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w5 dyno
Posted By: arc
w5 dyno - 03/11/07 02:43 PM
some dyno numbers from a 408 w5 with a set of shadydell heads we did for a customer in long island
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 02:44 PM
one more
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 02:50 PM
So what was the final torque number or is the first
line it? Give us a little low down of it. Nice
HP number on it
Posted By: 340RICK
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 02:54 PM
Yea give us the whole run down and some #'s
I cant read your attachment my puter made it real small.
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 03:01 PM
574 at 5900 hp 738 7300 it think you can make the sheet bigger on your screen by clicking on it
Posted By: J_BODY
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 04:10 PM
more info!!
Was that a set of the CNC ported W5's? What intake? Cam specs? etc.....
Posted By: 340RICK
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 04:20 PM
WOW that is some BIG #'s
Be prepared the doubters will be coming
I have a big camshaft in my 416 with CNC W5's and mine made peak HP at 6900 rpm and peak TQ at 5200 rpm
I thought my peaks would be in the neighborhood of yours with my camshaft. Something to think about forsure.
Is your engine classified info or do you plan on sharing with us. I would love to see all the deatils on the engine
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 04:20 PM
hand ported by shady dell scat 4" crank ,mgp rods, je gas ported pistons, cam motion 680 lift cam and td rockers
Posted By: 340RICK
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 04:22 PM
what compression and what intake and carb did you have on it
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 04:50 PM
how much did your motor make this is the frist we used this dyno but a stuska # are lower then superflow # from what i have seen stuska is what we dynoed it on the last time we dynoed this motor it was a 386 with w5 not ported by shady and less com it made 638 and we also have alot better pan on the motor now the real # are how fast it gose so we will see here is the old sheet
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 04:52 PM
14.4 to 1 cast w5 manifold with a aed 1050 carb
Posted By: 340RICK
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 05:02 PM
Mine made 670 at 6900 and 557 at 5200
Dyno #'s always gets everyone fired up.
My 416 is 11.3 to 1 cam is 278 and 284 at 50
indy intake and 1050 dom
went a best of 9.96 at 136.75 which is way faster than I thougt. This is on leafs and thru the exhaust. So its making some steam
When will this engine make it to the track and in what kinda car. Track results is where it counts but dynos are good for fix'n leaks and making adjstments
Posted By: B1duster
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 05:07 PM
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some dyno numbers from a 408 w5 with a set of shadydell heads we did for a customer in long island
Nice #s Does that belong to a guy with a white duster ?
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 05:12 PM
how heavy is your car your car
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 03/11/07 05:19 PM
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some dyno numbers from a 408 w5 with a set of shadydell heads we did for a customer in long island
Nice #s Does that belong to a guy with a white duster ?
no a 64 a black valaint the guys name is karl
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: w5 dyno - 03/12/07 03:10 PM
Those are some big #'s for sure....
All I'll want to see is Weight & MPH when it goes down the track. Karl should be happy.....
I did'nt realize you read/posted on moparts Alan.
Those heads are also angle milled to 16 degrees, and have what? a 42 CC chamber? Neat set of 5's, I did a true "round" exhaust port on them. Only set I have done like that. Here's couple pics of the heads, I ported them at least a year ago.
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: w5 dyno - 03/12/07 03:13 PM
EX
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: w5 dyno - 03/12/07 03:15 PM
Chamber
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: w5 dyno - 03/12/07 03:16 PM
IN Bowl
Posted By: 68Fastback
Re: w5 dyno - 03/13/07 12:17 AM
Ryan you must have the largest small block picture collection on your computer/computers.
Jesse
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: w5 dyno - 03/13/07 10:55 PM
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Ryan you must have the largest small block picture collection on your computer/computers.
Jesse
Is that a bad thing?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: w5 dyno - 03/13/07 11:03 PM
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Ryan you must have the largest small block picture collection on your computer/computers.
Jesse
Is that a bad thing?
I do believe he has more W series heads than Mopar has
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: w5 dyno - 03/13/07 11:20 PM
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Ryan you must have the largest small block picture collection on your computer/computers.
Jesse
Is that a bad thing?
I do believe he has more W series heads than Mopar has
Posted By: 68Fastback
Re: w5 dyno - 03/14/07 01:38 AM
Heck Ryan of course its a good thing, in your spare time you should put out your own how to HP on small blocks book.
Jesse
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Ryan you must have the largest small block picture collection on your computer/computers.
Jesse
Is that a bad thing?
I have been telling him that for months and months........he has so so so much knowledge and it needs to be in black and white and published...he has a gold mine there i am telling ya.......
a book....
he needs to finish my engine first
Posted By: bumps440
Re: w5 dyno - 03/14/07 04:02 AM
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some dyno numbers from a 408 w5 with a set of shadydell heads we did for a customer in long island
Hey Alan ...Its about time....karl will be happy!
I love the car that it will be going into
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: w5 dyno - 03/14/07 03:08 PM
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a book.... he needs to finish my engine first
You need to go get working to pay for it
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a book.... he needs to finish my engine first
You need to go get working to pay for it
working???that's what iam always doing
Ryan I hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question but what makes that torque curve so flat?
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Ryan I hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question but what makes that torque curve so flat?
intake port velocity..and good exhaust scavenge.
cheapst.
Posted By: DavidDean
Re: w5 dyno - 01/11/08 03:33 AM
Just saving this,WOW!
Posted By: S/ST 3040
Re: w5 dyno - 01/11/08 03:54 AM
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Just saving this,WOW!
Aawww! Why not?
Do you have this one?
Posted By: StrokedW7
Re: w5 dyno - 01/11/08 01:32 PM
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... All I'll want to see is Weight & MPH when it goes down the track.
So how did it do at the track?
Steve
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 01/11/08 01:55 PM
Karl only went out twice with the car once it rained the other he did his lic runs He trans braked it only on the 6 run it 60 1.24 the car has 5.13 gears on the 5 and 6 runs he hit the 7800 cip about 1000 foot mark so we still have some work to do on the car but on 6 run it went 9.71 at 141
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: w5 dyno - 01/11/08 03:15 PM
I'll be looking forward to see what the car does this year once get some real 1/4 passes on it. Sounds like need to pull some gear out of it.
Posted By: DavidDean
Re: w5 dyno - 01/11/08 03:22 PM
The 60' must have been FUN!
Posted By: StrokedW7
Re: w5 dyno - 01/11/08 03:54 PM
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Karl only went out twice with the car once it rained the other he did his lic runs He trans braked it only on the 6 run it 60 1.24 the car has 5.13 gears on the 5 and 6 runs he hit the 7800 cip about 1000 foot mark so we still have some work to do on the car but on 6 run it went 9.71 at 141
Great! Any pictures of the car? Any idea what his race weight is?
Steve
that motor is still pulling....too...
those are some serious numbers for a 408"
close to 2hp @ cube...
Hey Ryan..do you remember me saying about 5 yrs ago..that w-5's were where its at?
You certainly seem to have those puppies figured out...
if you could get them re-popped ..? that would be sweet..
then we could ditch the 360-1 /2's
i wish i had more money to spend.
cheaspt.
this 368" W-5 made 511hp 468 fttq should have never let it get away..
but the exhaust ports didnt look like yours
cheapst.
done right those w-5's are Freeks...
Geez, this makes me want to put my W5's on more and more! I just need some more parts!
Posted By: bad360rt
Re: w5 dyno - 01/11/08 10:16 PM
That's a bad 408 right there.
Can't wait to see what kind of power my W5's make.
Posted By: S/ST 3040
Re: w5 dyno - 01/08/10 01:19 PM
Digging through some more old stuff............
Did this car make any passes yet?
Posted By: MegaDart
Re: w5 dyno - 01/08/10 01:54 PM
nice #'s arc!
didn't anyone HERE tell you it is impossible to make 700+hp with a 59* sb??
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I'll be looking forward to see what the car does this year once get some real 1/4 passes on it. Sounds like need to pull some gear out of it.
Ryan, if the engine is up to it (valvetrain), maybe leave the gear and move the chip.
7800 isn't even 500 over peak and it looks like it holds on pretty good on the sheet.
Crossing 800-1000 over peak might produce the best ET.
What do ya think???
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: w5 dyno - 01/08/10 02:30 PM
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I'll be looking forward to see what the car does this year once get some real 1/4 passes on it. Sounds like need to pull some gear out of it.
Ryan, if the engine is up to it (valvetrain), maybe leave the gear and move the chip.
7800 isn't even 500 over peak and it looks like it holds on pretty good on the sheet.
Crossing 800-1000 over peak might produce the best ET.
What do ya think???
I just ported the heads & did the machining on the heads.... So I don't have alot of input on it.. ARC built it & it's owned by another guy in LI...
As far as I know it's never been back to track after licensing passes, but I hav'nt asked anyone about it, so that could be wrong. I think it went back to ARC's shop to get ladder barred? or More tire or something done in rear suspension..... I was told the race weight @ one time but I do not remember what it was, I want to say it is fairly light, under 3000 race weight, but again, that is going off of something I was told probably 2 years ago.... my memory is not THAT good. I know ARC is still popping around here a little as he just PM'd me the other day so maybe Alan will see this & chime in.
My opinion on orig question would be..... That thing has steel valves in it, & probably 8000-8100 would be about as high as I'd want to turn it.
Posted By: emarine01
Re: w5 dyno - 01/08/10 02:58 PM
Nice job on the heads
How much of a PITA was angle milling the 2*?
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 01/08/10 03:22 PM
we got the car out in oct for a t&t it went 9.50s but with a good 60 1.24 Carl is a new racer so some of the passes he lifted but it runs good no popping there are other things 2 work out on the car The trans is spraying fluid all over and is spining on the the gear change from 1 to 2 The car has a 904 that i did not wont it needs a powerglide but what do i know so i think it runs ok but is .3 to .4 off for power it made I did a 4link in the car with carbon tubs & int it looks very nice
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 01/08/10 03:29 PM
one other thing we still have not made a pass with the vacuum pump on it made 26 more hp with it
Posted By: Coldart
Re: w5 dyno - 01/08/10 07:56 PM
what w5 intake used small or large runner?
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 01/08/10 11:25 PM
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what w5 intake used small or large runner?
large runner 4500
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/17/10 04:48 AM
just a update if any one cares i got a pass in the car today karl had a bad day he didn't a good pass all day so i got in it late it went 9.37 at 144.77 we got some more work but were getting there
thats one quick small block
we w5 headed engines care for sure - keep us updated - way to go.
Posted By: HardcoreB
Re: w5 dyno - 05/17/10 11:47 AM
Wow...impressive!
Thanks for the update.
Posted By: S/ST 3040
Re: w5 dyno - 05/17/10 11:57 AM
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just a update if any one cares i got a pass in the car today karl had a bad day he didn't a good pass all day so i got in it late it went 9.37 at 144.77 we got some more work but were getting there
Alan.......that's a good running W-5. What's the race weight?
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/17/10 12:02 PM
2750 with me in it 2690 with karl
Posted By: S/ST 3040
Re: w5 dyno - 05/17/10 12:30 PM
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2750 with me in it 2690 with karl
I know the Moroso Power/Speed calculator don't correlate to most
dynos but, I get 670 HP on that package.........and that's on the
high end of the W-5 scale compared to most.
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/17/10 01:24 PM
I think that is 670 rear wheel hp . I know it will go 9 teens now i was on the chip more then i was off it the air shifter broke so we had to shift it are self lets just say iam out of practice on shifting a 3 speed . we will make some changes and get back out there
What block are you using?
Posted By: Ian
Re: w5 dyno - 05/17/10 05:27 PM
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that motor is still pulling....too...
those are some serious numbers for a 408"
close to 2hp @ cube...
Hey Ryan..do you remember me saying about 5 yrs ago..that w-5's were where its at?
You certainly seem to have those puppies figured out...
if you could get them re-popped ..? that would be sweet..
then we could ditch the 360-1 /2's
i wish i had more money to spend.
cheaspt.
this 368" W-5 made 511hp 468 fttq should have never let it get away..
but the exhaust ports didnt look like yours
cheapst.
done right those w-5's are Freeks...
your dreams may come true from what i know.
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/17/10 06:59 PM
r3 59 %
Posted By: emarine01
Re: w5 dyno - 05/17/10 10:00 PM
Impressive build, did you use flat tops with the small chambers? Can you give more info on the cam
Posted By: arc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/18/10 12:15 AM
flat top je piston i got pull out the cam card
Posted By: emarine01
Re: w5 dyno - 05/19/10 02:15 PM
Any other W5 projects goin on , Vic did you start up yet?
Posted By: S/ST 3040
Re: w5 dyno - 05/20/10 01:07 AM
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Any other W5 projects goin on , Vic did you start up yet?
No W-5 build here for a while. Too many irons in the fire.
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: w5 dyno - 05/20/10 02:05 AM
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: w5 dyno - 05/20/10 02:06 AM
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A few pic's of Carl R's little Valiant
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: w5 dyno - 05/20/10 02:07 AM
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A few pic's of Carl R's little Valiant
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Re: w5 dyno - 05/20/10 02:13 AM
Posted By: barryc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/20/10 11:37 AM
you said the cam was 680 lift. Can you be more specific: in/ & ex. duration @.50, in/ & ex. lift.
As far as intakes: get RyanJ to port an indy W-2 to fit a W-5. It is much better than an M-1.
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: w5 dyno - 05/20/10 12:39 PM
How did the Challenger run Barry?
Posted By: barryc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/20/10 01:01 PM
Best was 9.007 @ 146. Atco last fall. Sunday at Englishtown went 9.12 @ 144
The car runs great but still looking for that 8.99.
I think the cam might be a little off. It is 284/288 @ .650 lift. You think its too much duration? By the way, the indy manifold is hands down the best to use. Last year I switched it to an M-1 and lost 2 tenths.
Posted By: prochamp
Re: w5 dyno - 05/20/10 01:02 PM
yeah i got one.stock stroke 345".prior worn out ole 346" went 10.02 @ 132 3000#.little more porting on the heads with new valves.little more porting on the indy -1 intake plenum.gonna be able to get a little more lift cam in it with a little more compression a few extra oiling mods hoping to crack the nines with it...we'll see.may be ready for pittsburgh.
Posted By: Bill_G
Re: w5 dyno - 05/20/10 02:39 PM
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ARC at the wheel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN3-OqzUuiI
What did Carl R's car go in that video, I could not make it out.
Bill
Posted By: B3422W5
Re: w5 dyno - 05/20/10 03:40 PM
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2750 with me in it 2690 with karl
I know the Moroso Power/Speed calculator don't correlate to most
dynos but, I get 670 HP on that package.........and that's on the
high end of the W-5 scale compared to most.
i used the speed calculator on this site..taking 2750 pounds and the mph he gave is 651 ponies.
as a comparison, my old car at 3350 went 134.71, 639 ponies using the same calculator..i ran a 727 compared to this 904, so a good running motor no doubt, but typical of a w5 build power wise.
great job, you guys should be very happy
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: w5 dyno - 05/20/10 04:27 PM
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Best was 9.007 @ 146. Atco last fall. Sunday at Englishtown went 9.12 @ 144
The car runs great but still looking for that 8.99.
I think the cam might be a little off. It is 284/288 @ .650 lift. You think its too much duration? By the way, the indy manifold is hands down the best to use. Last year I switched it to an M-1 and lost 2 tenths.
Barry, what does your Challenger weigh? (& for those who don't know or had'nt figured it out, it also has a W5 motor in it, W/ set of SDSS hand port 5's)
Your MPH is little low for the ET.
Yes I am not surpised the 4500 Converted ICH manifold I did for you is faster than an M1....Great looking E body
You guys got good little bunch of well running SB Mopars out there @ Englishtown these days....with those W5 cars & I know ARC has a couple good running W9's out there as well... Hopefully I can get Andy Bittle's new 439" ICH 360-1 motor done soon so he can join in the fun.
Posted By: barryc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/20/10 04:45 PM
Ryan,
Car weighs 2700 with me in it. 60 ft. is 1.24. 1/8 mile mph is 117. The car never was big on mph. Still thinking about the cam. It is a Comp Cams part # 20-716-9. Engine made peak torque at 5200 and peak HP at 6400.
Barry
Posted By: barryc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 10:54 AM
What determines where an engine makes peak power.Is it the cam? Is it port size?
Seems my 422" W5 makes power much lower than most. Peak HP is
680@6300, and peak torque is
535@5200.
Posted By: emarine01
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 12:27 PM
With a cam in the
280s@.050 I would think the max power should be well into the 7k range, do you have all the cam and spring specs and any air flow on the w5s, What is the comp ratio?
Posted By: barryc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 12:59 PM
OK, Got out the specs and dyno sheet:
torque: 575 @ 5200
HP: 680 @ 6800
Cam: 275/284 @ .050
Lift .658/.661
Head flow: 319 @ .600, 327 @ .650 intake
235 @ .600, 238 @ .650
Compression is 14:1
Springs are K Motion 950's
Posted By: emarine01
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 01:12 PM
That sounds about right, With out knowing where the cam is installed and lsa, there is probably more power there with someone smarter than me giving advice
Posted By: barryc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 02:49 PM
Cam specs say lsa is 108 and it is installed at 108. Does advancing the cam make more power or just move the power band higher?
Posted By: dizuster
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 04:32 PM
Advancing the cam will actually move the power band lower because it's closing the intake valve sooner.
It may or may not make more power. Depends if the head flow chokes the engine at the higher RPM, or if the later intake valve closing overcomes it.
Hard to say...
But it must not be too far off, cause that combo fly's pretty good...
Posted By: emarine01
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 05:52 PM
Are you sure its installed @ 108, for the power curve I would think its 4 to 6 degrees advanced, But your makin good power right in the easy up keep RPMs, not too much stress on parts below 7k, should be a easy engine for a lot of passes
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 06:24 PM
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OK, Got out the specs and dyno sheet:
torque: 575 @ 5200
HP: 680 @ 6800
Cam: 275/284 @ .050
Lift .658/.661
Head flow: 319 @ .600, 327 @ .650 intake
235 @ .600, 238 @ .650
Compression is 14:1
Springs are K Motion 950's
Peak HP @ 6800 on a 4" crank W5 motor is completely "normal"
Everything looks pretty good to me, probably bit more power in a different cam, but would need different springs as well.. probably not worth screwing with unless you need to see the 8's with it for some reason.
Posted By: barryc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 06:33 PM
Only one reason, so I can say I have a SDSS w5 headed small block that runs in the 8's.
If I was crazy enough to do it, what cam would you recommend?
Posted By: emarine01
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 07:16 PM
How did you get the 14 to 1, domes or flat tops?
Posted By: barryc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 08:19 PM
Dome pistons. Dome height is .210, dome cc is 11.200
Posted By: emarine01
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 08:52 PM
Thankx. good info
any opinions on domes vs angle milling on W5s
Posted By: barryc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 10:14 PM
That is a question for RyanJ. He knows more about small blocks and W5's than I'll ever know.
Posted By: barryc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/25/10 10:16 PM
Ryan,
Why don't W5's use 11/32 valves instead of 3/8. Wouldn't the narrower guide and valve flow better.
Posted By: barryc
Re: w5 dyno - 05/26/10 01:23 PM
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Thankx. good info any opinions on domes vs angle milling on W5s
W5's have a VERY thin deck so dome pistons are THE right choice. If they had thicker decks then angle milling would defintely add potential power.
I'm sure when Ryan does the W5's he replaces the guides with 11/32 or at least installs liners to drop the stem size down.
Lately we've been dropping stem sizes down on Indy stuff to .312 with good results. Lightens up the valve train a bit.
Brian
Posted By: emarine01
Re: w5 dyno - 06/06/10 07:45 PM
Thankx Brian, any rule of thum on cuting W5 decks, like .050 is max?
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Thankx Brian, any rule of thum on cuting W5 decks, like .050 is max?
Uh...from what I've measured, as little as possible!