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Help with Pinion angle

Posted By: Mopar_Mike

Help with Pinion angle - 07/01/09 03:33 PM

After breaking my tailshaft (different post) I went to check my pinion angle. The car (67 Coronet RT) had superstock springs in it with an 8 3/4. I switched to caltracs with the monoleaf and +1" ride height.

I put the magnetic angle finder on the 8 3/4 where the snuber would be. It was +3 degrees

I put the finder on the tailshaft, upside down, because the trans is still in the car. It read +1 degree.

So, if I am reading this right, +1 at the trans and +1 at the pinion gives me 0 straight line. So, since the pinion is still +2, I need to get it to -3 (optimal according to caltracs). So I need to reduce the angle negatively by 5 degrees?

Thanks for your help.
Posted By: CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: Help with Pinion angle - 07/01/09 03:51 PM

Set up your operating angle and THEN set your pinion angle.
If your trans drops 1 degree at the tail and your pinion is nose up 1 degree then roll your pinion down as many degrees of pinion angle as you want.

Maybe a few experienced Caltrac users here have a strong opinion on what the actual pinion angle should be.... PIPE UP if you do!
Posted By: cudarex

Re: Help with Pinion angle - 07/01/09 03:58 PM

Quote:

Set up your operating angle and THEN set your pinion angle.
If your trans drops 1 degree at the tail and your pinion is nose up 1 degree then roll your pinion down as many degrees of pinion angle as you want



I believe Calvert wants 3-4 degrees
Posted By: Mopar_Mike

Re: Help with Pinion angle - 07/01/09 04:09 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Set up your operating angle and THEN set your pinion angle.
If your trans drops 1 degree at the tail and your pinion is nose up 1 degree then roll your pinion down as many degrees of pinion angle as you want



I believe Calvert wants 3-4 degrees




How do you set up your operating angle? The car is on the ground and everything intact. I measured the tailshaft and got +1 So is this my operating angle?
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Help with Pinion angle - 07/01/09 04:13 PM



Posted By: cudarex

Re: Help with Pinion angle - 07/01/09 04:21 PM

When you say tailshaft is +1 I assume you mean it is pointing up 1 degree from horizontal plane. If so then you want the pinion -1 degree down from horizontal to get operational setting.They both would be like this \\ in relation to each other. Then you would rotate the pinion down another 3-4 degrees to give you a total of 4-5 degrees down from horizontal plane. Is that clear as mud?
Posted By: patrick

Re: Help with Pinion angle - 07/01/09 04:43 PM

if the tailshaft is pointing up 1 degree (nose up) and the pinion is 3 degrees nose up then your pinion angle is 4 degrees nose up.

Dr Diff's advice: make them parallel (i.e. tailshaft nose down, pinion nose up) then roll the pinion down X degrees to get X degrees of pinion angle.
Posted By: Adobedude

Re: Help with Pinion angle - 07/01/09 05:14 PM

Dr Diff's advice: make them parallel (i.e. tailshaft nose down, pinion nose up) then roll the pinion down X degrees to get X degrees of pinion angle.


That's too easy...

*Running off to the garage *
Posted By: Mopar_Mike

Re: Help with Pinion angle - 07/01/09 05:30 PM

Sorry.. I remeasured and have different numbers..

The 8 3/4 housing is facing down (-3 degrees)

The transmission tail shaft is facing up (+2 degrees)
Posted By: Sport440

Re: Help with Pinion angle - 07/01/09 05:38 PM

If your trans is pointing up 2* your pinion would need to be Down 2* to be parrelel.

Since pinion is Down 3* Your pinion angle is sitting at 1* down. mike
Posted By: Mopar_Mike

Re: Help with Pinion angle - 07/01/09 05:39 PM

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If your trans is pointing up 2* your pinion would need to be Down 2* to be parrelel.

Since pinion is Down 3* Your pinion angle is sitting at 1* down. mike




I know sometimes I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but thanks sport440 as this was simple for me to understand.. I get it now..
Posted By: cudarex

Re: Help with Pinion angle - 07/01/09 06:49 PM

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If your trans is pointing up 2* your pinion would need to be Down 2* to be parrelel.

Since pinion is Down 3* Your pinion angle is sitting at 1* down. mike



So, based on those numbers he needs to rotate the pinion down another 3-4 degrees which would give a total of 4-5 degrees down for the pinion.
Posted By: patrick

Re: Help with Pinion angle - 07/01/09 08:09 PM

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Quote:

If your trans is pointing up 2* your pinion would need to be Down 2* to be parrelel.

Since pinion is Down 3* Your pinion angle is sitting at 1* down. mike



So, based on those numbers he needs to rotate the pinion down another 3-4 degrees which would give a total of 4-5 degrees down for the pinion.




caltracs don't need that much angle....

also, are you checking it with all 4 tires on the ground, or the rear end jacked up? if it's not on the ground, or on a 4 post lift, or on 4 ramps with the vehicle weight on the tires as it sits on the ground, your angle measurements might be off, as the rear suspension is unloaded with the rear up on jackstands (even more if the stands are under the subframe and the rear is hanging).
Posted By: 8secDart

Re: Help with Pinion angle - 07/02/09 01:54 AM

Guy's you are making way to much of this!
1.Most people cannot do anything for the trans angle.Making a new mount to raise or lower the trans is just stuiped.
2.All you are trying to do is keep the joints from running at the same angle and or the rear going over to a + angle.
3.On a Cal-Trac car the pinion will not move that much.Set the rearend 3 to 5 down and forget it.
Lenny
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