 holleys

Casey

Posted By: MIKECS

Re: Got A Little more Done on New Motor - 02/23/10 03:28 AM

I notice some holes near the flange. I wonder what that is for????????????????????