Sneak peek pecker extension

I will do some back-to-back to see what it is worth..

Pro mod stuff. LOL

what is it supposed to do?

Trips the finish line beams instead of the tires. It should be high enough (3" according to rules) above the ground so it doesn't affect the starting line beams. But it will quicken ET's and may make it more difficult for other racers to judge the car at the finish line.

Some classes don't allow that mod, but cars with certain front end configurations and/or soft front suspensions can be made to trip the lights with their factory spoilers, especially if you brake at just the right time.

Look around at the races next time. You might be surprised. Used on dragsters and roadsters too.

Could be a game changer....

They have a max length also.. if I remember
right it was 36" from the center of spindle
to the front edge.. they do help.. you shorten
the track by X length

Ive heard that if you sand blast all the paint off the car and remove the license plate it will run faster too.

every little detail matters when you are running naturally aspirated.. in 1/8 mile racing a lot of races are won and lost within 3 feet.. we struggle for every bit of et that we find at this point.. and you can count on the next time the car gets painted it will be completely stripped to bare metal..

A painted surface is slipperier than a non painted
surface... BUT paint adds weight.. why do the
hot shot NHRA & NASCAR run painted surfaces.. they
also need a place to advertise but the weight of
the paint is also added into the total weight.. if
I recall correctly a paint job on a car my size
was 50#.. a full size can be as high as 100#
EDIT
Dollar VS dollar it is was more expensive to just
do a bare paint job.. if your talking no body
filler.. but even if you do a bare metal your
still gonna have to spray a clear to protect the
metal so its not truly a paintless job

on a tour though the Boeing factory we where told one 747 they put 600 gallon of paint on the airplane,thats around 4000 lbs.when its being
painted the wheels are on scales!

Sounds about right to me

John Dieana said something to me about paint weight on race cars years ago, I would like to see the before and after weight of a car without paint and then with paint due to the evaporation of all the liquids n the paint
BTW, we call them stripe takers out here, not pecker extensions

the evap will vary just the way a guy sprays.. I
forgot the numbers on my car.. I have painted it
6 different times but sanded back to metal each
time and if I recall right it only varied like
6#.. that was a base/clear with a sealer each time

Pecker extensions,- I was thinking something else..

So, basically, you are shortening the distance to trip the beams. Might make for a quicker et slip, but in reality, it isn't any faster. I'm building N/A because I need to prove to myself how good I am. I don't need any sort of drag race version of Viagra to help me.

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It helps level the playing field with the new cars that are low and have long noses.

obviously you have outsmarted yourself.this is not for looks nor is it cheating.. it's about winning races.. we race against Ferd's and shitolets that have a long frontal area.. as smart as you are do you think my Dodge Dart should be the first one to the finish line but lose the race.. because the front valence of the Mustang got to the beam before my tire..

LOL,
It's all about changing the game and turning on the win light.....
Grab a lane boys and girls... Or Just sit and watch how it's done...

You would think that if the beams can be positioned properly to stage with the tires. The ET beams would be positioned the same way. If I'm wrong, then I've learned something today. Glad I'm putting a spoiler on the front of my Cuda.

If you will notice many of American Airlines planes are mostly polished not painted. The reason is weight.

SGcuda the top end beams are higher up.

Have you ever lost to a dragster and think you had him? That wing on the front can mess with you

I have seen a few write up on this. Here is one

www.dragtimenews.com/BracketRacing101-ItsAllInTheTimingPt2.htm

Almost laughable for anyone who races heads up.

1318 feet

I like it, any and every little thing helps.

I believe the finish line beams are roughly 6 in high you could see how this car would definitely have an advantage over the Dodge Dart

I believe that most tracks staging are 1.5 inches high.. and the finish line can be roughly 6 in high

I have been kicking around the idea of putting a stripe taker on my black Duster because I race against so many Dragsters in box class. That would change up the way they line you up at the starting line by about 18 inches. Not really a fan of the ones that stick out past the bumper.

Starting line is 3" high.. every thing else is
6" high

I remember friends of mine that worked for NHRA division seven saying 3.0 inches off the ground to, I think, the center of the bulb and receiver unit on the staging beams, 6.0 inches on the other end bulbs and recievers
As far as heads up stripe takers NHRA limits the 36.0 inch rule max from the center of the spindle to the front due to the funny cars guys moving the front air dams out further than those cars body styles came with back a long time ago

I was wondering if someone can verify the height of the staging beams I keep finding 1.5 to 1 5/8. And some people have mentioned three in on here. some places are saying minimum car height of 3 in... thanks in advance

You have to have 3" of clearance to 12" behind
the center line of the spindle.. lesser than 3"
you will not pass NHRA inspection(other tracks
) anything past the starting line is
6"
EDIT
I had to raise my car 1/4" due to the NHRA rule
when I built it

The little secret they don't want to mention is that it also increases MPH readings 3-5 mph, so they can brag about how much more Horsepower they have.

This ain't new, back in the early 70s, none other than the "famous" Royce Mller (MIR) had a 69 Camaro with the front spoiler across the front,very low. He would dump the car at he stripe, fooling the other guy into thinking they where ahead. A lot of smart guys around that area at that time. Fuzzy Norton had one of the first delay boxes then also, very hard to beat those guys, no backing into a win.

How does it do that? If the cones/beams down track are all the same height (lower than the stage beam), how does the extension make the MPH faster? I understand the ET being slightly quicker b/c the distance travelled is thrown off w/ the extension.

How do you figure that? If all the down track beams are 6" off the track the speed will be the same.

Maybe the tire hits the first one and when the front end drops the pecker hits the last one, less time=faster mph, same as et.??
Can't see it happening if down for both.

MILES PER HOUR TIMER
Also known as the speed trap, this timer is located 66 feet before the finish line. It records the car’s average speed between it and the finish line. This is the mile per hour figure on your time slip.

So, if the car got there sooner, with the extension, would it fool the timer into a faster speed?

I may be out in left field here, but if I were to put one on my car I'd want it to trip everything but the pre stage/stage beams, even under full power.

Thats what you want.. mount the stripe taker about
4" off the ground with you in it... some cars get
higher at speed some get lower

My understanding is that the MPH is measured on how long it takes the car to break the last two beams at the end of the track. The extension breaks these two beams, unlike the stage beams which are broken by the tires. With an extension, the car will technically get to the last two beams quicker, but it will not change the speed at which it breaks both of them.

Starting line beams are usually right at 1.5"+-. The top end beams are generally 6"+-. The Rulebook has a 3" minimum rule to make sure you clear. Means nothing about how high the beams are. If the rules allow a pecker extender then why not take advantage of it. Some of the new late model cars have 40" of front overhang on them. Meaning when you leave the have an immediate 40" advantage on cars like a Dart that is not in the weeds.

I believe the NHRA's current stance on pecker extenders is they are not legal. They are only allowed to be even with the farthest point forward on the car, ie the leading edge of the front bumper. Many many bracket cars use stripe takers on the front end. Once of those things you need to pay attention to in the lanes for sure.

thank you for clarifying The Starting Line beam height.. I will be taking the car out tonight to test the new converter as well as the extension.. hopefully all goes well

MPH will be faster if a driver can break the beams with the front tires but hit the brakes and dip the nose for a stripe taker or spoiler to trip the last MPH beam, which is also the finish line/stop ET. They wouldn't be losing much actual forward momentum, but it can dip the front with soft springs/shocks.

Myron, you're right, that's the only way the MPH could be affected. From what I've seen of the cars running these extensions, they are fast enough that the front of the car is slammed to the ground at speed for aerodynamics. Not to mention the speeds they're running. I find it hard to believe any of them are diving on the brakes to "gain" a couple mph.

Not for MPH, but it can still throw off the opponent when he doesn't know where to judge - if the lights are being tripped with the wheels or the strip taker/spoiler.

Let's say you have a car that goes 140 mph in the 1/4. If you add a pecker extender, how much ET do you lose per inch?

You should gain ET, run quicker, by some .0001s, not loose it due to the clocks stopping sooner off of the stripe taker, correct
If your traveling at 140 MPH when you multiplied 140 MPH by 5280=739200 which is the feet per hour, correct If you multiply that by 12 inches for inches per hour you get 8870400 inches per hour which = inches per minute when you divide that by 12=147840 inches per minute which divided by 60 again to get the feet per second=2464 inches per second which also = 205.33 Ft. per second, correct
If you took a 18 inch extension for the stripe taker from the front edge of the tires it should be the same as dividing 2464 by 100 to get the inches per one hundred of a second, correct 2464 divided by 100 =24.64 inches per .01 ET so the gain should be less than .01, correct
I'm not a math guru or drag racing geek so those more in the know on this please chip in if I have part of this math incorrect please so I can learn the proper way to figure things like this out

OK, Cab, I took your math to the next level and came up with this:

.000002857 per mph per inch. So lets look at an 18" extender at 140: 18x140x.000002857 = .0072 quicker ET.

At 200 mph: .010

I read an article on them and their math is very similar to Hemi Joel's. It ain't much but for a competitive racer... it all counts. I personally don't like them at all but I get it.

This came into our shop for repairs today. He says it's a work truck, but I think it's one of those sleepers with an adjustable pecker. What do you guys think?

Too far up in the air.. needs to be a lot lower

It's hard.