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Is this car a FAKE?

Posted By: lowflyingdart

Is this car a FAKE? - 07/10/09 06:20 PM

There is a LC22R 2009 Drag Pak Challenger on Ebag. It is claiming to be car #12. It was my understanding that only 6 have been built to date.
ebay challenger
Posted By: donscuda

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/10/09 07:24 PM

The car's id plate seems correct, but after hearing about the amount of paper work that Larry had to sign for his, I would hate to be the person who signed for it... It was my understanding that the person who purchased the vehicle, had to finish, and be racing the car within a certain time period.

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Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/10/09 07:35 PM

is that the car that was given to him from mp?
Posted By: donscuda

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/10/09 08:46 PM

Larry recieved the second one built, and is almost finished building it to race. Here's another link to where I have all the photos of the progress. I have 4 seperate folders of pictures..


http://community.webshots.com/user/doncball
Posted By: mr2performance

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/10/09 10:28 PM

no, its real
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/10/09 10:30 PM

Hasn't it been on the Bag once already and didn't sell?

One of the Cobra Jets was on the Bag a few weeks ago with a starting price of 100K. It got no bids.
Posted By: donscuda

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/12/09 12:19 PM

I sent the guy a message on Ebay, asking him somethings about it, and the contract that the racers had to sign with Chrysler to race it ... Maybe thats why he took it off ebay without any bids ...
I don't have any problems with collectors getting the cars after the racer's fufill the contract's obligations, but when the "racer's" are just trying to make a buck before they finish what the contract says is something I don't agree with.
Posted By: plasticfantastic

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/12/09 04:08 PM

the car has a 6.1 in it, but it says R/T on the grill, are all the drag pack cars badged R/T?
Posted By: lowflyingdart

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/14/09 08:01 PM

The drag pak cars are all badge as R/Ts.
Posted By: FY1CUDA

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/15/09 02:21 AM

The car is real and was taken off ebay, because it was sold!

Thanks,

Chuck West
Posted By: donscuda

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/15/09 11:09 AM

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The car is real and was taken off ebay, because it was sold!

Thanks,

Chuck West




As I said before, these cars were built for the racers to have and race, NOT to sell... If the racers are just trying to make a buck, and not care about the sport it's really sad, and they shouldn't be involved in the sport or the hobby in my opinion. There was a lot of engineering along with all the countless hours in negotiations with the NHRA to make these vehicles class legal. The NHRA is on their last leg it seems, and they were trying to help themselves along with Detroit by trying to start some excitement again for the sport and industry like they had accomplished once in the past. It's pretty sad when everyone complains that the factory isn't doing anything for the sport, but when they do, the people can't follow the rules that the factory put forth in order for the sport to grow.. No wonder they are pulling out of everything, I don't blame them. They just went through bankruptcy and actually fought to keep this vehicle in production, and it didn't take too long for greed to get involved. I'm going to give Larry a call this morning and let him know what happened so he can forward this on to John Donato. John is now the Engineering Manager at Mopar Moptorsports, and hopefully he'll contact the person who received car #12 to find out what happened with the car....
This is just a shame.......
Don
Posted By: knyech1

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/15/09 08:18 PM





As I said before, these cars were built for the racers to have and race, NOT to sell... If the racers are just trying to make a buck, and not care about the sport it's really sad, and they shouldn't be involved in the sport or the hobby in my opinion. There was a lot of engineering along with all the countless hours in negotiations with the NHRA to make these vehicles class legal. The NHRA is on their last leg it seems, and they were trying to help themselves along with Detroit by trying to start some excitement again for the sport and industry like they had accomplished once in the past. It's pretty sad when everyone complains that the factory isn't doing anything for the sport, but when they do, the people can't follow the rules that the factory put forth in order for the sport to grow.. No wonder they are pulling out of everything, I don't blame them. They just went through bankruptcy and actually fought to keep this vehicle in production, and it didn't take too long for greed to get involved. I'm going to give Larry a call this morning and let him know what happened so he can forward this on to John Donato. John is now the Engineering Manager at Mopar Moptorsports, and hopefully he'll contact the person who received car #12 to find out what happened with the car....
This is just a shame.......
Don




Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/15/09 09:57 PM

It's for real, I know who the original owner is, I'll probably find out who bought it before too long (people usually just tell me stuff) and Donato doesn't work for Mopar.

It isn't the only one that has been resold, there have been others.

Nobody is really going to get anybody "in trouble" for reselling a car, everyone knew it'd happen and sure enough it is.
Posted By: lowflyingdart

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/15/09 10:02 PM

How much are these cars selling for? It would take a vary lage sum for me to sell mine!
Posted By: SRT6776

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/15/09 10:44 PM

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How much are these cars selling for? It would take a vary lage sum for me to sell mine!




No idea, BUT I posted the eBay link on YB and within 24 hrs it was sold and pulled from eBay....
Posted By: Barnstorm

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/16/09 12:24 AM

If I had one of these cars on order,[realizing the mopar situation] I'd be going nuts trying to plan my life. Everyone has another car they race but between answering questions about your new Drag Pak that you can't answer and running your present car.....WOW! I know 4 guys and I see their frustration.

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Posted By: donscuda

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/16/09 12:31 AM

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It's for real, I know who the original owner is, I'll probably find out who bought it before too long (people usually just tell me stuff) and Donato doesn't work for Mopar.

It isn't the only one that has been resold, there have been others.

Nobody is really going to get anybody "in trouble" for reselling a car, everyone knew it'd happen and sure enough it is.




Yes, I know that John has left Chrysler and is now running Donato Engineering in Milford Mi. But I do know that Larry Shepard is still with writing for Mopar Performance, and that Jim Sassorossi is stil with the company, I'm sure they wouldn't be happy.

The whole problem is that the cars were not sold by the factory to the original owners to resell.. The factory sold them so a racer could build the car for the different stock or super stock classes in the NHRA/IHRA. With the current economy and the problems in Detroit we should be thankful the company is even trying to build the required amount of vehicles to be class legal, and if some of the people who are getting the cars second hand not racing them those who have bought the cars to race will not be able to because there would not be enough cars registered to run in their classes.

It's plain and simple, if Chrysler didn't care who recieved the cars they would have not required the racers to fill out the applications and Chrysler should have just sold them at the dealerships. Especially when the factory isn't going to be making a large number of them.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it's a shame that the drag racers no longer have the character they used to back when it was more about the sport and not the money... But I guess this is one of the reasons that drag racing is still playing second fiddle to the roundy rounders.. But once again who cares...
Posted By: Stewart

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/16/09 04:05 AM

Doesn't matter if these cars are "registered to run in their classes" or not.Only requirement is that 50 are produced by Mopar. As long as 50 are produced they will be legal. I have emailed NHRA about the cars and asked what will happen if Mopar does not finish the run of 50. Was told that a decision would be made at years end about the car staying in the Class Guide. I think NHRA kind of jumped the gun putting these cars in the Guide before the run was completed, but don't think it would be the first car to be removed from the Guide.
Has Mopar said they are going to complete the run? Hope so, I'm starting on a 5.7 for SSGT.
Posted By: TMP66

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/16/09 06:07 AM

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As I said before, these cars were built for the racers to have and race, NOT to sell... If the racers are just trying to make a buck, and not care about the sport it's really sad, and they shouldn't be involved in the sport or the hobby in my opinion. There was a lot of engineering along with all the countless hours in negotiations with the NHRA to make these vehicles class legal.




All the hoopla on who's gettin' one, who's not, cars showing up on ebay . Garlits will be on the 'pro lawn chair/make an exibition pass tour' (I'd bet the farm he NEVER actually races a national or divisional event). In the mean time the Cobra Jets are out in force racing and Calvert already scored a national event win in one.
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/16/09 10:52 AM

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In the mean time the Cobra Jets are out in force racing and Calvert already scored a national event win in one.




And, the Cobra Jet was released as a turn-key race car less than a year after the project was announced. The Challenger was announced almost 3 years ago now and still not on the race track.

Posted By: lowflyingdart

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/16/09 01:29 PM

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Has Mopar said they are going to complete the run? Hope so, I'm starting on a 5.7 for SSGT.



Mopar told me that they were going to finish the run. They said that they would be building more bodies in August and Roush will be completing the first 30 by September. I'm hoping to be going to Detriot in late Sept.
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/16/09 02:34 PM

I understand your point completely and mostly agree with what you're saying.

Thanks to a friendly racer who passed along the info, the people managing the program at Mopar found out about the ebay car several days ago, so you don't have to worry about telling anybody...it's already been done.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/16/09 03:51 PM

It's bound to happen with a few of them.

Plans tend to change, real life gets in the way etc.

How many of the original Dart/Barracuda's that were built in '68 soley for drag racing and come to find out years later didn't get used for that purpose?!
Posted By: donscuda

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/18/09 02:32 PM

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It's bound to happen with a few of them.

Plans tend to change, real life gets in the way etc.

How many of the original Dart/Barracuda's that were built in '68 soley for drag racing and come to find out years later didn't get used for that purpose?!




But I'm pretty sure that the people who were buying them weren't putting them up on blocks to sell later on as collector items, or selling them before they raced them. If something came up and they had to get out of racing, they either sold it to another racer or returned it back to the factory so another racer could continue the factory's racing. Back then the racers had NO idea of the increase in value their cars would eventually have. They bought and signed the contract to race the cars as the contract stated. If the racers knew how much more the cars were going to be worth I'm pretty sure my friend Jack would have kept his '67 Hemi Coronet, his '68 Hemi Dart, and his '69 and '70 AMX.....
Now a day, I think they have an idea that these cars will probably increase in value, and thats the problem I have, these cars were made to race, and to help bring back some interest to both the American auto industry, and drag racing. If people, here especially, don't see that the greed will eventually hurt our hobby, I should just sell my Cuda now and look into something else.
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Is this car a FAKE? - 07/20/09 09:19 PM

Today I heard where the car went and the story of who steered the new owner towards it.

The word on the street is the car will end up on the drag strip and that's really all that matters.

Who knows what was actually paid, but by outward appearances it doesn't appear anyone made a killing on it....in fact the buy it now price is only $1 above suggested retail.
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