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727 puking fluid during a run

Posted By: an8sec70cuda

727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 04:20 PM

So I noticed my 727 is puking a little fluid out of the vent during a run. It does have a transbrake (Turbo Action pro brake) and the vent is relocated to the top rear of the case at about the 11:00 position when looking at it from the rear.

Why is it doing this? Is it overfull?

Should I install a breather tank? Just remove the vent and put a different fitting in the case plumbed to a catch can? Should I do it in -4an or -6an line?
Any particular catch can yall would recommend?
I found this one earlier...
https://allstarperformance.com/mini-breather-tank-panel-mount-all36142/

Any other suggestions?
Thanks beer


Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: 727 puking fluid during a runansbrake and has the vent reloc - 06/13/23 04:25 PM

What is the fluid level warm or hot in neutral on the dipstick?
I like to run my fluid level in 727s with a deep tranny pan at the add mark, warm or hot scopeup
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: 727 puking fluid during a runansbrake and has the vent reloc - 06/13/23 04:28 PM

Cab...it's either at the full mark or just a hair below it. Maybe I should drop 1/2 a quart out and try again?
Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: 727 puking fluid during a runansbrake and has the vent reloc - 06/13/23 04:35 PM

Chip, I HEARD, never experienced, that some 727 do that, some don't and there is no explanation to this. Once again, that is what I heard. Was also told to get with Cope Transmissions for the "fix". Hope that helps. wave
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: 727 puking fluid during a runansbrake and has the vent reloc - 06/13/23 04:41 PM

If you have a deep tranny pan I would drop it one quart to make it read at the add mark when warm or hot up twocents
Do you run a trans temp gauge? I added one and found out that my drag cars with 727 would never get above 160F when foot brake racing it, same thing on my last Cuda with a Powerglide with a brake, never got above got above 200 F when hot lapping it using the brake at WOT for whatever time it was at WOT based on top bulb bracket racing shruggy confused
Posted By: JERICOGTX

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda


Should I install a breather tank?



I'd remove the 727, and install a clutch pedal. Problem solved.
Posted By: 340Cuda

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda


Should I install a breather tank?



I'd remove the 727, and install a clutch pedal. Problem solved.


That and a new drive shaft :-)
Posted By: DusterKid

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 05:39 PM

Which dip stick are you using? When I tired to use an aftermarket one years ago it wasn't marked the same as my stock one. My guess is the trans is just a tad overfilled. I have no experience with a trans brake though as I'm a footbraker. I have a trans temp gauge in my deep pan. After going some rounds this weekend my trans was 190 at the hottest I seen in the staging lanes, can't say I really ever look at it after a run, just before I make a run but I know transbrakes can build heat quickly.
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 06:04 PM

Cab...it does have a deep pan. I'll try removing some fluid and see if that helps. No trans temp gauge.

Jerico...I'm tearing up enough stuff as it is. No need to make it worse, lol.

Dusterkid...Lokar dipstick. I know it might not read perfect, but I tend to add fluid and then try the trans to see how it engages when I'm refilling it. Not relying only on the dipstick.
I wasn't on the brake long at all on any of my three passes so I don't think heat was a factor in the trans puking.
Posted By: JERICOGTX

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda

Jerico...I'm tearing up enough stuff as it is. No need to make it worse, lol.



You eventually run out of weak links...
Posted By: JAKE68

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 07:01 PM

what i have sean before is that remember that cooler return line comes in just below that vent so at high rpms fluid can splash out of vent. on all the race cars we do we always run a hose from fent to puke tank.
Posted By: jwb123

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 07:07 PM

How is your converter acting? Are you running more RPM on the big end? I have seen them puke a little when the converter slips too much. Had it happen to me. Shift light started staying on after I shifted, and it was puking a little every run. Pulled trans apart you could still see the writing on the clutches, converter fixed it.
Posted By: BANDIT

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 07:12 PM

\On my cars, all have a puke tank. The one you have in your link will work fine. Instead of AN hose, I run 1/4 in plastic air line, like big trucks have on air brakes, along with the associated push style connectors. The NAPA store here has those pieces, if not, any truck parts store should have them. Cheaper and easier than using AN stuff, and holds up fine. Jim
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 08:20 PM

My proflite has a puke tank, well more of a recovery tank as it feeds from the bottom so anything that does get in it just goes back in to the trans later. It is from heat with heat the fluid expands a fair amount. As suggested drop the level a tad and for peace of mind use a puke or recovery tank. As for converter slip causing it sure that puts more heat in the fluid. Which will cause it to expand.

FWIW we use these. I use a vent on top and the line feeds from the bottom. Airlines work just fine with pushlock fittings.

https://quartermax.com/transmission-overflow-kit/
Posted By: Gabby63

Re: 727 puking fluid during a runansbrake and has the vent reloc - 06/13/23 08:35 PM

Chip , I had this issue with one of my 727's , not sure why the other did not , but , As with all other replies , yes have deep pan & stock dip stick . I had placed a plastic bottle on vent tube , just because I wanted to know just how much it was spitting out . In my case I found it was over filled . Having talked to many folks on trans oil level it was the general consensus to not fill over where pan bolts to trans . I also installed an aftermarket dip stick which was marked also at pan gasket line . No more pushing out fluid . My plastic bottle is still on there but no fluid inside .
Posted By: rickraw

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 08:41 PM

I would check dipstick calibration. I cut out a section of the webbing under the rear support so oil can’t fill up in that area, also I plugged the oil feed hole in the end of the park paw. Stopped the small amount oil out my vent.

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Posted By: TRENDZ

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 09:06 PM

A word of advice if using any type of threaded fittings in that hole… there is a very minimal amount of material surrounding the hole. threading it to a npt should be done with extreme care. Installing the fitting can easily crack the material so “thread lightly”
Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 09:47 PM

Mine barfed on the highway one time and I never figured out why. It actually caused a small fire that extinguished itself rather quickly thankfully. It was still the factory vent location at that point, the next time the trans was out I moved it to rear. Never been an issue since that one time.
Posted By: rickraw

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 10:08 PM

Npt is not needed, I just tapped the hole for fine thread ( about 1/8” deep) green loctite screw and cut off the excess, never a problem leaking or coming apart.
Posted By: FastmOp

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/13/23 10:46 PM

I have a Jegs trans puke tank. I call it Bruce. It's good in drag applications.
Posted By: J_BODY

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/14/23 12:13 AM

I thought all the cool kids ran one? This is the race section right?? Actually I think “da rules” says we have to, either way I’ve experienced weepage at the vent with our 727 and 904. Tranz-act, Griner, Pro Trans…… all my brakes have done it in some manner. It does seem like ever since we went to the W8 mill the prob increased. I run a 47RE pan (727) or the 42RE pan on the 904 with the fluid just on the tip of the dipstick hot in N. My next race will be with the “new” 904 and that’ll have an A&A brake.

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Posted By: Leigh

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/14/23 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
So I noticed my 727 is puking a little fluid out of the vent during a run. It does have a transbrake (Turbo Action pro brake) and the vent is relocated to the top rear of the case at about the 11:00 position when looking at it from the rear.

Why is it doing this? Is it overfull?

Should I install a breather tank? Just remove the vent and put a different fitting in the case plumbed to a catch can? Should I do it in -4an or -6an line?
Any particular catch can yall would recommend?
I found this one earlier...
https://allstarperformance.com/mini-breather-tank-panel-mount-all36142/

Any other suggestions?
Thanks beer



Next time it’s apart, use a A518 overdrive retainer gasket cut down, and punched for the holes, between the output shaft support and the case. Hot cross leak from the return flow, charging the vent cavity. You’re welcome.
Posted By: dvw

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/14/23 03:07 AM

Last year mine started showing temp when making runs with-in 30 minutes. Spit the sealed dip stick out. Shortly there after the converter imploded. Swapped the converter no issues since.
doug
Posted By: justinp61

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/15/23 03:03 PM

I put my vent in the tail shaft housing and have never seen a drop out of it. I did make a little shield to go inside over the hole so the park gear can't sling oil on it.
Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/15/23 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by justinp61
I put my vent in the tail shaft housing and have never seen a drop out of it. I did make a little shield to go inside over the hole so the park gear can't sling oil on it.


That is a good point, maybe Chip's vents a little bit when he stands that big hemi powered beast up on the bumper for several hundred feet!
Posted By: Chip

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/22/23 09:56 AM

8sec...how did you make out with the trany leaking?

My trany still has the vent in the front of the pump so I too have some fluid dripping out the bellhousing now and then. Trying to figure out why too.
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/22/23 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Chip
8sec...how did you make out with the trany leaking?

My trany still has the vent in the front of the pump so I too have some fluid dripping out the bellhousing now and then. Trying to figure out why too.

I haven't had the car back out since. Probably won't run it again until some time in the fall. I have a few things to change before I run it again anyway. up
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/22/23 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by rickraw
I would check dipstick calibration. I cut out a section of the webbing under the rear support so oil can’t fill up in that area, also I plugged the oil feed hole in the end of the park paw. Stopped the small amount oil out my vent.

Chip, if it wasn't doing it before, the new vent location may be just fine.
FWIW, I ran the rear vent relocation also, and had no fluid coming out the vent. I did grind a little extra drainage in two locations on the rib below the new vent. But that rib should not seal to the gasket or the rear support (as cast), but I did add drainage so no fluid could accumulate in that cavity.

In my old race car, I found the 727 could be sensitive to a fluid level too low. Possibly due to fluid aeration if the bottom of the valve body is not covered. So go gently trying to reduce fluid level. If ET/mph drops, the trans could be aerating the fluid. It seemed strange at first, since the deep pan and filter extension will pull fluid from very low, no matter what the level.

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Posted By: rickraw

Re: 727 puking fluid during a run - 06/22/23 09:27 PM

That’s what I did on my case which looks like the one John Kunkel posted on the tail shaft removal post.I removed the webbing on the left side of that casting hump. No leaky.
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