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Tens with a 365ci

Posted By: mopartuner

Tens with a 365ci - 11/14/09 03:24 PM

I want ot run tens with a 360.Here is what I have.365ci,(kb107's)ported eddys,180psi cyl pressure (10.5-11to1)1-5/8to1-3/4 step headers,750/holley-proform carb(DP).The car is 3130#w/driver.Trans is a 904wlow 1st gear.The car has 410 gear and 28"x10 slicks.I have SSleafs in it right now but am thinking of going to Cal-Trac set up.I want to use as much as I can and I am on a budget(like everybody)so I would like to do this with a flat tappet cam as the car will see some street duty.Ideas?
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/14/09 03:35 PM

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I want ot run tens with a 360.Here is what I have.365ci,(kb107's)ported eddys,180psi cyl pressure (10.5-11to1)1-5/8to1-3/4 step headers,750/holley-proform carb(DP).The car is 3130#w/driver.Trans is a 904wlow 1st gear.The car has 410 gear and 28"x10 slicks.I have SSleafs in it right now but am thinking of going to Cal-Trac set up.I want to use as much as I can and I am on a budget(like everybody)so I would like to do this with a flat tappet cam as the car will see some street duty.Ideas?



Depending on how good the heads are, you'll get close. Might need a roller cam and some more gear though...
Posted By: mopartuner

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/14/09 03:44 PM

I ran these heads on a 408 a few years back and it ran 10.90's at 124mph so I think they flow enough to get the job done.
Posted By: 5spdcuda

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/14/09 04:28 PM

One of my friends had a very light [ just under 3000 lbs with a 200 lb driver ]'68 Dart. He ran 10:50s and 60s at 124 mph.with a budget built 365 motor and 4:88 gears. The motor used KB 13:1 pistons, Eagle SIR rods, stock cast crank with internal balance, MP .590 cam, Crane rockers and my old well used Stage I street heads from Hughes. He ran the car on alky. I don't remember what the stall was in the converter. He shifted at 6600 as best I can remember and was pulling 7200 in the lights. This was at Gateway.
Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/14/09 05:58 PM

7200 with a 360???? WOW!!!!!!
Posted By: BlueDart

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/14/09 06:20 PM

My Combo is R3 Block 4.04 bore 3.600 crank= 369 CI Indy 360-1 heads crane solid roller .630 lift deamon 1000 carb 727 4.88 gear 70 dart@3200 lbs 29x12.0 tires went 10.46 @128 mph in hot weather mostly run 1/8 mile was turning 7500 through the lights 1/4 mile shift at 7000 not a low buck engine but still small in size
Posted By: 5spdcuda

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/14/09 08:20 PM

Light weight rotating assembly and internal balance definitely help. I prepped the oil passages in the block using the information in Herb McCandless's "Little Purple Book". The 7200rpm [ occasionally 7300 ] was only for a very short time when crossing the stripe. The pan was a low profile Milodon with a high volume oil pump. The lube system was identical to what I use on my Cuda except he needed a 90* filter adapter to clear his headers.
Posted By: DW513

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/14/09 09:54 PM

I built a .030 over 360 that went 10.50 to 10.60's in a 73 Duster(3180 lbs. with driver). Ported eddy heads with ported Super Victor, 750 HP, Ross flat tops,11.8 to 1 comp with a Hughes solid flat tappet.904 trans w/8 inch and 8 3/4 with 4.56 gears and 29.5 inch x 9 tire.
Posted By: 70AARcuda

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/14/09 10:14 PM

71 dart with 360 wiseco flat tops, h beam rods, ported eddies, hughes 260/264 with 1.6 rockers, edddy victor intake, holley 750, 904 trans, TA converter 5000 flash, 4.56 gears, 9 x 29.5 m/t slicks..

11.03 in las vegas, would run 10s at sea level.
Posted By: SuperStocker

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/15/09 01:08 AM

360 magnum block, cast crank, manley rods, dish pistons, ported Magnum R/T heads, Magnum single plane intake, 360 thermoquad carb...(less than .600" valve lift, crosses @ 7600rpm)

10.38 @ 126+ @ 3185 lbs. & 10.70 @ 122 @ 3455 lbs.

This is a NHRA legal SS 360. It won't set the world on fire but it's OK for what it is...

A bracket 360 should easily be able to run 10's.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/15/09 01:13 AM

2500# 1970 duster
stock crank,.040 over 360,521 lift racer brown solid cam,750 holley,set of eldebrock heads I ported,4:88 gear,shift at 6500 rpm,1.5 crane rockers,17/8 headmen headers,air gap intake.

10.36 @ 127 mph on pump gas.
Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/15/09 01:52 AM

I am curious as to how mine is going to run. .040 360 with KB107s, zero deck, .039 quench. Out of the box eddies with a good valve job and K-motion K800(IIRC) springs. Off the top of my head the Cam is solid roller 272@.050 and 680ish lift my laptop is down and the specs are on it. Edelbrock victor, 750 Holley, TA4500 8" 3.91 gears. I think the TTI headers and full exhaust won't do it any favors but I like the tailpipes.
Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/16/09 01:01 PM

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I am curious as to how mine is going to run. .040 360 with KB107s, zero deck, .039 quench. Out of the box eddies with a good valve job and K-motion K800(IIRC) springs. Off the top of my head the Cam is solid roller [Email]272@.050[/Email] and 680ish lift my laptop is down and the specs are on it. Edelbrock victor, 750 Holley, TA4500 8" 3.91 gears. I think the TTI headers and full exhaust won't do it any favors but I like the tailpipes.



Any input on this?
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/16/09 01:09 PM

Hard to predict without more info but if you are running a 680 lift roller with that combo you are way over cammed.
Posted By: 11secdart

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/16/09 01:33 PM

I have 363ci (360 Crate short block 30 over)56cc W2 heads, 590 lift MP mechanical cam, MP steel crank, Scat rods, JE Sportsman pistons 11.2 to 1 comp,Victor W2 intake ,AED prepped 750, 904, Ultimate 4,700 stall 8 inch convertor,4.88s or 4.56s 3150lbs 68 Dart best ET 10.40 average 10.50-10.60s at 124-125mph. However the last two seasons its been mechanical stopped down to run 11.50s on DOT tires.

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Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/16/09 02:01 PM

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I am curious as to how mine is going to run. .040 360 with KB107s, zero deck, .039 quench. Out of the box eddies with a good valve job and K-motion K800(IIRC) springs. Off the top of my head the Cam is solid roller [Email]272@.050[/Email] and 680ish lift my laptop is down and the specs are on it. Edelbrock victor, 750 Holley, TA4500 8" 3.91 gears. I think the TTI headers and full exhaust won't do it any favors but I like the tailpipes.



Any input on this?



What is your goal for this car/engine?

272º @ .050" cam has no business in a street bound 360.
OOTB heads will need more than a valve job for any serious
perfomance expectations.
Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/16/09 02:32 PM

This is a street car but not a cruiser at all. It will get driven to work on occasion and to the track. Manners aren't a real concern.

This cam worked excellent for my dad in a stock port X head 340 combo. I was originally going to build a high compresion 340. I got this 360 shortblock for a deal and am using it to get back on the road so I can start on a stroked 340.

What would be a better choice? Looking to run as fast as possible not concerned about street manners. I am not dead set on this cam but I will try it out since I already have it.
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/16/09 03:36 PM

How did that 340 run with that cam?

I think you're at least 20º too big. I figure, with the deck, head
and piston you mentioned, you're about 10.38:1

4500 converter and 3.91 gears and exhaust with that cam won't
be concerned about street manners either.

You asked for input and I was just giving you mine.
Posted By: cheapstreetdustr

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/16/09 07:07 PM

id get teh flow chart on the eddies and do a cam based on those numbers..
cam is whats gonna make or break what you got.

who asked about 360" at 7200?
hell mine shifts all day at 7200 its been 7800 a few time according to the mem tach..
cheapst
Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/16/09 07:12 PM

I did ask for opinions. Not real surprised at the answers either. If its a turd I will know why but at least I won't have to push it anymore

That 340 my dad had with this cam ran 10.80s in a 3200lb car.
Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/16/09 07:23 PM

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I want ot run tens with a 360.Here is what I have.365ci,(kb107's)ported eddys,180psi cyl pressure (10.5-11to1)1-5/8to1-3/4 step headers,750/holley-proform carb(DP).The car is 3130#w/driver.Trans is a 904wlow 1st gear.The car has 410 gear and 28"x10 slicks.I have SSleafs in it right now but am thinking of going to Cal-Trac set up.I want to use as much as I can and I am on a budget(like everybody)so I would like to do this with a flat tappet cam as the car will see some street duty.Ideas?



On a 360 you'll need to port the heads. The carb will hold you back some, but if your willing to mix 50/50 pump and race gas, you can mill the heads down to 58cc and go to a nice FT cam like (254-258@ .050) on a 107lca and advance it 5-6°.

You could also use 4.56 gear but if it's not in the budget no biggie. The porting and cam + compression increase should be enough to run 10's.
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/16/09 07:31 PM

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That 340 my dad had with this cam ran 10.80s in a 3200lb car.



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This cam worked excellent for my dad in a stock port X head 340 combo.



I won't appologize for sounding like an ass here but, there would be
a LOT of these cars running around, if that's all it took to go 10.80s
at 3200 lb. with a 340.
Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/16/09 07:56 PM

Stock Port X heads, 13:1, above mentioned cam, 8" converter 5.13 gears(31" tire i believe). It was along time ago, maybe he will chime in as to what all that motor had.

I don't expect mine to run that good, i was just wanting to see what some opinions were and I got them. Thank you
Posted By: cheapstreetdustr

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/16/09 09:37 PM

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What is your goal for this car/engine?

272º @ .050" cam has no business in a street bound 360.
OOTB heads will need more than a valve job for any serious
perfomance expectations.



those cams with that much duration are for/from
stock eliminator type cam..lots of duration to fill the limited /un- ported heads..
i know of a few running high tens..
cheapst
Posted By: mopartuner

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/17/09 01:23 AM

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I want ot run tens with a 360.Here is what I have.365ci,(kb107's)ported eddys,180psi cyl pressure (10.5-11to1)1-5/8to1-3/4 step headers,750/holley-proform carb(DP).The car is 3130#w/driver.Trans is a 904wlow 1st gear.The car has 410 gear and 28"x10 slicks.I have SSleafs in it right now but am thinking of going to Cal-Trac set up.I want to use as much as I can and I am on a budget(like everybody)so I would like to do this with a flat tappet cam as the car will see some street duty.Ideas?



On a 360 you'll need to port the heads. The carb will hold you back some, but if your willing to mix 50/50 pump and race gas, you can mill the heads down to 58cc and go to a nice FT cam like (254-258@ .050) on a 107lca and advance it 5-6°.

You could also use 4.56 gear but if it's not in the budget no biggie. The porting and cam + compression increase should be enough to run 10's.

You think the carb will hold me back some?What would you recomend?I have been thinking about maybe a quickfuel?
Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/17/09 02:18 AM

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I want ot run tens with a 360.Here is what I have.365ci,(kb107's)ported eddys,180psi cyl pressure (10.5-11to1)1-5/8to1-3/4 step headers,750/holley-proform carb(DP).The car is 3130#w/driver.Trans is a 904wlow 1st gear.The car has 410 gear and 28"x10 slicks.I have SSleafs in it right now but am thinking of going to Cal-Trac set up.I want to use as much as I can and I am on a budget(like everybody)so I would like to do this with a flat tappet cam as the car will see some street duty.Ideas?



On a 360 you'll need to port the heads. The carb will hold you back some, but if your willing to mix 50/50 pump and race gas, you can mill the heads down to 58cc and go to a nice FT cam like (254-258@ .050) on a 107lca and advance it 5-6°.

You could also use 4.56 gear but if it's not in the budget no biggie. The porting and cam + compression increase should be enough to run 10's.

You think the carb will hold me back some?What would you recomend?I have been thinking about maybe a quickfuel?



If you port the heads I would use a 950HP carb. It will make more HP than your current 750 due mostly to the fuel curve in those carbs.
If you run the engine past 7000rpm and use a large cam and low gear the 1000Hp will e.t. better. Slightly though...
I would use the 950HP carb. You can go QF if you like, but most of the time I see best AVG HP and AVG TQ with an HP carb.
Posted By: 69L78Nova

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/17/09 02:37 AM

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7200 with a 360???? WOW!!!!!!



I turned 7600 with a 360 for seven years. Stock cast crank and block, KB hypereutectic pistons, and Eagle h-beam rods. That rotating assembly is still alive and well in my Barracuda. Hasnt been apart since 2000.
Posted By: 340Cuda

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/19/09 03:34 AM

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Stock Port X heads, 13:1, above mentioned cam, 8" converter 5.13 gears(31" tire i believe). It was along time ago, maybe he will chime in as to what all that motor had.

I don't expect mine to run that good, i was just wanting to see what some opinions were and I got them. Thank you



Clark's dad here, that was a long time ago! From what I remember it was basically a super stock motor with high compression. It had Harlen Sharp rockers, ran with a Thermoquad as well as a 830 Holley. Manifold was probably a LD-340. 1 7/8 headers. The weight and smaller tires should hurt Clark's car but the heads should help.
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Tens with a 365ci - 11/19/09 03:45 AM

Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic or Holley Strip Dominator maybe?

Super Stock didn't use to allow ported heads, nail-head valves or even a back-cut.
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