Schubeck/SM Lifters??

Posted By: S/ST 3040

Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/25/09 01:04 PM

I know Schubeck wouldn't warranty their lifters run in
bushed lifter bores..........

but, can somebody tell me WHY?

Posted By: SuperStocker

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/25/09 01:13 PM

Vic, if I remember correctly, I think it has to do with some running the clearance too tight. You know them dumb stocker guys are always trying stuff...

Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/25/09 01:48 PM

Thanks........is it because of this?

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Posted By: SuperStocker

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/25/09 01:54 PM

Yes... though I can attest to the fact that the new SM lifters are of way better quality than the older Schubecks.

Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/25/09 02:02 PM

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Yes... though I can attest to the fact that the new SM lifters are of way better quality than the older Schubecks.

Price increase or not, I'm glad to hear some people are trying to better
their product, rather than outsourcing and jacking the racers.

Do you think Smith will fix this Schubeck? (It was NOT run in a bushed bore either.)

Any pictures of the current lifters?

Posted By: SuperStocker

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/25/09 02:54 PM

I don't have any pics of my SM's. I don't know if he would fix it but he would probably want to look at it first. They are good guys with a great product. I would call and talk to them.

Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/25/09 02:59 PM

Do they have the same oil hole in them like the schubecs did? Just wondering.

Kasey

Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/25/09 03:53 PM

Oh boy, that picture doesn't make me feel good.

Posted By: BradH

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/25/09 03:53 PM

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I know Schubeck wouldn't warranty their lifters run in bushed lifter bores...

Really? Mine have been run for thousands of miles in bushed lifter bores w/o any problems.

Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/25/09 05:40 PM

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Oh boy, that picture doesn't make me feel good.

It may not make you feel much better but, I didn't know
it was like that until I tore the engine down. It couldn't
come apart with the pushrod in it so, there wasn't any
damage or trash in the engine.

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Posted By: quick77rt

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/25/09 06:31 PM

Here is a link concerning the new SM lifters.

http://www.aspenrt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=396

The quality of the ones Ive gotten has been dead on and ive had them right to 7k and so far so good. And they are on there second cam as well.

I got the kcid put to me by Joe as the few last sets I got from him were not even usable, the cups were machined different???? One lifter body was split from the box.

JS...sucks.

Posted By: LA360

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/26/09 12:19 AM

What diameters are they available in? What do they cost these days?
AL...

Posted By: CompWedgeEngines

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/26/09 12:48 AM

The problem with the old Schubeks ( towards the end of their demise) wasnt lifter bushing use. Totally un related.

The new SM lifters are holding up great and MUCH better quality control and concern for a good product.

Posted By: jdfpam

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/26/09 04:02 AM

The new SM lifters are a great product. They are available in .842, .874, .903 and .921 diameter. They come hydraulic, solid, and lightweight solid. Prices are $685 per set for solids, $700 per set for lightweight solids, and $720.00 per set for hydraulics. I am a dealer of their product. I have some in stock. Email or call with your needs.
Also, Bob is now making this same lifter with a tool steel puck instead of the ceramic material if desired. They cost $100.00 per set less than above posted prices. They also require no break in, no zinc, and can be used on many different cams. They have also come out with limited travel/high RPM hydraulic roller lifters, .937 Keyway lifters, and the improved roller X lifter.
Bob will look at any existing Shubeck lifter. He can make new singles to match closely.

Jeff Day
Precision Automotive Machine, INC
Canton, Ohio
(330)456-3045

PS. The lifter in the picture appears to have had the puck come out. This is probably what Bob would call an Indian lifter, those had epoxied pucks that just didn't work.

Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/26/09 04:58 AM

Thanks Jeff. All good information.

Should I just throw these away?

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Posted By: jdfpam

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/26/09 04:34 PM

If they are the epoxied lifters, than yes, you should probably not use them. If you send them in, Bob can verify if they are or not. Let me know if you need any help.

Thanks again,

JEFF

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/26/09 08:58 PM

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The new SM lifters are a great product. They are available in .842, .874, .903 and .921 diameter. They come hydraulic, solid, and lightweight solid. Prices are $685 per set for solids, $700 per set for lightweight solids, and $720.00 per set for hydraulics. I am a dealer of their product. I have some in stock. Email or call with your needs.
Also, Bob is now making this same lifter with a tool steel puck instead of the ceramic material if desired. They cost $100.00 per set less than above posted prices. They also require no break in, no zinc, and can be used on many different cams. They have also come out with limited travel/high RPM hydraulic roller lifters, .937 Keyway lifters, and the improved roller X lifter.
Bob will look at any existing Shubeck lifter. He can make new singles to match closely.

Jeff Day

there's no doubt that the "new" style are much improved over the old ones.
out of respect for Jeff, i won't post our prices on those.
actually, now that i think about it, i don't think we're supposed to post prices in the forums anyway.

Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/26/09 09:06 PM

I'm not sure I want to persue the solid lifter thing now.
It's nice to know I blew $640 on an experimental piece,
that's not usable. 120 passes on them and obviously have
know idea when it came apart.

I could have bought rollers that would still be servicable
now for $640 or less.

Posted By: jdfpam

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/27/09 07:45 PM

OOPS, I didn't know that we couldn't post prices on here.........SORRY!!

I understand your distaste over the money spent on an experimental part that didn't last. Bob at SM makes no excuses for the old design. He improved it and ran with it. I have sold over 70 sets of his lifters in 2+ years with no reports of problems. I know that doesn't help your problem, but it does show that the lifters are now good pieces.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

JEFF

Posted By: 70VcodeCoronetRT

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/29/09 02:00 PM

So would these live on the street? I've been running an older set in my bracket car for four years and love them. Just don't know about the street.

Posted By: jdfpam

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/30/09 02:56 AM

If the spring pressure is right and you keep up on the valve lash, you will have no problems. We have used the solids in quite a few street engines. If you want hydraulics, you should go with the extra travel version, not the stocker lifters.

Let me know if you need any help.

Jeff
Precision Automotive Machine, INC
Canton, Ohio

Posted By: lowell66dart

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/30/09 03:06 AM

So could anyone chime in on the pros and cons of the ceramic verses the tool steel lifters. I have an R block that will have a solid in it for my next build and want to start collecting parts. This is a bracket engine (low,low 10's) and what I'm looking for is reliability.

Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/30/09 03:32 AM

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So could anyone chime in on the pros and cons of the ceramic verses the tool steel lifters. I have an R block that will have a solid in it for my next build and want to start collecting parts. This is a bracket engine (low,low 10's) and what I'm looking for is reliability.

I know that if the ceramic lifter ever bounces on the lobe, the ceramic will shatter! We're doing a nice 440sb mopar right now with schubeck lifters and we're running 200lbs. on the seat and 480lbs. open and only revving it 6500rpm.
It would go more but my point is the tool steel will not shatter. I'd use a roller before I ever use these special FT lifters UNLESS there were rules OR it's going to see alot of street miles. Ofcourse then I'd probably use a hyd roller cam...LOL!

Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Schubeck/SM Lifters?? - 09/30/09 03:53 AM

My Schubecks worked great. I never had to adjust the lash one time
all season but, since they fell apart, it just failed one of their selling
points...........re-using them almost indefinitely.

I'd love to use another set but, can't justify the cost a
second time. It's going to be plain old EDM solid or roller.

On second thought, I might stick these back in anyway.