It's DYNO TIME

Posted By: WILD BILL

It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 03:56 PM

Wel, it's dyno time and we've made the first pulls. I wanted to set up a web cam and do a live feed but had to much other things going on.

I was think it would make around 450 and pop was thinking 400

It made 538 HP

So the winner of the gas pull is SPORT440.

Now time to change some stuff and see what we can get.

Posted By: moparniac

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 04:12 PM

I said 517 and sport440 said 520

Posted By: ProSport

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 04:18 PM

How soon til you dyno the new bullet? What will the combo be? 538 on the old combo is stout, what's your car weigh?

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 04:19 PM

We just tried the 'dyno carb". It's a 950cfm DP.

Made 549 HP @ 6500 and increased torque by about 20 ft lbs. to 473.5 @ 5600

Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 05:10 PM

The online HP calcualtor said 547...shoulda gussed that!

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 05:24 PM

well, were getting there

Put a 1" spacer on it and it made 542@6500 and torque was 455@5300.

then a 2" spacer brought it up to 550 HP and 470 ft lbs

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 05:30 PM

Now it's time to set up the Booze

Posted By: Ari440

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 05:35 PM

do you have a 1050 to try out

whats the combo ?

GOOD LUCK BILL

Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 05:36 PM

For the car or for you?

Nice numbers!

Posted By: MrBelvedere

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 05:49 PM

Nice numbers considering you made only two changes. Will you be doing anything with timing? Degree the cam differently?

Good luck Bill

How much for dyno time Scott? I could use a session.

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 06:44 PM

You guys aren't gonna beleive this.

On alky, 602 HP @ 6500 and 510 ft lbs @ 5200.

Metal Circus was the closest W? 513.

Unfortunatly the carb I bought wasn't an alky carb like I wass told.

We used one of Scotts 850 carbs for the Alky pulls.

I'll post pics of the sheets and vids of the pulls but probably not till much later. I have to go to the wifes X mas party tonight.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 06:51 PM

nice numbers for sure, i'd like to see what a 1050 dominator would do.

you gotta try one for sure.
anyway heres to you.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 06:52 PM

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You guys aren't gonna beleive this.

On alky, 602 HP @ 6500 and 510 ft lbs @ 5200.

Metal Circus was the closest W? 513.

Unfortunatly the carb I bought wasn't an alky carb like I wass told.

We used one of Scotts 850 carbs for the Alky pulls.

I'll post pics of the sheets and vids of the pulls but probably not till much later. I have to go to the wifes X mas party tonight.

Good job guys.... now you have a reason to go partying Bill

For some reason your car is leaving alot on the table
but I dont know where.... have fun tonight

Posted By: sg66mopar

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 07:01 PM

You're able to devote a lot of time and money to this addiction and still have a wife? Lucky dawg!

Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 07:04 PM

wow, the alky made over 50 Hp more!! and over 30 more Tq! Booze is good

Posted By: topfueldart

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 07:11 PM

What does your car weigh Bill?

Posted By: Sub95

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 07:14 PM

They say alky is good for 12% more power.

he is at the high side of 9% so there is more in it with the alky.

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 07:20 PM

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Wel, it's dyno time and we've made the first pulls. I wanted to set up a web cam and do a live feed but had to much other things going on.

I was think it would make around 450 and pop was thinking 400

It made 538 HP

So the winner of the gas pull is SPORT440.

Now time to change some stuff and see what we can get.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post5660574

Chris..

Posted By: camdog440

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 07:22 PM

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They say alky is good for 12% more power.

he is at the high side of 9% so there is more in it with the alky.

That may be all it's good for with such LOW compressoin.

Posted By: Sub95

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 08:11 PM

I have no idea what his engine specs are.

Posted By: Sport440

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 08:12 PM

Chris,s Barracuda won it. He wasnt Close, He was dead on 538 HP on gas!

mike

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 08:33 PM

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Chris,s Barracuda won it. He wasnt Close, He was dead on 538 HP on gas! mike

Scott said Chris had some insider info that DQ'd him

Cars weighs 2820 #'s w?o me in it.

We made a couple more pulls on Alky after Dave came in and suggested opening the plug gap from .035 to .070, putting the HVC coil on it and setting the timming to 35*s.

On that run it made 622 HP and 528 ft lbs.

Time to get cleaned up and get home so I can appease the wife. I'ld really like to stay and try more but yuou know how it is.

I'll try to get the vids up tonight but might be tomorrow.

Posted By: abodiesonly1

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 08:35 PM

This is from the other post.....

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Here's the motor info....

440, .030 over
cast crank
6pk rods
hyper pistons sitting .070 in the hole
Not sure on CR but I tihnk it's 9:1 if I calculated it right. Might be lower

OOTB Eddy heads (Intake Valve Diameter (in) 2.140 in. Exhaust Valve Diameter (in) 1.810 in.)

Cam, (solid lift)
Intake Valve Lift with 1.5 Ratio 0.555 in.
Exhaust Valve Lift with 1.5 Ratio 0.555 in.
Duration at 050 inch Lift 262 int./262 exh.
Did NOT degree it in just lined up the dots but..
Lobe Separation (degrees) 110
Intake Centerline: 106

Team G intake

750 BG claw (running 110 oct)

MSD dist locked out @ 38*s

2 1/8 hooker SC headers.

I don't expect it to put up anything impressive so don't be afraid to give me an honest opinion.

Best ET's were in the high 10.9's but it was more often in the low 11.0's.

Just remember, My car is kinda light for a B body @ 2820 (2980 with me in it)

Posted By: BradH

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 08:38 PM

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It made 538 HP

That gives me a good idea how Koffel's dyno compares to the two I've used previously.

Posted By: ProSport

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 09:03 PM

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Team G intake

750 BG claw (running 110 oct)

Bill why in the world are you running 110 octane race gas on a low 11 second 9:1 compression motor?

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 09:22 PM

Bob, we ran out of 93 one day at the track and 110 was all we coud get. For what ever reason the car ET'd better by a couple tenths so I stuck with it.

I'm going to try and head back out there Tues day and start tearing it down. After the tear down and inspection we'll have a better idea of what if anything is still usable and start forming a game plan. I do know he want to seriously up the compresion and do some work on the heads.

Posted By: Anonymous

Post deleted by moparts - 12/13/09 09:25 PM

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 09:26 PM

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You're able to devote a lot of time and money to this addiction and still have a wife? Lucky dawg!

I got her hooked too. SHe has a 72 charger that runs low 13's. Wild Fire is her user name. She doesn't post much though.

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 09:28 PM

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540 horsepower and 3000lb raceweight, should propell you to mid 10's. Or did you change something before you put it on the dyno?

Just started reading this post today sorry if I missed something/

Unless it has something to do with the difference in the air from now and the summer?

Posted By: topfueldart

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 09:33 PM

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It made 538 HP

That gives me a good idea how Koffel's dyno compares to the two I've used previously.

Me too. My car weighs 3320 (500 lbs more) and traps the same, and I know it doesnt make even close to 540... when it would need to make more than that...

All that said, its just a tool for comparison, and it sounds like you made some major gains on alky, very cool

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 09:40 PM

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Me too. My car weighs 3320 (500 lbs more) and traps the same, and I know it doesnt make even close to 540... when it would need to make more than that...

FWIW, I thought mine would ony make about 450 hp.

Posted By: VernMotor

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 09:48 PM

So somewhere there is a haft sec lost of ET in your car ??? my car weights with driver 3650 and runs close to bills. maybe overall a tenth quicker and I always said it was about 500 hp??

Posted By: 340RICK

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 09:55 PM

Wow Bill thats some stout #'s.... betcha cant wait til spring.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 10:01 PM

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So somewhere there is a haft sec lost of ET in your car ??? my car weights with driver 3650 and runs close to bills. maybe overall a tenth quicker and I always said it was about 500 hp??

Got to be in the converter and gearing. If I remember right Bill said 60' was around 1.51. I am glad it made more than you expected Bill. Don't take this the wrong way but Koffell's dyno seems pretty generous.

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 10:16 PM

nice job Scott and Bill!

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 10:43 PM

here is the 1st full pull
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02BmOVngDz8

3rd from last pull before the plug gap was opened or the HVC coil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLqTI36ah1I

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Posted By: mopars rule

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 10:49 PM

Cam, (solid lift)
Intake Valve Lift with 1.5 Ratio 0.555 in.
Exhaust Valve Lift with 1.5 Ratio 0.555 in.
Duration at 050 inch Lift 262 int./262 exh.
Did NOT degree it in just lined up the dots but..
Lobe Separation (degrees) 110
Intake Centerline: 106

Is this the Comp cams 296 duration ( advertised ) solid flat tappet Magnum cam. Sure sounds good.

Posted By: REHBERGERRACING

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 11:51 PM

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Don't take this the wrong way but Koffell's dyno seems pretty generous.

Posted By: moparniac

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/13/09 11:57 PM

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Don't take this the wrong way but Koffell's dyno seems pretty generous.

Posted By: proshiftcharger

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/14/09 12:11 AM

Well Bill looks like a change (ET) in your signature is forthcoming.

Doug

Posted By: ProSport

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/14/09 04:06 AM

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You guys aren't gonna beleive this.

On alky, 602 HP @ 6500 and 510 ft lbs @ 5200.

That's a huge gain, makes me think about an alky carb for the track.

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/14/09 05:25 AM

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Chris,s Barracuda won it. He wasnt Close, He was dead on 538 HP on gas! mike

Scott said Chris had some insider info that DQ'd him

Are you accusing me of some kind of activity that was not on the level?

I'm hurt..

Chris..

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/14/09 05:26 AM

Sorry for the long delay guys, I just got back form Gina's christmas party.

Having never been on a dyno before I have no idea how one would compare to another. I can only give ya what we got.

Mike, thanks for posting those.

It was great of you to be out there. I shot lots of video but I'll have to go through and edit it to just the pulls.

Bob, funny you should say that cuz Scott said the same thing to dad about the 72

As long as my streak of mishaps at the track ends next year should be pretty exciting.

I can't thank the Koffel's enough.

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/14/09 12:32 PM

no problem Bill.i wanted to make sure you had video.little did i know you would bring everything but a light meter and merrors.i also wanted to see the switch from gas to alky so i know what to expect.

Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/14/09 01:17 PM

is everyone studing this post like i'am ?
for a 440 /30 /60 6pk rods 9-1 cp
550ish cam put straight up??

building this kind of hp??

running 7tho plus rpm??

that is one heck of a 6 pk motor
can i put my 383 /440 crank, 12.cp
edel rpm heads
550 ish cam on this dyno?

Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/14/09 02:49 PM

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here is the 1st full pull
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02BmOVngDz8

3rd from last pull before the plug gap was opened or the HVC coil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLqTI36ah1I

The motor sounds healthy enough! I think the cool Ohio air may have helped it a little but they are still valid numbers. The fact that it liked the alky so much may be another indiactor that it likes a very cool charge.

Posted By: Dodgem

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/14/09 06:43 PM

So at 9 to 1 that shoots big holes in the theories you have to have a minimum of 12 to 1 to run Alcohol??

What octane was the gas run on??

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: It's DYNO TIME - 12/14/09 07:30 PM

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So at 9 to 1 that shoots big holes in the theories you have to have a minimum of 12 to 1 to run Alcohol??

What octane was the gas run on??

that was interesting.i want to see the BSFC again.the carb that was used was a well dialed in carb i know that off the brutus engine.