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Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam?

Posted By: Guitar Jones

Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 01:44 PM

I have a fairly mild solid roller Crane cam, 246/246 @ .050 with .3294 lobe lift, .527 lift with a 1.6 rocker that would fit my needs but I don't want to buy adjustable rockers and solid rollers. I have the bronze drive gear so that isn't a problem.
Posted By: Mopar Guy

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 04:47 PM

Some say you can ! I run a hydralic roller cam 246 252 whit 1,6 592 576 and lobe sep 108 and use morell street lifters in a 505 4 speed and thats a fun ride in a Challenger drive
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 05:11 PM

I have the Morell hydraulic lifters. I have seen on other sites where some say it depends on the rate of lift on the ramps. Too aggressive and it can hurt the lifter. I can see this if the body would come in contact with the lobe but otherwise I don't see why it would hurt them.
Posted By: topside

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 05:31 PM

I think Engine Masters had a recent episode on that, and the latest HotRod magazine has an article on that as well.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
I have a fairly mild solid roller Crane cam, 246/246 @ .050 with .3294 lobe lift, .527 lift with a 1.6 rocker that would fit my needs but I don't want to buy adjustable rockers and solid rollers. I have the bronze drive gear so that isn't a problem.

Dude, what are you thinking shock tsk
Buy the good rocker arms and solid lifters or have that cam reground to hydraulic lifter specs twocents
You know Murphy loves you, don't you whistling haha
BTW, what is mild today was wild several years ago work
I built one 426 hemi motor for a customer with hydraulic roller lifters and cam in it, never again tsk twocents
AKA aside, buy the good parts and enjoy using the motor up Don't skimp tsk
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 06:22 PM

My thought from 40 years back was a Ford and Chevy you could not run a Hyd lifter on a Solid cam. The Mopar and AMC used the 0.904" lifter so the base did not dig into the cam lobes.

But with roller's I can not see any issues. The cam is stupid and does not know that is above it. It just sits there and spins.
Posted By: fast68plymouth

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 06:29 PM

Hyd lifters on a solid cam?

Sure...... it’ll run.

Probably not too good though.

It’ll probably add about 30-40* of seat duration at the valve.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
Hyd lifters on a solid cam?

Sure...... it’ll run.

Probably not too good though.

It’ll probably add about 30-40* of seat duration at the valve.

So you mean the valve will stay closed longer, effectively reducing the duration at .050 to the 206-216 degree area? It's a tight lash cam spec'd at .020 valve clearance.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
I have a fairly mild solid roller Crane cam, 246/246 @ .050 with .3294 lobe lift, .527 lift with a 1.6 rocker that would fit my needs but I don't want to buy adjustable rockers and solid rollers. I have the bronze drive gear so that isn't a problem.

Dude, what are you thinking shock tsk
Buy the good rocker arms and solid lifters or have that cam reground to hydraulic lifter specs twocents
You know Murphy loves you, don't you whistling haha
BTW, what is mild today was wild several years ago work
I built one 426 hemi motor for a customer with hydraulic roller lifters and cam in it, never again tsk twocents
AKA aside, buy the good parts and enjoy using the motor up Don't skimp tsk

There's two problems with that. The available hydro cams all have too much lift for the other spec's I want. Namely duration in the mid 30's to 40's range and a tight LSA 107-109.
Secondly I already have the lifters
Thirdly OK, there's more than two problems, I need this thing back together and running so a custom grind is out of the question and
lastly, adjustable rockers and solid lifters are expensive. So I'm trying to make do with what I have. This is not a race car, it's my mountain truck. It has a ton of gear and a stick trans so I'm looking to work the engine at 3000-6000.
Posted By: markz528

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
I have a fairly mild solid roller Crane cam, 246/246 @ .050 with .3294 lobe lift, .527 lift with a 1.6 rocker that would fit my needs but I don't want to buy adjustable rockers and solid rollers. I have the bronze drive gear so that isn't a problem.

Dude, what are you thinking shock tsk
Buy the good rocker arms and solid lifters or have that cam reground to hydraulic lifter specs twocents
You know Murphy loves you, don't you whistling haha
BTW, what is mild today was wild several years ago work
I built one 426 hemi motor for a customer with hydraulic roller lifters and cam in it, never again tsk twocents
AKA aside, buy the good parts and enjoy using the motor up Don't skimp tsk

There's two problems with that. The available hydro cams all have too much lift for the other spec's I want. Namely duration in the mid 30's to 40's range and a tight LSA 107-109.
Secondly I already have the lifters
Thirdly OK, there's more than two problems, I need this thing back together and running so a custom grind is out of the question and
lastly, adjustable rockers and solid lifters are expensive. So I'm trying to make do with what I have. This is not a race car, it's my mountain truck. It has a ton of gear and a stick trans so I'm looking to work the engine at 3000-6000.


You can get adjustable iron rockers pretty cheap. For $150 or less you can get a set that would work for you................

You really need adjustable rockers even with a hydraulic roller cam in my experience - at least with the hyd roller I have.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 07:34 PM

It's a Magnum headed LA block. So yeah the rockers are cheap but then there are the studs, guide plates, then measuring for pushrods and ordering them and I'd still have to buy the solid roller lifters.
Posted By: fast68plymouth

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
Hyd lifters on a solid cam?

Sure...... it’ll run.

Probably not too good though.

It’ll probably add about 30-40* of seat duration at the valve.

So you mean the valve will stay closed longer, effectively reducing the duration at .050 to the 206-216 degree area? It's a tight lash cam spec'd at .020 valve clearance.


No..... I mean the exact opposite of that.

Running hyd lifters on a solid cam is the same as running it with zero lash......... because thats how much lash it will have....... zero.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
Hyd lifters on a solid cam?

Sure...... it’ll run.

Probably not too good though.

It’ll probably add about 30-40* of seat duration at the valve.

So you mean the valve will stay closed longer, effectively reducing the duration at .050 to the 206-216 degree area? It's a tight lash cam spec'd at .020 valve clearance.


No..... I mean the exact opposite of that.

Running hyd lifters on a solid cam is the same as running it with zero lash......... because thats how much lash it will have....... zero.

So I would have 286 @.050 cam? That's way, way to much. laugh2
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/18/20 07:41 PM

Would be more like a stocker cam with more lift.
Now that I've said that I kind of want to put it together and see how it runs. laugh2
I just don't have time to waste and I cant seem to get a cam.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/19/20 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Would be more like a stocker cam with more lift.
Now that I've said that I kind of want to put it together and see how it runs. laugh2
Be careful of what you ask for work
Posted By: LaRoy Engines

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/20/20 05:03 PM

I'm running hydraulic roller lifters on a street solid roller cam right now. It runs good but the idle is much rougher. Oh yeah...... I also run solid lifters on hydraulic cams. What? Am I the only one who does this crazy stuff?
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/20/20 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by LaRoy Engines
I'm running hydraulic roller lifters on a street solid roller cam right now. It runs good but the idle is much rougher. Oh yeah...... I also run solid lifters on hydraulic cams. What? Am I the only one who does this crazy stuff?

Well I don't think this was a street cam despite the conservative lift so since I need to get this together and can't afford to waste a $450 lifter set I wussed out and ordered a hydraulic roller from Utawesome Performance. His grinds are the only ones I could find with more conservative lift figures for the 1.6 magnum rockers. Don't want to smash my valve seals or have some piston to valve intercourse.

BTW Marty at Utawesome was awesome. Great guy to deal with and he knows his magnums!
Posted By: A990

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/20/20 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
BTW Marty at Utawesome was awesome. Great guy to deal with and he knows his magnums!


How have I never heard of this place? My Dakota R/T has been in the family for 18 years, and has lots of stuff done, all from the usual people.

I'll be calling him soon for a tuner and other stuff.
Thanks GJ!
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Can hydraulic roller lifters be run on a solid roller cam? - 05/20/20 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by A990
Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
BTW Marty at Utawesome was awesome. Great guy to deal with and he knows his magnums!


How have I never heard of this place? My Dakota R/T has been in the family for 18 years, and has lots of stuff done, all from the usual people.

I'll be calling him soon for a tuner and other stuff.
Thanks GJ!

Just email them, and they will be in touch. I was a little nervous because there is no phone number on the website but he did contact me. He is a real stand up guy in my book.
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