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Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd

Posted By: mopar dave

Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 12:49 AM

Well i didn't make it to the track this fall with the new tunnel ram set up, but will come spring. I need new tires before i go and i spent enough money this year. I did get it on a chassis dyno today thou. Doms carbs have a very flat curve. Just going up 2 sizes on HSB gained 60hp. Had a 30 in it and went up with a 32. Nice gain. Tried several other thing like removing velocity stacks with screen filter and gain 6hp/4tq. The screens are that restrictive. The data at the bottom of the pages don't match up to whats on the graph. Can't explain that. Looks like 519hp/561TQ at the wheel. The guys at the shop were very impressed with Doms carbs snappyness.

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Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 12:54 AM

I was very surprised to find peak hp at 6000rpm and peak torque 4600rpm. I thinks its time to ditch the flat tappet and get a big roller in it. Would like to see the peak power at 6500 at least.

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Posted By: CSK

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 12:57 AM

Looks like the air was Real good, the correction took Hp away, did you get a uncorrected # also
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 12:59 AM

I don't think so. Humidity 40%, good air. First run it just about jumped off the dyno, had to strap better and then next it crashed the computer. After some time they got things up and running again.
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 01:06 AM

Check out the crank values. Not sure how accurate these are.

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Posted By: CSK

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 01:08 AM

Correction factor .998
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 01:20 AM

Ok, i don't know how to use the correction number. What does that tell you?
Posted By: CSK

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 01:29 AM

It made at the time more HP than what is printed out, not much, but a little.it made 499.5 without correction for the weather & corrected 498.8 , no big deal just an observation
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 01:37 AM

Not sure how they get 730 out of 520? My moroso slide rule says 675 with a Dominator. Here's a vid. https://youtu.be/qq5b9mIvJMU
Posted By: Uberpube

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 07:52 AM

Their crank values to wheel values are absurd, that would be generating a massive amount of heat to have that kind of loss..
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 01:13 PM

That was my point. I can also say Mustang dyno's sap a lot of power from your rear wheel number, but that was not the reason for going. I just needed the peak rpm numbers and the fuel curve data and i am happy with that. I just looked at my Moroso slide calculator and using mph and weight it gives 630hp using my single 1100 dominator. So with tunnel ram i would think 660-680 crank hp would be more accurate, but who knows.
Posted By: fast68plymouth

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 02:51 PM

Chassis dyno power curves, especially those that are derived from a combo with a loose converter won’t look anything like what the curve would look like from an engine dyno.

Unless something very very odd is going on with that combo, there is no way the engine TQ numbers will be higher than the HP numbers on your build.

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Their crank values to wheel values are absurd


Especially the TQ value.
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 03:41 PM

Didn't know that, but wouldn't this curve look the same as the car go's down the track?
Posted By: Dragula

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 03:42 PM

Mustang Dyno's always do that.....lol
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 03:57 PM

The last time i was on a Mustang dyno, it had me down 200hp. I had a small block then. The dyno run yesterday did show where my peaks are and i don't like where their at. Also Dom's carbs flat fuel curve after peak tq.
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 05:48 PM

I used to work in a shop with a Dynojet wheel dyno. With an auto and loose converter numbers would be all over the place. We did a S/C small block Vette that made 414 on the dyno, but ran 8:6X@153.
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 08:41 PM

Thats what i'm talkin about. I do think the Dynojets are more accurate than the Mustang thou if your looking at hp/tq numbers. The graphs off the dynojet are better laid out as well.
Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 09:07 PM

You can't really look at them as accurate IMO. You just have to look at it as a number, if you leave there and that number, whatever it is, is higher than when you got there you made an improvement. That being the case you also need to stick to one dyno and operator to be able to do comparisons on each trip.
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 09:12 PM

I agree. The are a tool.
Posted By: Dragula

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 10:21 PM

And this is why I don't dyno my chit.....
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 10:55 PM

Well ya know i did get the data i wanted. I did not go to get hp numbers. I learned years ago those were not accurate at best. I went to get peak rpm numbers and a fuel curve. To me this was valuable info and well worth $150.
Posted By: Uberpube

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 11:30 PM

I have a dynojet and can run a negative dyno test to get drivetrain losses in inertia mode., I am not sure how the mustang derives those numbers using a load cell.
I work on other types of machinery that uses the same strain gauges that a lot of load cell dyno's use, they need to be calibrated between 2 or more data points and on a regular basis.. I know some
other dyno's just have a zero'ing function but that doesn't mean anything. I have the load cell option on my dynojet, you zero it, and then put a fixed weight on a torque bar to see if the gauge is reading right.
Posted By: Dragula

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/21/20 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by mopar dave
Well ya know i did get the data i wanted. I did not go to get hp numbers. I learned years ago those were not accurate at best. I went to get peak rpm numbers and a fuel curve. To me this was valuable info and well worth $150.


That's not a bad price...Around here its $500 to get near one....

It does look like you got a chance to do some tunning....Get it to the track and take some jets!
Posted By: justinp61

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/22/20 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by mopar dave
Well ya know i did get the data i wanted. I did not go to get hp numbers. I learned years ago those were not accurate at best. I went to get peak rpm numbers and a fuel curve. To me this was valuable info and well worth $150.


My takeaway from the chassis (and engine) dyno was the same as yours. It's a tool to see changes made in the tune, the numbers fall where they will.
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Doms T rams carbs out of the box dyno'd - 11/22/20 11:05 PM

Ok, so Dwayne, you know this sft cam. So what duration in a roller would pick my peak power and torque up 500 rpm if the cam was on a 108 lobe sep in this combo? I just need a rough idea. Thanks
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