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R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times

Posted By: FASTFISH420

R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 12:45 AM


Does anybody have any actually drag times per R/T vs SRT Challengers?

Been thinking about buying one and dont know if the extra 10 grand is worth it for the SRT..

I work for Dodge and have and work on both..I have had a SRT completely stripped to nothing and built a acouple 6.1 hemis using Arrington heads,cam,etc..so I know them well..I just need the 1/4 mile times..
Posted By: FASTFISH420

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 01:19 AM

Doesn't anybody own one of these..we cant keep them on the lot..LOL
Posted By: KillerBee

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 01:30 AM

From what I hear the R/T is just as fast in the 1/4 mile as the SRT if not a little quicker.
The stick shift cars have wheel hop issues so if your wanting to do a lot of racing the auto would be best.
Lots of info here.
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f100/
Posted By: mrrandyj

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 03:32 AM

My 2009 6-speed SRT Challenger that is completely stock except for a K&N drop in air filter, and a 180 thermostat ran 13.2 @ 107. The car has violent wheel hop, so I was leaving very easy with it. 2.21 was the best 60 foot dogging it off the line.
Posted By: Mills

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 05:06 AM

With a typical driver in an Auto, the R/T is an honest high 13 sec car at ~102 mph. The SRT low 13's at ~108 mph. This is a typical driver, both with 2+ 60 ft. times, street tires, 100% stock. A guy with a lot of seat time can get them around 1.8's and the R/T will be a mid 13 to the SRT high 12's.

I have never driver a Challenger R/T, (have the SRT), so can't say. Can say when I bought my SRT Charger, I did drive a Charger R/T (albeit without the new 5.7), and there was just no comparison. Handling, brakes, power, etc. I got a great deal on my SRT, so the difference was around 8k, and at there there was just no question what to do.

If you are not in a rush...wait a year for the 6.4 and get a SRT

Posted By: qwkmopardan

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 05:13 AM

I have had a handfull of these new challengers. The 2 R/T auto trans cars ran way different. The red one went 13.45 at 103. The white one only ran 13.65 at 102mph. I won $$ with both. At MMW in St. Louis in the new hemi class, $200 with the red one and $1500 with the white one. The Black 6 speed R/T went 13.30 at 105 mph. The SRT 6 speed has gone 13.15 at 108 mph. The auto trans cars are pretty consistent but the manuals are all over. You have to get the clutch and gas just right or you will either bog and dog or spin and wheel hop. The best 60ft on both manual R/T and SRT was 2.00. The R/T was a perfect pass. the SRT with the 2.00 60 ft. the shifter jammed on 1-2 shift??? The 13.15 pass was only a 2.05 60ft. Definetly 13.00s are posible out of the SRT. If you don't disable traction control, the 6 speed cars, R/T and SRT are dogs, like in the 14s. But the autos trans cars will spin bad if you do disable the traction control. All of these times are with 100% showroom stock cars with air cleaner, factory tires, and no programers.

Is the SRT worth $15000 more? I would say no. I had alot of fun in the 2000 miles I drove the 6 speed R/T. I only upgraded the six speed R/T to a SRT because they offered me $30000 trade in on a year old car with 2000 miles of my abuse that I paid $30000 for. The SRT doesn't feel hardly any more powerful on the street than the R/T but the SRT does corner noticably better and the brakes are 2nd to none. The seats are way nicer in the SRT. All the R/Ts I had were/are strippers with cloth seats and the SRTs are all leather.
Posted By: Jimi_Vignogna

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 12:07 PM

i ran 13.62 @ 104.00 mph 2.77 60' on my first pass with my r/t 6 speed 2000 miles bone stock, my car was 4292# with me in it on englishtowns scale. i would not buy the srt spend the extra money on up grades for the r/t.
Posted By: FASTFISH420

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 01:37 PM

Lots of good info here

I have driven them all..on the street the R/T feels alittle stronger to me bone stock and the R/T sounds better also...the SRT's the brakes and handling is fantastic and can compare to the R/T..I believe the SRT is alittle heavier also..

The SRT's I have modded all run like a bear,but had extensive engine work also.. one a Jeep and the other a Challenger I just finished..

I just prepped a Yellow Classic yesterday with a 6-speed and it was a blast to drive and it got alot of attention..

Has anybody raced any with a good drag radial??
Posted By: Hurst390

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 01:51 PM

I'm afraid to race my 6 speed r/t due to the rearend? Anyone had troubles with the rear-end noise or breaking...mine is quiet and want it to stay that way..LOL
Posted By: qwkmopardan

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 04:02 PM

My 6 spd R/T was quiet when new and pretty noisy at 2000 miles. Srarted making noise after 2nd trip to dragstrip.
Posted By: Mills

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 04:12 PM

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I'm afraid to race my 6 speed r/t due to the rearend? Anyone had troubles with the rear-end noise or breaking...mine is quiet and want it to stay that way..LOL



The Challengers and all 2010 SRT's have upgraded axles to combat the gernading the previous units were having. It's a common swap for the LX guys these days to buy a complete rear from a Challenger for the Part Dept. and put into an older LX. Also get a limited slip rear. Unless you are heavily modded, you will not have any issues with the rear on drag radials.
Posted By: Mills

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 04:25 PM

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The SRT's I have modded all run like a bear,but had extensive engine work also.. one a Jeep and the other a Challenger I just finished..




My SRT now has an UD Pulley, CNC Ported TB / Heads / Intake, Cam, Convertor, After market Cold Air Intake, Hi flow cats and Catback, all tied into a custom tune on the Diablo. Result: a 12.13 @ 117.8 mph with a horrible 2.18 60 ft. Based a race weight of around 4450, doing the math isn't hard to see there is some major power at the wheels.

I had the Cam ground on a 115LSA so it idles almost like stock...could almost pass for stock and blame the exhaust for the added tone. Still gets between 23-24 mpg on the hwy and could easily be daily driven as neither the cam or the convertor are wild - just a slight upgrade. If I'm not planning on beating the car on the hwy, can fill up with 89 Oct and computer pulls no timing.

Had I known how good these new Hemi's were, I would have skipped the stroked 440 for the Satellite and build a stroked 6.1.

Mopar did a great job on these motors.

The only issue I have with them the way they come from the factory is there is WAY too much computer control over things. The 1st thing I'd buy if I had a new one is a Diablo and get rid of most of that.
Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 06:15 PM

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My 2009 6-speed SRT Challenger that is completely stock except for a K&N drop in air filter, and a 180 thermostat ran 13.2 @ 107. The car has violent wheel hop, so I was leaving very easy with it. 2.21 was the best 60 foot dogging it off the line.



Hey mrrandyj, Can you post a few pictures of your Challenger??
Posted By: ETASPEN

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 07:34 PM

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I'm afraid to race my 6 speed r/t due to the rearend? Anyone had troubles with the rear-end noise or breaking...mine is quiet and want it to stay that way..LOL



A friend of mine has a 6spd SRT slightly modded, running NOS and slicks. Currently running low 12's. No diff trouble (yet).
Posted By: 383man

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 07:54 PM

I actually street raced and SRT-8 Challenger when I was driving to the track to race my 63. It had different exh but thats all I could tell. We went from a redlite but I spun bad with 30 lbs in my tires. He put a lenth on me right away but as I eased into it I caught him at the top of first and then put about 2 car lenths on him in second. I lifted then as did he because we knew who was faster and we were doing about 80 to 90 mph. But its not like I blew his doors off as I figured it was a solid mid 12 car. Sounded real good. Ron
Posted By: preddy

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/27/10 11:15 PM

I've spoken to folks with R/Ts just like mine (6 speed and the track pack option) who say they've run 13.13 @ 107 with the only mod being a K&N cold air kit. I have not witnessed it myself but I wouldn't doubt that it's possible in good air.

One thing that (besides the price) dissuaded me from the SRT8 was the lack of warranty. The dealer told me the power train warranty on the SRT8 did not exist.

Another consideration, the R/T has 376 HP. K & N claims to provide an additional 21 HP with their cold air kit. I don't know how true that is but for arguments sake, pretend it is. So that gives you 397 HP for the R/T. According to what I've read, the R/T is about 100 pounds lighter than the SRT. So theoretically, at roughly 400 HP and 100lbs lighter, the R/T starts to approach the SRT in power to weight.

I'm not knocking the SRT8s. I would love one too. I'm just saying the R/T has a decent bang for the buck.
Posted By: mrrandyj

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 03:48 AM

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Hey mrrandyj, Can you post a few pictures of your Challenger??




Posted By: turbobitt

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 03:50 AM

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Hey mrrandyj, Can you post a few pictures of your Challenger??








Randy,
I can't believe you exposed your baby to the elements.
Allan G.
Posted By: MRVCODE

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 03:54 AM

I love the Challenger, but IMO get the Mustang ,faster, cheaper.
Posted By: mrrandyj

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 03:56 AM

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Randy,
I can't believe you exposed your baby to the elements.
Allan G.



Don't worry, I heated up the driveway before I backed it out of the garage.
Posted By: KillerBee

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 03:59 AM

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I love the Challenger, but IMO get the Mustang ,faster, cheaper.



If your going to get a new Mustang GT you might as well wait until the 2011 ones are available with the 400 plus HP 5.0 V8.
Dodge better get their act together or their Hemi is going to be outperformed by GM and Furd's V6 engines.
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 04:21 AM

There is a black auto SRT challenger with 2000? miles for sale where I work for $37,000 if any one is looking for one.
Posted By: 383man

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 04:30 AM

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I love the Challenger, but IMO get the Mustang ,faster, cheaper.



If your going to get a new Mustang GT you might as well wait until the 2011 ones are available with the 400 plus HP 5.0 V8.
Dodge better get their act together or their Hemi is going to be outperformed by GM and Furd's V6 engines.




I thought the only Mustang that could outrun the Hemi Challenger R/T and SRT's was the supercharged one ?? Ron
Posted By: KillerBee

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 04:33 AM

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I love the Challenger, but IMO get the Mustang ,faster, cheaper.



If your going to get a new Mustang GT you might as well wait until the 2011 ones are available with the 400 plus HP 5.0 V8.
Dodge better get their act together or their Hemi is going to be outperformed by GM and Furd's V6 engines.




I thought the only Mustang that could outrun the Hemi Challenger R/T and SRT's was the supercharged one ?? Ron



In 2011 the Mustang GT is getting the return of the 5.0 litre V8 engine with 400 plus (non aspirated) horsepower. The entry level V6 Mustang engine is reported to be rated at 315 HP.
If Furd prices it like it's current GT Mustang it's going to be an awesome bang for the buck musclecar.
The 2011 Shelby GT350 is going to have the supercharger on the 5.0 engine should be 550 or more horspower.
Posted By: Mills

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 04:53 PM

The new Mustang is going to be a GREAT bang for the buck in it's new version....still is in it's current version.

Problem with the 6.1 is it's "old"...no wonder we are behind in today's versions. The other guys have had 5 years to catch up, and are finally starting too. Face it, the SRT vehicles ruled for years for the price you paid for the package you got. But the SRT motor is in need of a re-do. Rumors say a 6.4L is coming to replace the 6.1. I think it's a Bass Ackwards way to do it...bigger is not the key like it was back in the day. They should just beef up the motor to take 10lbs of boost and be done with it. A S/C SRT will eat a GT500 every day....all while being a WAY better total package, while being cheaper as well - albeit you have to do mods to your new vehicle to do it...and do it thru the aftermarket. If GM releases the Z-28, even with a 6.4L, we'll still get wiped. Well, those off the showroom floor anyway
Posted By: DragDart360

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 05:18 PM

(One thing that (besides the price) dissuaded me from the SRT8 was the lack of warranty. The dealer told me the power train warranty on the SRT8 did not exist.)


The 2009 SRT came with the standard 3/36 warranty powertrain included. The R/T and Classic had the
lifetime warranty for the original owner.


ALL

I haven't had mine to the Strip
Maybe this spring
Posted By: SRT6776

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 07:13 PM

The new 6.4L is going to be a VCT engine (like the current 5.7). It gets better fuel economy than the 6.1 and make gobs more power.
Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 07:14 PM

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Hey mrrandyj, Can you post a few pictures of your Challenger??








Hey Randy, I usually dont like red cars but yours is BEAUTIFUL!!!! It looks VERY boss looking!!! You plan on any mods to the outside of the car like different wheels,hood,stripes??
Looks like the Coronet will be sitting in the garage alot!!! As soon as good weather breaks,would love to stop by and see it in person.
Posted By: mrrandyj

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 10:11 PM

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Hey Randy, I usually dont like red cars but yours is BEAUTIFUL!!!! It looks VERY boss looking!!! You plan on any mods to the outside of the car like different wheels,hood,stripes??
Looks like the Coronet will be sitting in the garage alot!!! As soon as good weather breaks,would love to stop by and see it in person.



No mods planned right now. To be honest, I am really disappointed with the car at the moment because of the wheel hop, that takes almost all the fun out of driving it. Its to bad because everything else about the car I love, but the wheel hop kind of ruins it for me.
Posted By: Mills

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 11:07 PM

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The new 6.4L is going to be a VCT engine (like the current 5.7). It gets better fuel economy than the 6.1 and make gobs more power.



True, depending how you look at it. From what I hear, the 6.4L is a go for the 2011's 2500 / 3500 Rams with a reported 450 HP. What will it have in an SRT?...and what do you consider "gobs" more power? If it gets rated at 500 HP, I'd be surprised....and it's still not enough IMO. All it's gonna do is give Chrysler an "excuse" to charge another 10k for an SRT.

S/C'ed 6.1's put out easily over 500 at the WHEELS on 5-6 psi on a otherwise 100% stock machine. That is how they should have gone.
Posted By: qwkmopardan

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/28/10 11:38 PM



To be honest, I am really disappointed with the car at the moment because of the wheel hop, that takes almost all the fun out of driving it. Its to bad because everything else about the car I love, but the wheel hop kind of ruins it for me.



Way off topic but have you tryed disabling the traction control. Hold the button 10 seconds to totaly disable. Wheel hop will be greatly reduced if not completely gone.
Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/29/10 12:52 AM

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Hey Randy, I usually dont like red cars but yours is BEAUTIFUL!!!! It looks VERY boss looking!!! You plan on any mods to the outside of the car like different wheels,hood,stripes??
Looks like the Coronet will be sitting in the garage alot!!! As soon as good weather breaks,would love to stop by and see it in person.



No mods planned right now. To be honest, I am really disappointed with the car at the moment because of the wheel hop, that takes almost all the fun out of driving it. Its to bad because everything else about the car I love, but the wheel hop kind of ruins it for me.



Theres no suspension parts you can get to fix the problem?? Where did you buy it from?? You gonna take me for a ride this summer??
Posted By: mrrandyj

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/29/10 02:54 AM

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Way off topic but have you tryed disabling the traction control. Hold the button 10 seconds to totaly disable. Wheel hop will be greatly reduced if not completely gone.



Yes, I have tried it with the traction control disabled and also with the ESP completely disabled (holding the button for 10 seconds) The wheel hop is bad either way. Take a look at this youtube video. This is not my car, but another SRT 6-speed Challenger from the west coast. This shows how bad the wheel hop is in these cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfIxzhj0GCg
Posted By: mrrandyj

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/29/10 02:58 AM

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Theres no suspension parts you can get to fix the problem?? Where did you buy it from?? You gonna take me for a ride this summer??



No one offers anything yet that eliminates the wheel hop. Hopefully by spring someone will have something, but I am not counting on it. Sure, i'll take you for a ride when the weather gets nice.
Posted By: KillerBee

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/29/10 03:34 AM

The SRT engineers had an online discussion about wheelhop, they acknowledge it exists and is a problem, but say it's to be expected and is mostly driver error.
Posted By: Mills

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/29/10 04:39 AM

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Way off topic but have you tryed disabling the traction control. Hold the button 10 seconds to totaly disable. Wheel hop will be greatly reduced if not completely gone.



Yes, I have tried it with the traction control disabled and also with the ESP completely disabled (holding the button for 10 seconds) The wheel hop is bad either way. Take a look at this youtube video. This is not my car, but another SRT 6-speed Challenger from the west coast. This shows how bad the wheel hop is in these cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfIxzhj0GCg



Wow - that's nasty.

FYI - pushing and holding the ESP button until you hear the chime and the EVIC displays "ESP Disabled" does NOT completly turn the system off...it is still very much present.

Try this: while driving about 5-10 mph, push and hold the start button. All the electrical stuff (radio, heater blower, etc.) will go off for a sec or two (they come back on - don't worry). After that, you will hear a chime and the ESP AND BAS (brake assist system) lights will come on. That turns the system off. The brakes get applied as part of the ESP system, and holding the button does not turn the BAS system off.

It isn't going to help the wheel hop...but you should feel a significant difference in the way the car performs.

I got a key in the Charger so I turn and hold the key.

This trick only works on late '07's and up.

It still doesn't work as good as disabling EVERYTHING with the Diablo...it turns it all off...even ABS. All Torque management is gone. The shifts are nuts. Some people on the new forums don't like it cause it turns the ABS off...I tell them still better then driving a stroked 440 with 10" drums
Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/29/10 04:48 AM

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Way off topic but have you tryed disabling the traction control. Hold the button 10 seconds to totaly disable. Wheel hop will be greatly reduced if not completely gone.



Yes, I have tried it with the traction control disabled and also with the ESP completely disabled (holding the button for 10 seconds) The wheel hop is bad either way. Take a look at this youtube video. This is not my car, but another SRT 6-speed Challenger from the west coast. This shows how bad the wheel hop is in these cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfIxzhj0GCg



Thats BAD!!!!! Put me in the back seat,it wont wheel hop!!!!
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/29/10 11:30 AM

Wheelhop is the bane of the GTO too. So far the one thing that seems to help the most is having one axle shaft a larger diameter than the other. It supposedly cancels out the harmonics that cause the wheelhop.

Other things that have been tried with some success are air bags and/or stiffer springs.

I am lucky. So far my Goat shows no signs of wheelhop.

IRS in a car that will be used for drag racing sucks for sure.

G Force Engineering does IRS parts for the GM cars. Maybe they will get into the Challengers too.
Posted By: DragDart360

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/29/10 02:07 PM

Is the wheel hop problem just on prepared surfaces
ie: Dragstrip or does it happen on all types of surface
Posted By: mrrandyj

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/29/10 09:47 PM

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Is the wheel hop problem just on prepared surfaces
ie: Dragstrip or does it happen on all types of surface



It happens on any surface. I got stuck in the rain with the car once, and it wheel hopped just as bad on the wet roads as it does anywhere else.
Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER

Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times - 01/30/10 12:27 AM

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It happens on any surface. I got stuck in the rain with the car once



Just ONCE????? LOL!!!!!
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