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Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn

Posted By: emarine01

Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/23/09 09:41 PM

What are some of you big block guys turning? factory blocks < no lies please>
Posted By: Dunnuck Racing

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/23/09 10:16 PM

Mine traps about 6800 to 7000. I shift it at 6500.Stock forged crank,stock caps,Milodon main bolts.
I know a couple of other racers who are about the same.
One friend of mine recently broke a crank in his,and went to 4 bolt caps and an aftermarket crank.
Alot of guys get many years with stock stuff,but you never know.
Posted By: Barnstorm

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/23/09 10:31 PM

7400-7600 depending on the air. 500 mega block C&A rods..CP pistons..440-1..2.25-1.81 valves..741 cam K1000h springs..1150 dom.

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Posted By: emarine01

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/23/09 10:32 PM

So stock small blocks and stock big blocks spin around the same speed
Posted By: DusterKid

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/23/09 10:33 PM

shift at 6000 go thru about 6300-6400. 1966 Block, 1967 crank, rods and pistons...All hardware is basic, except ARP rod bolts.
Posted By: Dunnuck Racing

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/23/09 10:51 PM

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So stock small blocks and stock big blocks spin around the same speed




I should add that this is with aftermarket rods,light pistons and a good balance job.
Posted By: emarine01

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/23/09 10:58 PM

My small block has similar bottom end parts and turns around the same rpms , It appears there is not much difference in shaft speeds between big and small blocks
Posted By: sdaurity

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/23/09 11:28 PM

I use to turn my 3.600 stroke lowdeck 8600 every pass for one season, before the crank went south at the last race of the year. Stock 76 block with alum. main caps.
Posted By: emarine01

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/23/09 11:34 PM

How do big blocks run on cyl wall thickness, are they as hit or miss as small blocks , are the castings thicker per unit of bore dia? How hard is it to install cross bolted main caps in a b engine?
Posted By: Kam*Kuda

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 12:29 AM

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How do big blocks run on cyl wall thickness, are they as hit or miss as small blocks , are the castings thicker per unit of bore dia? How hard is it to install cross bolted main caps in a b engine?



Wall thick, yes, They are hit and miss. Plenty of chances for core shift here too
Posted By: emarine01

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 12:40 AM

I guess you guys see where this post is heading , been pricing out race blocks today and for the bucks a 451 B engine build sounds hard to beat , I just assumed there was a rpm advantage to small blocks but once ya add a little stroke it all seems to even out, lots of good reading on B engine builds just never looked till now
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 12:47 AM

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I guess you guys see where this post is heading , been pricing out race blocks today and for the bucks a 451 B engine build sounds hard to beat , I just assumed there was a rpm advantage to small blocks but once ya add a little stroke it all seems to even out, lots of good reading on B engine builds just never looked till now





Its just the way you build them and with the right
parts. I'm in the process of building a 514 BB that
I expect to turn to 9000... good balance and light
parts
Posted By: emarine01

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 01:02 AM

In the past I was only intrested in Hp per cubic inch , now days It seems Hp per cubic dollar has to be factored in also
Posted By: n_bogie1984

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 01:45 AM

we have turned a factory crank and ly rods to 9800 rpms, currently i turn my 4.15 stroke h beamed 440 to about 8300 all season long
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Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 03:22 AM

Mine is not a factory block but when I run all out I shift at 8300rpm, unfortunatly I cross the line at only 7550 due to wrong gear. Will get that fixed someday, for now we shift at .5 from the release of the button, which would be a stunning mind numbing 4600rpm
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 04:49 AM

My 400 block with a 4.300 stroke and 6.800 long CAT H beam steel rods, CNC ported Edelbrock heads and a Comp Cams solid roller shify at 7000 to 7300 depending on the track elevation
Posted By: 383man

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 06:26 AM

Wow some of you really twist them bigblocks ! The 440 in my 63 is a stock shortblock with KB quench pad pistons so I could get quench with the factory 906 heads I run. That way it runs good on 92 pump at 10.0. I shift between 6000 and 6200 and trap around 6400 according to my tach. I guess the aftermarket heads wake them up more then I realized as I have never ran nothing but stock heads. But now that I am single I plan to build a nice aluminum head eng soon. Ron
Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 06:36 AM

Some years ago, Gecker had 452" and 471" low deck B1's that routinely went 8000+ in 400 blocks.. He had these in his Omni/Charger and Daytona..

Saw it with my own peepers.. Did he have failures?? Yep.. But not very many..
His worst engine failures were in the Hemi..
Very few with the low decks..



Chris..
Posted By: n_bogie1984

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 10:29 AM

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Wow some of you really twist them bigblocks ! The 440 in my 63 is a stock shortblock with KB quench pad pistons so I could get quench with the factory 906 heads I run. That way it runs good on 92 pump at 10.0. I shift between 6000 and 6200 and trap around 6400 according to my tach. I guess the aftermarket heads wake them up more then I realized as I have never ran nothing but stock heads. But now that I am single I plan to build a nice aluminum head eng soon. Ron




from past experiance do not turn kb hypertechs above 7100-7200 or you will be picking pistons out of the pan
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 11:47 AM

I shifted my old 440 at 6700-6800 and crossed the stripe at the same rpm. Stock block and crank, Manley H beams, and Ross slugs. CHIP
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 12:21 PM

depends on the build.... I had a 383 I'd spin to 7k but that's was a fairly buid motor. As far as a mild street/strip stock crank 440 I'd think 6k would be plenty of rpms.
Posted By: John_T_Brown

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 12:51 PM

The current low deck 440 Super Stock engine that I’m running makes power @8500… shift it there and go thru the lights there.

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Posted By: aarcuda

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 01:30 PM

thats like asking how high does the tide get
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 01:41 PM

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The current low deck 440 Super Stock engine that I’m running makes power @8500… shift it there and go thru the lights there.




that's turning it up... I'd like to see that thing run.
Posted By: emarine01

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 01:49 PM

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thats like asking how high does the tide get


I can answer that , It depends on how hard the wind blows, Any how I am happy to see that the mopar guys at the factory remembered the rest of the head bolts on big blocks and the deep skirt @ the crank looks better for high load apps, are the factory big blocks as far out of machine spec as all the 360s I measured?
Posted By: Dodgem

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 02:05 PM

heads and cam can make a difference on where a motor pulls to. had a LY rod six pac piston block I shifted for years at 7000 to 7200. That motor is still alive. did have the piston pin combo lightened to 1050 grams! LOL!!!
My 4.5 stroke 542 used to shift at 7200 to 7400 loose harmonic Killed that motor.
Current motor stock crank, aluminum rod motor now 7300 to 7600! all stock blocks
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 03:08 PM

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The current low deck 440 Super Stock engine that I’m running makes power @8500… shift it there and go thru the lights there.




Steve Wann on a normal pass spins his low deck 440 Super Stock engine to 8400 so that seems pretty typical..
Posted By: Slingshot383

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 04:05 PM

400 block, steel crank, aluminum rods, light pistons, launch at 6200, shift at 7800, through the lights at 8200.
Posted By: aarcuda

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 04:58 PM

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thats like asking how high does the tide get


I can answer that , It depends on how hard the wind blows,




close. there are lots of factors. Moon phase, storm activity, winds, etc. and the answer to this question is even more complex but still the same. it depends on what you built.
Posted By: BADDART

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 05:51 PM

Low deck,3.9 stroke 470",4 speed.Stock caps with studs. Leave at 4200rpm and shift at 6800rpm thru at 7200rpm. Chris

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Posted By: atoetly

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 06:43 PM

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In the past I was only intrested in Hp per cubic inch , now days It seems Hp per cubic dollar has to be factored in also




Unless your able to BS companies out of parts for free.
I shifted my old engine at 6500 and went through the traps at 7200. Haven't got that all sorted out with the new engine yet.

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Posted By: thecarfarmer

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 09:34 PM

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So stock small blocks and stock big blocks spin around the same speed



Well, my stock 383 (stock except for a 4bbl on a DP4B...) was ALL DONE by 5K RPM. Panting and out of breath.

My last 383 (stock longblock w/ cam) spun a #6 rod bearing at an estimated 6K (4.1 gears, 26.5" tire, 50MPH in 1st w/ stock 2.45), but it was tired. Obviously. Now, it's dead.

I'm getting ready to fire the new 383 (stock block/caps with studs, 6.535" I-beam rods, 4.25" crank) in a couple weeks. We'll see if it ever needs to go over six grand (unported stealths, 262 deg. @ .050" roller) or not. If so, probably not by much.

But I'm not planning on spinning it to the moon, although I know a few members on here who report shifting their low decks with 'Source stroker kits at 7K+ RPM.

FWIW

-Bill
Posted By: BradH

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 09:43 PM

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Mine traps about 6800 to 7000. I shift it at 6500...



That pretty much describes mine: stock block; stock forged 440 crank; aftermarket h-beam rods; aftermarket forged pistons; aftermarket caps; updated oil system.

The bob weight is NOT "light" at 2500 grams, but it is around 300 grams lighter than what it would be using all OEM parts.
Posted By: tex013

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/24/09 09:56 PM

stock 440 block,1977 +055,stock caps and rods,eagle stock stroke crank ,SRP pistons,ARP main studs-rod bolts.prepped stealth heads purple 509 cam
with 3.91 gears leave at 22-2500rpm shift at 5900 trap at 6000
3700+lbs runs 11.52@118
Tex
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/25/09 01:12 AM

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thats like asking how high does the tide get


I can answer that , It depends on how hard the wind blows,




close. there are lots of factors. Moon phase, storm activity, winds, etc. and the answer to this question is even more complex but still the same. it depends on what you built.




For sure,It all depends on what parts you use.


This cast KB motor has been 10400 more than once. It will break valve springs at that RPM but the bottem end lives for any run. I shift it at 9800 and it is real easy to over rev to 10K+ in a split sec. BTW the bob weight on this one is 2250 3.750 stroke 451".500 low deck. Built for RPM, cam makes power from 8800-9800 RPM with 60# of boost. Have two complete motors sitting here.
Posted By: B1CUDA

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/25/09 01:17 AM

My factory Mopar block should be good to 9600-9800 RPM, once I get it all figured out. So far, I have "only" had it to 8100 RPM.







(It is a Mopar PS Hemi block)
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/25/09 04:44 AM

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My factory Mopar block should be good to 9600-9800 RPM, once I get it all figured out. So far, I have "only" had it to 8100 RPM.









(It is a Mopar PS Hemi block)




Shifting like granny still huh
Posted By: emarine01

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/25/09 01:33 PM

It seems that 3.75 stroke is capeable of reasonably high rpm with out high dollar parts and high rpm with some mods, any comments on stroke lenght changes and rpm, what are some of you long stroke guys turning and what did ya change to make it live?
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/25/09 11:22 PM

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My 400 block with a 4.300 stroke and 6.800 long CAT H beam steel rods, CNC ported Edelbrock heads and a Comp Cams solid roller shify at 7000 to 7300 depending on the track elevation




please elaborate.... the higher DA where would you shift.. Higher or Lower....
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/26/09 06:12 AM

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My 400 block with a 4.300 stroke and 6.800 long CAT H beam steel rods, CNC ported Edelbrock heads and a Comp Cams solid roller shify at 7000 to 7300 depending on the track elevation




please elaborate.... the higher DA where would you shift.. Higher or Lower....


My motor pulls harder and quicker at the lower altitude tracks so it rpms quicker, probally just like every other N/A motor that is close to the best tune up
Posted By: Pale_Roader

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/26/09 10:36 AM

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This cast KB motor has been 10400 more than once. It will break valve springs at that RPM but the bottem end lives for any run. I shift it at 9800 and it is real easy to over rev to 10K+ in a split sec. BTW the bob weight on this one is 2250 3.750 stroke 451".500 low deck. Built for RPM, cam makes power from 8800-9800 RPM with 60# of boost. Have two complete motors sitting here.





[Edited by Moparts - Keep it clean] me... Thats got to be the nastiest big block Mopar RPM i've heard ov. Gawd i'd love to hear that go through the traps...
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Hey How many rpms do big blocks turn - 06/26/09 04:33 PM

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This cast KB motor has been 10400 more than once. It will break valve springs at that RPM but the bottem end lives for any run. I shift it at 9800 and it is real easy to over rev to 10K+ in a split sec. BTW the bob weight on this one is 2250 3.750 stroke 451".500 low deck. Built for RPM, cam makes power from 8800-9800 RPM with 60# of boost. Have two complete motors sitting here.





[Edited by Moparts - Keep it clean] me... Thats got to be the nastiest big block Mopar RPM i've heard ov. Gawd i'd love to hear that go through the traps...





Sadly, one of my crew members committed suicide couple years ago. He was our computer tech guy and shot all of our video. I also gave him a bunch of CDs with hundreds of pictures that my sponsors had taken from all over the track at many different tracks. He was to make copies for all of my crew members and me. His father won't let go of any of his stuff, even his cars,bikes,atvs everything. I talked with his mother about a year ago and she said she would work on her husband to return the video and pictures but he hasn't yet. This guy is a packrat, he keeps everything and won't even mt out Chis room at home( he lived at home with his parents) He hung himself in his room over a girl. His mom told me his dad keeps the room intack and won't let go of anything. Chis had 8 years of pictures and hundreds of runs on video, all 5 sec runs. It was no big deal to me when we were racing that he had everything but now that I have taken a break I wish I had some of those pics and video.
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