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Got it torn down

Posted By: WILD BILL

Got it torn down - 12/16/09 04:09 PM

And learned a few things in the process. Scott took a more accurate measurement and found my pistons were actually .102 in the hole. He then recalculated my CR and came up with an honest 8.6 to 1.

As it turns out, the previous shop did not put 6pk rods in. They are LY rods.

He then took a look at where my cam was installed. It was in at 109.5. The timing chain was way loose

I'm gonna have to take a look at the other 440 block that I got as he wasn't to thrilled with the idea of the 4 sleeves in mine. Hopefully it's at the standard bore. For all I know it may even have a forged crank.

I won't get a chance to look at it till tomorrw after noon though.
Posted By: cheapstreetdustr

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 04:10 PM

6pack rods are heavy anyway.....

cheapst.
Posted By: gregsdart

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 04:16 PM

Now that it is apart, you have a lot of options.
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 04:16 PM

I have a sneekin' suspision, it won't go back together with LY rods either.

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 04:19 PM

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I have a sneekin' suspision, it won't go back together with LY rods either.






Has he told you something he's not telling me

So far all that's been discussed is some machining to up the CR and working the heads and intake.
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 04:30 PM

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I have a sneekin' suspision, it won't go back together with LY rods either.






Has he told you something he's not telling me

So far all that's been discussed is some machining to up the CR and working the heads and intake.



Nope, just a guess.

3 points of compression should do it some good.
Posted By: HEMIDARTS

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 04:31 PM

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I have a sneekin' suspision, it won't go back together with LY rods either.






Has he told you something he's not telling me

So far all that's been discussed is some machining to up the CR and working the heads and intake.



A man like that cant leave nothing stock.
You always have to have more HP!!!!
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 04:32 PM

Posted By: sg66mopar

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 04:53 PM

Just tell Scott you want to go 8s and let him figure it out. No better time than the present.
Posted By: Diego_Ted

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 05:14 PM

I have not had good luck with teardowns either, they always went togeather built for more HP and always cost more $$. I am sure Scott will get you the most bang for bank! He is looking to help me get in to the 8s as well.

Diego
Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 06:21 PM

8.6 to 1 CR, 4 sleeves, loose chain, LY rods = 600 HP!!! Man, Scotts gonna get you over 700 HP when hes done i bet! seriously, imho, you are at the limit for those LYs. Time for some H beams.
Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 06:48 PM

4 sleeves is no big deal, You just need some Hemi length rods.

Sheldon
Posted By: emarine01

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 07:28 PM

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4 sleeves is no big deal, You just need some Hemi length rods.

Sheldon

Or a blower
Posted By: 70Cuda383

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 08:23 PM

I always thought sleeves were stronger than an original cylinder wall? I read somewhere that guys would take an engine, sleeve all 8 holes, and use it for a race motor...apparently there was also some questions to the legality of this...I don't remember the details though...maybe they were sleeving a 400 down to a 383? or...
Posted By: scottb

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 08:24 PM

My old R1 block had 5 sleeves in it so the sleeves are no big thing as long as they dont leak
Posted By: Shaker223

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 08:35 PM

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4 sleeves is no big deal, You just need some Hemi length rods.

Sheldon

Or a blower



I was thinking turbo and 20psi
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 08:48 PM

IMO, the sleeves are a good thing, as long as they were done right. And the motor was working just fine. For what you are going to do, replacing the connecting rods with some aftermarket ones is the right thing to do. Even some $400 H-beams are much better than the old LY rods you have.

A magnaflux crack inspection of the crank is in order after previous racing and a tear down.
Posted By: sg66mopar

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 08:51 PM

My motor has 8 sleeves that came in it from the factory.
Posted By: 10secGTX

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 09:22 PM

I would start looking for a dana now, once this engine is done w/ more comp. that means more torque, then your 8 3/4 days are numbered especially with a trans brake. my
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 10:04 PM

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He is looking to help me get in to the 8s as well.




Is that why you were calling yesterday?

I wanted to come to the phone to say but I kinda had my hands full each time you called.
Posted By: cheapstreetdustr

Re: Got it torn down - 12/16/09 10:36 PM

on the sleeve-ing deal..
no doubt its a better cyl to make the rings seal.
i understand on certain blocks webbing design..sleeving all 8 cyl can cause a weak spot in the main web.....main caps..fwiw..
cheapst
Posted By: elephant express

Re: Got it torn down - 12/17/09 03:47 AM

Wild Bill,
Before you spend all that money I have a nice 440. I make you a good deal.
Thanks Joe
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/17/09 03:55 AM

I talked with Scott tonight and got some clarification. It's not that the block has sleeves, it's more about the quality of them and how they were installed.

I also took a minute and went out and did a rough mic of the bores on the other 440 block that I have. It's at 4.319 give or take. I still want to get it in the air to take a look to see if it might have a forged crank.

Gonna have to clean the garage befor I can lift it though
Posted By: dodgeboy11

Re: Got it torn down - 12/17/09 06:46 AM

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I talked with Scott tonight and got some clarification. It's not that the block has sleeves, it's more about the quality of them and how they were installed.

I also took a minute and went out and did a rough mic of the bores on the other 440 block that I have. It's at 4.319 give or take. I still want to get it in the air to take a look to see if it might have a forged crank.

Gonna have to clean the garage befor I can lift it though



Does it still have the balancer on it? If it does, it should be a thin balancer if it's forged. No counterweights on it. If not, look at the back of the crank. Is there a bore for a pilot bushing? Cast 440 cranks don't have one. At least none of the ones I've looked at have had one. Which really sucks cause my truck is a 4 spd. Now I've got to tear down my '71 440 just so I can get the crankshaft out of it.
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Got it torn down - 12/17/09 12:45 PM

I believe pics of the various BB balancers are in the Tech Archives.
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/17/09 01:07 PM

No balancer on it at all.

Basically all that is there is the block, crank, and rods and pistons.

Scott showed how to tell the difference between them so I'll take a look tonight.
Posted By: Diego_Ted

Re: Got it torn down - 12/17/09 02:24 PM

WB, Yes I am starting to get my Ducks in a row for the B1 motor I am going to put in the 51 and who better than the man himself to guide me in the right direction.

Diego
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/17/09 02:28 PM

I couldn't agree more
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/17/09 11:12 PM

I got a chance to look further into that other 440 block this evening.

Looks like a forged crank to me







It's a 72 block that appears to be a standard bore as well. I can't tell for sure but it doesn't look like it has any sleeves in it.

I sprayed a little penatrating oil in the bores and it rolled over quite nicley.

I'm thinking it's well worth the $100 I gave for it.
Posted By: 70Cuda383

Re: Got it torn down - 12/17/09 11:27 PM

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I'm thinking it's well worth the $100 I gave for it.




I'll say!

the 440 block I have I paid $100 for, and it's just a bare block, .040 over, with a ring gouge in 1 cylinder.

not that I'm complaining, I still think $100 for that block is a fair price--if the ring gouge doesnt' come out with a hone job, then I always have the option of a sleeve, or take all 8 to .060
Posted By: maximum entropy

Re: Got it torn down - 12/17/09 11:38 PM

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I'm thinking it's well worth the $100 I gave for it.






it is a forged crank, AND, it has the ly rods and cast pistons you like!
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/17/09 11:45 PM

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it is a forged crank,







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AND, it has the ly rods and cast pistons you like!













Posted By: b1headman

Re: Got it torn down - 12/17/09 11:47 PM

Bill,We do have to do some thing about the color of the block!!! Bright Red like Vern's. Just kidding!!!
Posted By: sg66mopar

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 12:06 AM

Maybe some aluminum paint to lighten it up?
Posted By: steelhead

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 12:21 AM

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Maybe some aluminum paint to lighten it up?

Posted By: maximum entropy

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 12:35 AM

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Maybe some aluminum paint to lighten it up?

OMG CARBON FIBER PAINT
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 12:42 AM

You guys can do what ever you want but it WILL be blue before it goes in the car
Posted By: HEMIDARTS

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 12:44 AM

you know they say RED is the new blue.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 01:00 AM

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You guys can do what ever you want but it WILL be blue before it goes in the car



Bill have you heard the word... contrast.... LOL
talk to any interior decorator...... so I've been told
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 01:01 AM

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Bill have you heard the word... contrast.... LOL





I have different shades of blue on the car


Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 01:22 AM

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Bill have you heard the word... contrast.... LOL





I have different shades of blue on the car





is any of that blue FORD blue?
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 01:27 AM

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Bill have you heard the word... contrast.... LOL





I have different shades of blue on the car





is any of that blur FORD blue?





Posted By: MoparPitBull

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 01:43 AM

Stick with the blue Bill.

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Posted By: VernMotor

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 01:49 AM

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Bill,We do have to do some thing about the color of the block!!! Bright Red like Vern's. Just kidding!!!



LMAo thats funny stuff LOL
Posted By: ksj

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 02:36 AM

Leave it blue,throw Jenni in the seat.Instant CHAMPION. Just saying
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 02:41 AM

is any of that blur FORD blue?









Bill as you can see, blue is my favorite color but NOT
for everything........ I've never painted any of my
engines blue...................... JMO
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 02:42 AM

Lord knows it's not Jamie that has the skills in that family
Posted By: rickstershemi

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 02:45 AM

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you know they say RED is the new blue.



Or "if you want it dead, paint it red"

Rickster
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 02:48 AM

Now that there is funny,"Grandmaster B".. Or is it ****master B??? Hey....Good luck with the build!! Looks like it is in good hands!!
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 02:55 AM

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Bill as you can see, blue is my favorite color but NOT
for everything........ I've never painted any of my
engines blue...................... JMO





Would you beleive the engine was blue long before the charger came along.

I guess you could say it started it all
Posted By: HEMIDARTS

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 02:57 AM

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you know they say RED is the new blue.



Or "if you want it dead, paint it red"

Rickster



Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 03:04 AM

I guess Jamie doesn't want it dead


Posted By: tboomer

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 03:28 AM

Looks like Vern is turning blue with envy!!
Posted By: 72chrgrally

Re: Got it torn down - 12/18/09 05:03 AM

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Maybe some aluminum paint to lighten it up?



SHHHHH! Dont give away my secrets!
Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Got it torn down - 12/19/09 05:04 AM

how about pair of boots for the bull thats in here
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