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Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head

Posted By: gzig5

Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/21/18 08:21 PM

I've found a set of iron W2 non-roller rockers for a very attractive price that should work nicely with the Econo heads I'm looking at getting. Of course the price is attractive because the set is missing one of the intake rockers, a Right I think. I'm starting to look for the unicorn single right iron rocker for sale at a reasonable price. But I've seen single roller rockers here and there before on ebay. Is there any reason I can't run a one roller tip rocker and the rest solid iron if I can find a single? I'd love to just dump $1100+ into a new set of roller rockers but my project becomes much more viable if I spend the ~$900 difference elsewhere.
Posted By: CMcAllister

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/21/18 08:39 PM

Can't think of one, as long as widths are the same. Crane sold individual Golds at on time May still. I have a NOS 69750-1 exhaust here. May have a couple of used intakes I had for spares. Will have to look.
Posted By: madscientist

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/21/18 08:59 PM

You will have one rocker that requires different geometry corrections than the other 15. I wouldn't do it. I'd not have much trouble mixing different roller rockers if and its a big IF they were exactly the same.

You can have different rockers that all require different geometry.
Posted By: Porter67

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/21/18 11:01 PM

Id have to adjust my thinking on the whole purchase, the one main issue with even the best old outdated related parts weather a rocker or a piston is if you hurt one you in a pickle. looking for a replacement.

Maybe try to buy the heads without the rockers or you could even buy them and sell them as singles and purchase a new set.

But with all that, id bet if you looked hard enough you probably could find a matching single rocker.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/21/18 11:16 PM

Member Jack Moore used to advertise W2 rockers for sale quit often. You might want to get ahold of him. He’s from the Columbus Ohio area and I think he goes by Moore and Moore on Moparts
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/21/18 11:41 PM

Bill Evans ( http://www.evanswiring.com/ )

Had some singles in a box at Carlisle, 20 bucks a piece.
Posted By: gzig5

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/22/18 11:36 PM

Originally Posted By EV2Bird
Id have to adjust my thinking on the whole purchase, the one main issue with even the best old outdated related parts weather a rocker or a piston is if you hurt one you in a pickle. looking for a replacement.

Maybe try to buy the heads without the rockers or you could even buy them and sell them as singles and purchase a new set.

But with all that, id bet if you looked hard enough you probably could find a matching single rocker.



Rockers and heads are coming from separate sources. A local shop has an unused set of large chamber Econo heads at a great price. I haven't committed to taking them until I can source a set of rockers at a reasonable (to me) cost. I'm working with a really tight budget and the car needs many things so I need to keep the total cost as low as possible to make the swap feasible. I like the idea of the potential the W2 heads hold over the current options. Downsides to them too regarding intakes and header selection. If these rockers work out, I think I can get the heads setup and ready to run for somewhere between $1500-$1700 depending on valves/springs and machining costs.

I wish the Trick Flows would announce pricing and get them out there to see if I want to go that way.

I'll contact Mr. Evans and Mr. Moore to see if they can help me out. Thanks!
Posted By: justinp61

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/23/18 12:07 AM

Will the rockers for Indy 360-1 heads fit W-2's? If so I have a complete set that came with my heads.
Posted By: madscientist

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/23/18 12:14 AM

Originally Posted By gzig5
Originally Posted By EV2Bird
Id have to adjust my thinking on the whole purchase, the one main issue with even the best old outdated related parts weather a rocker or a piston is if you hurt one you in a pickle. looking for a replacement.

Maybe try to buy the heads without the rockers or you could even buy them and sell them as singles and purchase a new set.

But with all that, id bet if you looked hard enough you probably could find a matching single rocker.



Rockers and heads are coming from separate sources. A local shop has an unused set of large chamber Econo heads at a great price. I haven't committed to taking them until I can source a set of rockers at a reasonable (to me) cost. I'm working with a really tight budget and the car needs many things so I need to keep the total cost as low as possible to make the swap feasible. I like the idea of the potential the W2 heads hold over the current options. Downsides to them too regarding intakes and header selection. If these rockers work out, I think I can get the heads setup and ready to run for somewhere between $1500-$1700 depending on valves/springs and machining costs.

I wish the Trick Flows would announce pricing and get them out there to see if I want to go that way.

I'll contact Mr. Evans and Mr. Moore to see if they can help me out. Thanks!



I have a friend with a complete set of NIB W-2 bushed rockers and brand new shafts. If you want I'll check with him and see what he wants for the stuff.


PM me if you are interested.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/23/18 12:25 AM

Originally Posted By gzig5
I'll contact Mr. Evans


I will suggest sending a photo of the exact type you need with your request, the box he had was mixed lefts & rights with TA rockers mixed in the same box.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/23/18 02:29 PM

Originally Posted By Alaskan_TA
Originally Posted By gzig5
I'll contact Mr. Evans


I will suggest sending a photo of the exact type you need with your request, the box he had was mixed lefts & rights with TA rockers mixed in the same box.


A pic would be great.. I have about 10 econo
rockers kicking around(spares) I also have a
some of the blue MP econo rockers.. might have
a few TD single shaft and a few econo multi
shaft ones but on those you need to mill the
rocker stands... but take a pic.. that makes
life so much easier
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Posted By: gzig5

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/23/18 03:45 PM

I've got a pic, but I can't get to any hosting sites through our firewall. Don't see any option to upload from computer. I can send it via email if someone will post it, or I'll try to figure out one of the hosting sites since photobucket went nutz.


Pic


Did that work? I see it but does anyone else
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/23/18 10:58 PM

It worked.
Posted By: madscientist

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/24/18 12:10 AM

Those are the bushed rockers. Could have been bushed after the fact. That was the different between the race rocker and the econo rocker. The race rocker was bushed.

IMO, they all should have been bushed.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/24/18 01:09 AM

Sorry cant help ya.. I've never had a iron rocker
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Posted By: gzig5

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/24/18 02:32 AM

Originally Posted By madscientist
Those are the bushed rockers. Could have been bushed after the fact. That was the different between the race rocker and the econo rocker. The race rocker was bushed.

IMO, they all should have been bushed.


That is good to know. I'm learning a lot.
Other than the bushing are the dimensions the same between the race and Econo versions? 1.5 ratio?
Posted By: madscientist

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/24/18 03:17 AM

Originally Posted By gzig5
Originally Posted By madscientist
Those are the bushed rockers. Could have been bushed after the fact. That was the different between the race rocker and the econo rocker. The race rocker was bushed.

IMO, they all should have been bushed.


That is good to know. I'm learning a lot.
Other than the bushing are the dimensions the same between the race and Econo versions? 1.5 ratio?


Yes.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/24/18 03:48 AM

Originally Posted By gzig5
Originally Posted By madscientist
Those are the bushed rockers. Could have been bushed after the fact. That was the different between the race rocker and the econo rocker. The race rocker was bushed.

IMO, they all should have been bushed.


That is good to know. I'm learning a lot.
Other than the bushing are the dimensions the same between the race and Econo versions? 1.5 ratio?


Also.. are your econo heads, long valve or the
standard.. they use different rockers.. MP messed
up and sent one of each heads.. took me a while
to figure out why I couldnt get the geometry right
on the standard head with the long valve rockers
on that head.. both were meant to be long valve
wave
Posted By: madscientist

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/24/18 04:37 AM

Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
Originally Posted By gzig5
Originally Posted By madscientist
Those are the bushed rockers. Could have been bushed after the fact. That was the different between the race rocker and the econo rocker. The race rocker was bushed.

IMO, they all should have been bushed.


That is good to know. I'm learning a lot.
Other than the bushing are the dimensions the same between the race and Econo versions? 1.5 ratio?


Also.. are your econo heads, long valve or the
standard.. they use different rockers.. MP messed
up and sent one of each heads.. took me a while
to figure out why I couldnt get the geometry right
on the standard head with the long valve rockers
on that head.. both were meant to be long valve
wave



So the saddles were different heights between the two heads?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/24/18 04:58 AM

Originally Posted By madscientist
Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
Originally Posted By gzig5
Originally Posted By madscientist
Those are the bushed rockers. Could have been bushed after the fact. That was the different between the race rocker and the econo rocker. The race rocker was bushed.

IMO, they all should have been bushed.


That is good to know. I'm learning a lot.
Other than the bushing are the dimensions the same between the race and Econo versions? 1.5 ratio?


Also.. are your econo heads, long valve or the
standard.. they use different rockers.. MP messed
up and sent one of each heads.. took me rockers
on that head.. both were meant to be long valve
wave



So the saddles were different heights between the two heads?
a while
to figure out why I couldnt get the geometry right
on the standard head with the long valve

Yep.. I dont recall the diff at the moment but
they are different heights.. Mopar screwed me on
that set of heads.. weighted 9 months for them
and one set was all wrong.. it had a hole in it
that I had to fix(was in the oil area.. easy job
to fix.. braised it up)
wave


Posted By: 70AARcuda

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/24/18 05:44 AM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mopar-Chrysler-SB-318-340-360-W2-offset-Ductile-Iron-Rockers/163217709660?epid=15023005937&hash=item2600889a5c:g:43cAAOSw-qJbfyas:sc:USPSPriority!89110!US!-1

6 cast iron bushed intake rockers.
Posted By: gzig5

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/24/18 03:44 PM

[/quote]

Also.. are your econo heads, long valve or the
standard.. they use different rockers.. MP messed
up and sent one of each heads.. took me a while
to figure out why I couldnt get the geometry right
on the standard head with the long valve rockers
on that head.. both were meant to be long valve
wave [/quote]

I want to say they are the long valve but I'll have to check with the shop. Do you happen to know which PN's go with which? I don't have access to any of the old catalogs and while I was of age back when this stuff was new, I wasn't paying attention.
Posted By: madscientist

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/24/18 07:10 PM

Originally Posted By gzig5
[/quote]

Also.. are your econo heads, long valve or the
standard.. they use different rockers.. MP messed
up and sent one of each heads.. took me a while
to figure out why I couldnt get the geometry right
on the standard head with the long valve rockers
on that head.. both were meant to be long valve
wave


I want to say they are the long valve but I'll have to check with the shop. Do you happen to know which PN's go with which? I don't have access to any of the old catalogs and while I was of age back when this stuff was new, I wasn't paying attention. [/quote]



I have some old catalogs I can dig out and take a look. That's why I asked Mr P body because I don't remember that either. And I THOUGHT I was paying attention.

Of course, I only used the race heads and never an econo.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Mixing Rockers in a W2 Head - 08/24/18 09:31 PM

Measure the valve length.. the standard W-2
has a intake that is 5.28 long.. the long
valve is 5.40 long(intake)... the PN for the
long valve econo head is P4529995... the PN
for the standard enono head is P4529994
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