Posted By: dodgeboy11
440 hp guesses - 01/10/10 10:25 PM
440, TQ50 Erson cam. 228/236 @ .050 110 ls ICL 106. Ported 452 heads, flat top KB pistons .005 out. Torker II intake. 1.6 rockers to the tune of .500 lift (give or take). 750 DP.
440 hp guesses
Posted By: Dodgem
Re: 440 hp guesses - 01/10/10 10:54 PM
Well my pick would have been an RPM performer intake especially with that mild cam???
otherwise looks good for a truck but going past 450 with that cam will be a push!!
Good Luck
otherwise looks good for a truck but going past 450 with that cam will be a push!!
Good Luck
Posted By: dodgeboy11
Re: 440 hp guesses - 01/10/10 11:00 PM
I agree the cam is a bit small, hoping the heads make up for it. My hp guesses are based on a 428 ford I dynoed with this same cam but worse heads and intake. It made 430 hp. I figure the inches should make up for a bit and the better (IMO) bore to stroke ratio. Someday I may change the cam, most certainly will change the heads, but beggars can't be choosers and I was given the cam and I already had the heads with the valves.
Posted By: Dodgem
Re: 440 hp guesses - 01/10/10 11:09 PM
I agree the one thing I would try to beg borrow or steal would be an RPM performer they work great to 6500 rpm
Posted By: topside
Re: 440 hp guesses - 01/10/10 11:32 PM
I'd want more lift for that duration, using 1.6 rockers if you're locked into that cam. I agree on using a dual-plane intake.
Posted By: d-150
Re: 440 hp guesses - 01/11/10 02:11 AM
i put a 440 in my truck 484 mopar cam stock compression. i used the torker 2.it was soggy on bottom end.added a 1 inch 4 hole spacer huge difference lowend. so only intake you got try that
Posted By: dodgeboy11
Re: 440 hp guesses - 01/11/10 03:13 AM
Brand spankin' new intake. Cheaper than the RPM and lower so I can use a spacer for better top end if necessary. Not that it's going to be an issue. I may regret it but I'm thinking of running the PRW 1.7 rockers. They're basically CAT rockers, but the set we have at work actually lived and so I'm going to give them a try. Probably end up regretting it.
Soggy on the bottom isn't necessarily a bad thing. This truck has always had an issue with breaking the tires loose when I least want it to so a little "sog" might be just what the doctor ordered.
Soggy on the bottom isn't necessarily a bad thing. This truck has always had an issue with breaking the tires loose when I least want it to so a little "sog" might be just what the doctor ordered.
Posted By: Cab_Burge
Re: 440 hp guesses - 01/11/10 03:57 AM
If the pistons are .005 above the deck(440 stock stroke) and those 452 heads are 90.0 CC or so I would worry about pinging and detonation with the iron heads on pump gas 
I have dyno tested similar combinations with 9.5 to 1 or so comp ratio on premuim CA pump gas with the Torquer II versus a M1 single plain versus a Eddy Performer RPM on the same motor, same day, same carb and fuel, the Torquer II was the weakest on torque and HP all the way through the RPM range, 2500 RPM to 6000 RPM 
IHTHs 
I have dyno tested similar combinations with 9.5 to 1 or so comp ratio on premuim CA pump gas with the Torquer II versus a M1 single plain versus a Eddy Performer RPM on the same motor, same day, same carb and fuel, the Torquer II was the weakest on torque and HP all the way through the RPM range, 2500 RPM to 6000 RPM IHTHs
Posted By: dodgeboy11
Re: 440 hp guesses - 01/11/10 06:07 AM
I am a little worried about detonation with the junk open chambers, but I'll deal with it until I can afford a set of Perf RPM heads, at which point I will have to pony up for some better gaskets in the .045-.050" thick range to keep the quench right. Though I'm tempted to leave it tight and see how it runs. Being a hyper piston and fairly tight piston to cylinder, I think .034" to .030" quench might work. Though I'll prolly chicken out and just run the thicker gaskets.
Were the manifolds all matched to the heads? This manifold is small in the runners and I'm expecting a happy medium between the RPM and something larger, like a victor or M1.
Were the manifolds all matched to the heads? This manifold is small in the runners and I'm expecting a happy medium between the RPM and something larger, like a victor or M1.
Posted By: Cab_Burge
Re: 440 hp guesses - 01/11/10 07:25 AM
The torquer and RPM where not cut for that motor, both bolted on.The M1 was cut to fit that motor and fit very well, no intake port matching on any of them, they where all smaller ports on the intake side than the heads where. The RPM was sucking oil up thru the intake valley on the dyno a tiny bit, I ended up having the sides cut to make it fit. It is a pump gas street motor in a 1965 Plymouth Satelite whith air, power steering buckets seats console and all the other creature comforts, 3:55 gears and 275x60x15 rear tires. Most of its life will be below 3500 RPM and it is a bunch better at thsoe RPMs than the M1 single plane intake is
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: 440 hp guesses - 01/11/10 12:16 PM
I'd try the 488 summit cam and an rpm intake if you can get ine.. But should run well as is.
Posted By: dodgeboy11
Re: 440 hp guesses *DELETED* - 01/24/10 06:11 AM
Results are in. 485 hp @ 5400 and 507 tq @ 4400. Guess the ported heads were worth more than I thought. Pulls real nice to 6000.
Posted By: Dodgem
Re: 440 hp guesses *DELETED* - 01/24/10 02:55 PM
Cool what fuel did you pull on?
Posted By: dodgeboy11
Re: 440 hp guesses *DELETED* - 01/25/10 04:31 AM
Pump 91. I limited the timing to 38. It picked up ten hp from 36. Rear main was leaking so I pulled it off to fix. Had it back on but the sillycone wasn't set up so I pulled it back off the dyno and took it home. Hope it's fixed. Wish I'd had more time on the dyno, but it ran so good and it repeated within 1 hp with back to back pulls.
It's finally in the truck too. Not running yet, but hopefully soon.
It's finally in the truck too. Not running yet, but hopefully soon.
Posted By: Thumperdart
Re: 440 hp guesses *DELETED* - 01/25/10 05:23 AM
With that small cam I`m thinking the cranking comp is going to be aproaching 200 psi and if that`s the case, I`d be amazed if it didn`t ping at 38 timing pushing a big truck.
Posted By: BDS871Cuda
Re: 440 hp guesses *DELETED* - 01/25/10 03:18 PM
Quote:
Results are in. 485 hp @ 5400 and 507 tq @ 4400. Guess the ported heads were worth more than I thought. Pulls real nice to 6000.
Now put a bigger cam in there so you can make good use of the ported heads and the easy
6000 rpm range. Maybe 520 HP & 530 ft. lbs.
Just an after thought.
Posted By: Dodgem
Re: 440 hp guesses *DELETED* - 01/25/10 03:25 PM
Well it works good on 91 wonder how it will be in actual driving conditions?? Congrats
Posted By: 440forPOWER
Re: 440 hp guesses *DELETED* - 01/25/10 03:32 PM
Nice mild combo. What size header did you dyno with?
Posted By: Thumperdart
Re: 440 hp guesses *DELETED* - 01/25/10 03:40 PM
Quote:That`s my point.........my timing`s at 32 degs for best results on 91 pump. I know a dyno loads the motor but don`t think it the same as moving several thousand pounds down the street.
Well it works good on 91 wonder how it will be in actual driving conditions?? Congrats
Posted By: Dodgem
Re: 440 hp guesses *DELETED* - 01/25/10 06:25 PM
Quote:Quote:That`s my point.........my timing`s at 32 degs for best results on 91 pump. I know a dyno loads the motor but don`t think it the same as moving several thousand pounds down the street.
Well it works good on 91 wonder how it will be in actual driving conditions?? Congrats
Yes the motor has more time to get hot spots. a 2200 stall will load the engine at 2200 where the dyno may have been at 4500??
Be interest to see how it does work out on the street!
Posted By: dodgeboy11
Re: 440 hp guesses *DELETED* - 01/26/10 05:34 AM
Truck's at about 4600 lbs. I started the pulls at 3500 but the dyno drug it down to 3000 at WOT and the plugs showed no signs of detonation. The first 360 I had in it was approximately 9:1 and it was a detonation king. Ran pretty good, but it had to run on premium. The last motor before this 440 was also a 360 but with tight quench (.035") and mag r/t heads. It runs on 85 octane and makes more power than the old 360. But I yanked it and stuffed it in the challenger.
I expect the truck will want less timing than the total 38, but I might be pleasantly surprised. Remember guys, I'm at 4400 feet. Rarely get below 3500. I think I coulda found another 15 or so hp with a 850 or 950, but I didn't have time to play, just cam break in and a few pulls to get the carb dialed in.
I know the 11.2:1 408 I had that broke that lovely beagle crank wouldn't ping on 89 at 5500 ft. Beggars can't be choosers. Eventually it'll have some RPM's on it.
Oh, headers were 1-7/8" I believe.
I expect the truck will want less timing than the total 38, but I might be pleasantly surprised. Remember guys, I'm at 4400 feet. Rarely get below 3500. I think I coulda found another 15 or so hp with a 850 or 950, but I didn't have time to play, just cam break in and a few pulls to get the carb dialed in.
I know the 11.2:1 408 I had that broke that lovely beagle crank wouldn't ping on 89 at 5500 ft. Beggars can't be choosers. Eventually it'll have some RPM's on it.
Oh, headers were 1-7/8" I believe.
Posted By: Dodgem
Re: 440 hp guesses *DELETED* - 01/26/10 01:04 PM
4400 feet will make a big impact let us know how it runs!
Posted By: dodgeboy11
Re: 440 hp guesses *DELETED* - 01/29/10 05:02 AM
Well it runs about as I expected. 2nd gear (it's a four speed stick, granny low) is useless. I either get wheel hop or it tries to send me off the road. Third gear's fun but the closest road with a speed limit high enough I feel comfortable enough to open it up is a distance away.
I'm happy.
I'm happy.
Posted By: Dodgem
Re: 440 hp guesses *DELETED* - 01/29/10 03:55 PM
Sounds cool!