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CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback???

Posted By: B1CUDA

CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/26/10 06:29 PM

I am building a street car for my wife, and have already purchased the tubular CAP k-frame from a private party, but, I just wanted to get some feedback (Good, bad, in-different) from some of you that may have used these parts that CAP offers. Thanks in advance!!

www.capautoproducts.com


Chris
Posted By: cogen80

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/26/10 07:02 PM

seen too many issues with those. there was a thread here a while back with a set of their arms that cracked at the weld. thats not good. there was also a thread at fabo about how poorly made their k-frame was built. cracked at the steering box, was not built square either. there are too many other places that build good quality products to take a chance on that cap garbage.
Posted By: 72chrgrally

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/26/10 07:24 PM

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seen too many issues with those. there was a thread here a while back with a set of their arms that cracked at the weld. thats not good




I have their upper arms on my car, they are good as long as you don't bounce your car off a curb doing something stupid like the guy in the other thread.
Steve
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/26/10 07:31 PM

I cant say as i have a set of these, but all the reports i have had on these is that they are top notch, and they look extremely well engineered and welded.

I know the company owner personally, have raced with him at several Classic events and he is a super nice and very knowledgable guy.
This setup is on his 9.50 ish 65/66 yellow dart that he races extensively.

Having seen the parts( and their quality) and knowing the nature of the guy who builds them, i would have zero problems stating i would buy and enjoy having his setup in a heartbeat.

I also doubt such a big a Mopar community vendor as Mancini would sell his stuff if they had had issues with these reported to them by the many customers running them...

Posted By: Max Weg

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedbac - 01/26/10 07:37 PM

I bought a set of his upper A arms and he assured me they would fit a 73 A body, they didn't I then contacted him and told him they would not fit and sent photos to show what the problems were. He then stated that he would give me a full refund and I sent them back, once he had them back he said they were installed and therefore he could only give me 50% back. I ended up paying shipping both ways and only 1/2 of the cost back. The guy is a flake and I would advise anyone to steer clear of his junk. Just my Opinion.

Max Weg
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedbac - 01/26/10 07:46 PM

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techa...rade/index.html


nice mopar muscle review of the cap front end, which they installed.
Posted By: Ron Silva

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedbac - 01/26/10 08:16 PM

I got one of the early ones that they built for me and it was unpainted. So it was easy to see all the problems with it. I did not like it so I sent it back. He sent me a new one WITH ALL THE SAME PROBLEMS, so I sent that one back too. I will admit I am VERY picky when it comes to my life AND wrecking something that took 2 years of my life to build. He was nice enough to return my money in full though.
Posted By: Hemiroid

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedbac - 01/26/10 08:23 PM

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I got one of the early ones that they built for me and it was unpainted. So it was easy to see all the problems with it. I did not like it so I sent it back. He sent me a new one WITH ALL THE SAME PROBLEMS, so I sent that one back too. I will admit I am VERY picky when it comes to my life AND wrecking something that took 2 years of my life to build. He was nice enough to return my money in full though.




Could you get into what it is/was that you didn't like? I'm very interested as I'm going to be buying someones front end kit. I'm leaning towards Bondos kit, but haven't seen a lot of feedback as I don't think it's been available for too long.
Posted By: cogen80

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedbac - 01/26/10 09:16 PM

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http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techa...rade/index.html


nice mopar muscle review of the cap front end, which they installed.





are they a sponsor in that magazine? did they give the magazine a system for free?

questions have to be asked to confirm credibility.
Posted By: cogen80

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/26/10 09:18 PM

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seen too many issues with those. there was a thread here a while back with a set of their arms that cracked at the weld. thats not good




I have their upper arms on my car, they are good as long as you don't bounce your car off a curb doing something stupid like the guy in the other thread.
Steve





the guy in the other thread stated that they were driving down the street and the broken weld caused the crash.

too many other vendors out there to buy from that you have never heard a bad thing about to risk using that cap stuff.
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedbac - 01/26/10 09:26 PM

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I'm leaning towards Bondos kit, but haven't seen a lot of feedback as I don't think it's been available for too long.




I've seen Bondo's stuff first hand at the swap meet and it is (at least to my untrained eye) very good stuff.

There was also a great video they did with the camera pointed at the suspension while the car was going down the track at full steam. Very impressive.

If I had the $$$$ I would be hard pressed to buy anything else.
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedbac - 01/26/10 09:33 PM

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I'm leaning towards Bondos kit, but haven't seen a lot of feedback as I don't think it's been available for too long.




I've seen Bondo's stuff first hand at the swap meet and it is (at least to my untrained eye) very good stuff.

There was also a great video they did with the camera pointed at the suspension while the car was going down the track at full steam. Very impressive.

If I had the $$$$ I would be hard pressed to buy anything else.





not going to get any arguements from me that Bondo makes great stuff

that said, the original poster did say it was a street car, and last i knew, Bobs frontends werent designed to be run on the street, and i believe require welding.maybe he has changed that setup to be street friendly but last i saw it wasnt..but i could be wrong..
Posted By: B1CUDA

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedbac - 01/26/10 09:40 PM

Thanks for the response so far, keep em' coming.

Here is my dilemma, the car that I am building is a 1964 Valiant, which, of course, means that I would need a specific front end, un-like the "Normal" 67-76 A-body stuff.

P.S. I must have used the word "Streetcar" lightly, as this little puppy will have a 426" small block, with a single hair dryer, on pump gas. It will be very streetable, but, when it goes to the track, on occasion, I certainly want everything to be stable and top notch.
Posted By: Ron Silva

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedbac - 01/26/10 10:07 PM

The K frame did not hit the car frame square. The bolt holes did not line up. The attaching bolts might have crushed the tubes. Where the LCA pivot pins seated was all buggered up from the welding, the welds were too hot on one area underneath where they just overwelded a large area, the welds were of poor quality, steering box attaching bolts interferance and some more stuff I cannot remember. Just too much when you add it all up.......

You know Sloan don't you?? He saw them and pretty much agreed with me. TOO much risk for the possible gain. I ended up using all stock control arms after cleaning and inspection and even the HD adjustable strut rods from Firm feel etc on my front end. FACTORY engineering I can trust. Sure I gave up some weight reduction but, oh well.

Come down off a big wheely, crack something and then when you let off after the finish line and hit the wall at 130+. Not my idea of fun.

Ronald Silva.
Posted By: 65signet

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedbac - 01/26/10 10:10 PM

I bought a pair of the upper A arms for my 65 Valiant, they are mounted on the car but i have not driven it yet, they seem to fit good
Posted By: Pat7272

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedbac - 01/26/10 10:35 PM

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I ended up using all stock control arms after cleaning and inspection and even the HD adjustable strut rods from Firm feel etc on my front end. FACTORY engineering I can trust. Sure I gave up some weight reduction but, oh well.

Ronald Silva.




Did you consider the AlterKtion front end?
Posted By: dartman366

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedbac - 01/26/10 10:53 PM

I have a set of CAP's upper controll arms that have been on the car for 3 season's and numerous wheelie's with some being not so soft a landings, with out a single problem, I think his upper control arm's are a good product,I have no experience with any of his other stuff.
Posted By: FIREGUY12

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedbac - 01/26/10 11:42 PM

I have CAPS tublar K and rack. Really easy to
install. Good tech support. Nice guy. I am very pleased with the fittment. I have not ran my car yet but I don't foresee any problems.

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Posted By: 72chrgrally

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/27/10 12:00 AM

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seen too many issues with those. there was a thread here a while back with a set of their arms that cracked at the weld. thats not good




I have their upper arms on my car, they are good as long as you don't bounce your car off a curb doing something stupid like the guy in the other thread.
Steve





the guy in the other thread stated that they were driving down the street and the broken weld caused the crash.

too many other vendors out there to buy from that you have never heard a bad thing about to risk using that cap stuff.




Belive what you want, as they say there are two sides to every story. I know several cars that run them and have no problems what so ever. They are rece parts and should be used as such.

BTW do you have a race car?

They hold up well when used properly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQMYWdYWcuU

This is my buddy Ross' car and he has been abuseing his CAP control arms this way for the last 3 seasons.
Posted By: 68Fastback

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/27/10 06:23 AM

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I am building a street car for my wife, and have already purchased the tubular CAP k-frame from a private party, but, I just wanted to get some feedback (Good, bad, in-different) from some of you that may have used these parts that CAP offers. Thanks in advance!!

www.capautoproducts.com


Chris




Hey Chris hows it going, as you see you will get both sides of the coin on those arms but I am with Ron Silva, get in touch with member Bondo Bob for a set of his arms, trust me its a no brainer you will be very happy you did.

Jesse
Posted By: cogen80

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/27/10 12:06 PM




hey its your life. just better hope you don't kill someone other then your self running that crap.












Posted By: jim sciortino

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/27/10 12:37 PM

ALTERKTION
Posted By: Hemiroid

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/27/10 01:00 PM

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hey its your life. just better hope you don't kill someone other then your self running that crap.

















Wow!! That looks pretty shabby. After hearing Rons observations and seeing those pics I think I'll stick with Bob.
Posted By: 72chrgrally

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/27/10 02:04 PM

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hey its your life. just better hope you don't kill someone other then your self running that crap.




You sir can got to hell! I would use other words but this is a family site. I never said I had one of his k-members, just the control arms. The pic of the broken one is from the tool with the pro street Road Runner that had no business running race car parts on the street!

I really hate this place some times, it would seem that many members here are just a bunch of fear mongers, if one person has a problem or something blows up all the broken parts are condemed as garbage. Wether it's Indy heads, Comp lifters, 440 Sorce, Mopar Performance, Magnum Force who ever the flavour of the day is. You people have your preferred suppliers and that is the only places that are "worthy" for everyone to buy from. These are aftermarket race parts and should be treated as such, a drag car is not a street car and these parts are not designed for dodging potholes and curbs.

So on that note I will race with my CAP upper control arms knowing that they will not fail because I know what they are intended for.

crogen80 welcome to my ignore list, you are the only one there. That is all, I will not post on this topic again. And you never did answer my question, "DO YOU HAVE A RACE CAR??"
Steve
Posted By: The Shadow

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/27/10 02:57 PM

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hey its your life. just better hope you don't kill someone other then your self running that crap.




You sir can got to hell! I would use other words but this is a family site. I never said I had one of his k-members, just the control arms. The pic of the broken one is from the tool with the pro street Road Runner that had no business running race car parts on the street!

I really hate this place some times, it would seem that many members here are just a bunch of fear mongers, if one person has a problem or something blows up all the broken parts are condemed as garbage. Wether it's Indy heads, Comp lifters, 440 Sorce, Mopar Performance, Magnum Force who ever the flavour of the day is. You people have your preferred suppliers and that is the only places that are "worthy" for everyone to buy from. These are aftermarket race parts and should be treated as such, a drag car is not a street car and these parts are not designed for dodging potholes and curbs.

So on that note I will race with my CAP upper control arms knowing that they will not fail because I know what they are intended for.

crogen80 welcome to my ignore list, you are the only one there. That is all, I will not post on this topic again. And you never did answer my question, "DO YOU HAVE A RACE CAR??"
Steve



WoW Steve, somebody found your button
I can honestly say that k frame looks like it was built by a kindergarten fab class.
I'm running cap uppers. I just keep an eye on them.
Posted By: cogen80

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/27/10 03:43 PM

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hey its your life. just better hope you don't kill someone other then your self running that crap.




You sir can got to hell! I would use other words but this is a family site. I never said I had one of his k-members, just the control arms. The pic of the broken one is from the tool with the pro street Road Runner that had no business running race car parts on the street!

I really hate this place some times, it would seem that many members here are just a bunch of fear mongers, if one person has a problem or something blows up all the broken parts are condemed as garbage. Wether it's Indy heads, Comp lifters, 440 Sorce, Mopar Performance, Magnum Force who ever the flavour of the day is. You people have your preferred suppliers and that is the only places that are "worthy" for everyone to buy from. These are aftermarket race parts and should be treated as such, a drag car is not a street car and these parts are not designed for dodging potholes and curbs.

So on that note I will race with my CAP upper control arms knowing that they will not fail because I know what they are intended for.

crogen80 welcome to my ignore list, you are the only one there. That is all, I will not post on this topic again. And you never did answer my question, "DO YOU HAVE A RACE CAR??"
Steve





like i said its your life.


race car? hell i wouldn't even use that junk on a go-kart.




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that had no business running race car parts on the street!




hey genius, where does it say they are race only parts??

http://www.capautoproducts.com/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=8fc32a166878bc501bbc013e390c4890

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Mopar B body Upper Control Arms- Stainless Ends Mopar B body Upp

Mopar B body Upper Control Arms with Stainless Steel ends and Urethane Bushings. These are are designed for Street/Strip Application. They fit ALL B body cars. They are JIG machined and JIG welded. They have 3 Degree of CASTER built in and adjust to 7! They come Powder Coated in Black. Additional colors available at no cost.




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Mopar E body Upper Control Arms with Stainless Ends and bushings. This style ends are generally used for Street/Strip applications. These arms fit ALL "E" body cars. They are JIG machined and JIG welded. They have 3 Degree of CASTER built in and adjust to 7! They come Powder Coated in Black. Additional colors available at no cost.





and its not about favorite vendors. i said that there are plenty of other vendors out there that you never hear of a anyone having a problem with to justify putting yourself or others in danger using the cap stuff. its simple common sense.
Posted By: Ron Silva

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/27/10 04:24 PM

OK, the original post was asking for a street car.

Chris, I will give you two of your own words/reasons to be careful what parts you use.


WIFE

STREET



But you will have to evaluate what you have and make your own decision.
Posted By: B1CUDA

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/27/10 05:08 PM

Thank you to all of you who have responded, particularly Ron, as I have seen your attention to detail with your Demon and the Valiant......they speak for themselves.

I have one of the first Alterktion front ends on my race car, and it has been outstanding in every way. The only reason why I inquired about the CAP stuff, is because I got a fairly good deal on the K-frame for my Valiant.

Bob's stuff looks good, but, does he make his front end kit for the 63-66 A-bodies??

Once again, Thank you, to all of you that have responded.

Ron, I forgot to add that, not only will my wife be rumbling around in this thing, my two boys will most likely be in the backseat, grinning from ear to ear. (I have brainwashed them early)
Posted By: SB449VALIANT

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/27/10 05:17 PM

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Thank you to all of you who have responded, particularly Ron, as I have seen your attention to detail with your Demon and the Valiant......they speak for themselves.

I have one of the first Alterktion front ends on my race car, and it has been outstanding in every way. The only reason why I inquired about the CAP stuff, is because I got a fairly good deal on the K-frame for my Valiant.

Bob's stuff looks good, but, does he make his front end kit for the 63-66 A-bodies??

Once again, Thank you, to all of you that have responded.

Ron, I forgot to add that, not only will my wife be rumbling around in this thing, my two boys will most likely be in the backseat, grinning from ear to ear. (I have brainwashed them early)




Im pretty sure he does a Complete susp kit for the early guys.....
Posted By: 8secDart

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/27/10 11:56 PM

First off I have no stock in CAP.But I can tell you I have put 5 sets of his uppers on.
The picture is BS PLAIN AND SIMPLE.The dumba$$ ran over the curb or something.
I have a customer that had a wreck in his Duster.He was hit in the front end at 70 mph and the control arm held up great.I have stood cars on the back bumper and had hard landings with no problem.
So to the people that bad mouth a company because of one picture it pisses my off.
Key board racers get a life.
Posted By: TheBlackCar

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/28/10 02:10 AM

Bought a set of E-body uppers this past year and had to put one in the press because it was a little wide. Other than that little issue and making travel limiters, they adjusted out nice and seem to be holding up well.
Posted By: 3ddart

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/28/10 12:52 PM

what type of material are the cap 1s made of? (serious answers please)
Posted By: Ron Silva

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/28/10 02:33 PM

The K-Members are supposedly made out of DOM mild steel. But the second one he sent me had a piece of welded tubing with a seam. I only knew this because I asked that he send mine unpainted.
Posted By: mopowers

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/28/10 04:25 PM

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The K-Members are supposedly made out of DOM mild steel. But the second one he sent me had a piece of welded tubing with a seam. I only knew this because I asked that he send mine unpainted.




That in itself is enough to make me never buy anything from them. That's about as dishonest as they come. I'm surprised they didn't use black pipe.
Posted By: Tig

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/28/10 06:06 PM

Looking at the Caps website and customers rides, I'm sure I recognise a few cars that are on there. Mine is one of them. I've ordered the parts but haven't fitted them yet. I got the uppers from Mancinis but the dynamic struts and tie rod adjusters from Ray.
I also bought them before I saw this thread. I'm pretty confident that they'll be up to the job, going off the positive testamonials on here. I don't plan on driving into the kerb either but these things happen.
I will be keeping an eye on things but I would have done that with anyones stuff.
Just my

I've done a quick google and as far as I can tell, Drawn Over Mandrel steel tubing does indeed have a welded seam.
Posted By: MAXEDWEDGE

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 01/28/10 08:10 PM

WOW I JUST READ SOME OF THE POSTS. I JUST BOUGHT THEIR FRONT END KIT K-FRAME ,RACK,UPPER&LOWER ARMS .THE WORKMANSHIP WAS TOP NOTCH SO WAS THE K-FRAME FIT . I HAD NO PROBLEMS . I THINK THESE PEPLE JUST LIKE TO [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean]! I THINK THEY NEED TO GET A LIFE OR MAYBE A JOB .
Posted By: Tig

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 02/01/10 06:13 PM

Upper arms arrived Saturday. Dont have any issues with them, they look well built.
Posted By: Crocker

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 02/01/10 07:17 PM

I got a set of Cap Uca's on my barracuda...2 years and a few thousand miles with no problems. Just checked the welds..perfect (correct penetration etc). Quality/fitment?...excellent... of course, as a genral rule,I don't bounce my car off curbs etc....
Posted By: cudabin

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 02/02/10 02:40 AM

I bought a set of UCA's , LCA's, and Adjustable strut rods from CAP. Ray was great to deal with and the product has held up to several hard landings from wheelies...

Alignment still good, and the welds look good.

Cheers,

Arnie
Posted By: stevehiss

Re: CAP Auto Products front suspension thoughts/feedback??? - 02/02/10 10:24 PM

i bought some arms for my duster a couple of years ago and they are pretty nice and he seemed like a good guy and i street drive all over the detroit metro area , weather permitting


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