Solid bushed roller choices?

I'm looking for solid rollers, I want to avoid hydraulic lifter issues and I don't mind adjusting valves, and a motor full of needle bearings make me worry.
- .820 roller (not .750)
- Bushed bearings (not needle)
- Oil-through to pushrods
- Standard height bore compatible (B Block 383)

I found these three, any others I should look at? Should I choose lifters with cup offset or no offset?
https://borowskirace.com/products/b...hanical-roller-lifter?variant=1300705760 - Bronze bushing $1,224
https://iskycams.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=266&products_id=2249 steel bushing $1,555
?? [no link yet] BAM bushed lifters
?? https://johncalliesinc.com/morel_products.php (Unsure which part is what)

I'm using PAC-1276X beehive springs on 440Source CNC heads, Bullet cam hydraulic 246/251 108lsa .612/.611 lift (1.6 stainless rockers), 440source lightweight 4.25" crank, .030" over 383. Haven't picked pushrods yet.

Tony at bes told me to use Isky.

Ah, I see, Isky. Adding them to the list.

I ruled out these:

https://www.howardscams.com/mechani...83-440-392-426-hemi-howards-cams-91727-2 - .750 roller
https://crower.com/enduramax-roller...ega-block-left-intake-offset-903-od.html - Tall bores only
https://www.trickflow.com/parts/tfs-21400011 - Hydraulic rollers only
https://claysmithcams.com/chrysler-...et-performance-hydraulic-roller-lifters/ - Hyd only, .700 roller
https://johnsonlifters.com/Products/Hydraulic-Roller-Lifters/ST2312BBR - .750 roller, but is short travel
http://schneidercams.com/SOLIDROLLERlifter5400-2.aspx - .750 rollers
https://www.compcams.com/endure-x-s...-centered-140-deeper-seat-set-of-16.html - Needle bearings only
http://www.pbm-erson.com/Catalog/Erson/Lifters/Solid-Mechanical%20Roller_EL/PBMRL968 (Morel) - .750 roller
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/jes-ksl90582051/make/dodge Jesel - Needle bearings $1,720

Moved from first post - do not support pushrod oiling (fast68plymouth)
https://www.compcams.com/sportsman-...shing-for-chrysler-383-440-426-hemi.html - Bronze bushing $1,195
https://www.lunatipower.com/sportsm...shing-for-chrysler-383-440-426-hemi.html - Same as Comp cams $1,195

Moved from first post - BAM needle bearing version (fast68plymouth)
https://www.hughesengines.com/Index...TGlmdGVycw==&page=1&partid=31343 BAM 2016-16 $936

I'm using those comp cam lifters in my current motor since 2021 , I inspected them earlier this year and they still feel good.

My car is a double duty ride, with this year being more strip,
Price has certainly increased a lot on them since 2020

Isky, Bam. Morel and Jesel will if you ask. I have all three in my engines currrently. Had reallly good luck with Isky, we just put a set in one engine I just had on the dyno and the other got Bam lifters.

The “regular” BAM 2016’s for $960 are needle bearing lifters.
The bronze bushing version are about $1150, and the DLC coated steel bushing version is about $1360.

The Comp cams sportsman lifters(96829B-16) do not support pushrod oiling.

Make sure you have the lifter bores bushed, so whichever lifter you use sits square/properly on the cam lobes. My lifter bores were so far off from the factory it was obscene, and caused uneven wear at the roller/lobe interface not to mention the cylinder to cylinder valve timing was likely all over the board.

I use Isky. They have close to 800 passes. Lash stays consistent. I will say the oil feed hole for the roller wheel sets below the bottom of the lifter bore. On last freshen up we put new bushings in deep enough below the bore to cover the hole. That being said they ran with the hole exposed for close to 600 passes. Spring pressures are 310/805. Oil is 5w25 JR1 synthetic changed once a year, roughly 100 passes.
Doug

I run the Morel black mamba. Not bushed but dissimilar metal axle and direct axle oiling.

Are any of the premium ones (BAM, Isky Red Zone, Morel) ok for unbushed bores or is it a crapshoot if they'll have oil control issues in a stock B/RB block?

I’ve sold several sets of BAM’s to people with unbushed stock blocks.

One of them sent me a little video of him running the priming tool with the manifold off.
He was worried about the flow of oil coming out around the lifter wheel from the EDM oiling to the axle.
It was way less than what I’d seen from similar videos using other lifters.

In the end, the hot oil pressure is fine, and that motor completed drag week this year without issue.

That's interesting. I'll have my machinist check those lifter bores.

After reading your first two posts Several times I am totally confused. Are you looking for solid or hydraulic roller lifters for your hydraulic roller cam?

That’s super helpful, thank you!

I want to use solid roller lifters on my hydraulic roller cam. A gentler lobe, no hydraulic lifter failures, no needle bearings.

T.V. programs my brain ... Engine Masters - Solid roller lifters on a hydraulic cam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZTdo2-cGCM

Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see on programs like that one on engine masters
Most automotive magazine writers where English majors before they took their first job with an auto magazine, they were not hotrodders or racers before becoming writers for the magazines they ended working for
I've seen more than one hi po speed shop employees, high performance machine shops and or hi po racing manufacturers reps. feed misinformation intentionally to magazine writers to test them to see how much the writers knew about cars and or racing of almost every type of vehicles, cars, boats, motorcycles and including airplane racing

Cab, I understand what you are saying but in my opinion the guy's on Engine Masters are way, way past that.

Bill

It can be done and I have done it as well but don't make the mistake in assuming that a hydraulic roller cam has gentler lobes. If you assess the intensity levels between the cams and compare you will find that they are on par with aggressive solid profiles or in a lot of cases more aggressive. They get away with it because the hydraulic lifter is like shock absorber.
I have a marine jet boat application that I used a Hydraulic Roller Marine lobe that is supposed to be more for endurance applications and it has a major intensity level of 29 degrees. That is very aggressive on a solid roller....
AG.

Bullet Cams says that cam with solids will work fine.

The guys on Engine Masters are far from English Majors. LOL. All 3 have forgotten more than most will know.

I just ran my jet boat over the weekend with a Hyd. roller cam on solids and started out with .006/.006 cold lash. Engine was pretty quiet but had a little noise when it was warmed up but still think it was quiet compared to the lash setting of a full solid setup.

AG.

That's good to know, since my "next build" block doesn't have bushed lifter bores like the current one does that has BAM needle-bearing rollers in it.

I like the BAM lifter features. They measured about .0005" wider than a couple of different COMP lifters I checked, so they fit the bores a little more snuggly, too.

Here’s the theoretical nominal sizing for BAM lifters:

I realized I don't need pushrod oil-thru based on the oil passage diagrams and plan to use the thickest pushrods that will work (which would retain more oil and weight).

I ordered the Lunati bushed solid lifters. A whole $119 off black friday sale. "https://www.lunatipower.com/sportsman-solid-roller-lifter-set-w-bushing-for-chrysler-383-440-426-hemi.html - Same as Comp cams $1,195" ... $1,076.36

Can't help with the bushed lifter choice. I like the valve spring choice, looks great for that combination.
I wouldn't worry about the needle bearing lifters, the cam and springs are pretty mild.
Do you need pushrod oiling? I have the 1.6:1 ratio Harlan Sharpe rockers on my 440 source heads and have had no oiling problems with the rockers / pushrods. The pushrods were ordered custom length for the correct rocker adjuster distance.
If you are going the high dollar route with pricy lifters and bushed lifter bores, I would look into the keyway lifters and bushings. Without the link bar and being able to change lifter bore diameter with the bushing it would allow a wider range of lifter choices.

The Isky bushed red zone in my drag week hemi have been rock solid, with no lash change. BUT, they are ridiculously inconsistent in diameter and tapered. I had to sort through and measure 3 sets and select the 16 that were all close enough in size and had the least taper before final honing the lifter bore bushings. And return the rest.

I have a few sets of Isky Redzone EZ-max or whatever. They are rated to 1400lbs.

The bushed Comp lifters in my GTS were around $1k a year or two ago. They are rated to 1100lbs.

As stated the Isly bodies measure all over the place. I just call and ask them to measure the set before it ships.

I wanted BAM for that engine. I think Mr. Porter told me they were out of stock at the time.

What The Frick is with trying to find their ( BAM LLC) web site, Dunn and Brad Street challenging me to sign up with them

Try this:

https://bamlifters.com/