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588 cubes

Posted By: rebel

588 cubes - 04/02/18 11:48 AM

What's your guys thoughts on a 588 build? I have the option of buying an aftermarket shortblock with a Molnar crank, GRD alloy rods & Diamond pistons. The crank & rods are new, pistons have seen some action. Is this a good combo? I see a lot of 572 & 604 combos, 588 seems to be a bit of an orphan but keen to hear opinions.
Posted By: sgcuda

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 12:53 PM

Good combo. Lots of torque. A 572 is 4.50 bore x 4.50 stroke. So, a 588 is a little more of either. A good head will go a long way. I'm building a 605, 4.625 stroke x 4.560 bore, with an Indy solid block and B1 heads. Pistons are specific for Indy heads vs. B1 heads.
Posted By: dvw

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 01:51 PM

I just purchased a Molnar crank. Seems to be a nice piece. A 588 is generally a 4.560" bore 4.500 stroke. It's at max bore for standard bore spacing.
Doug
Posted By: Old School

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 02:02 PM

I had Todd at Marsh performance build Me a 588 for my 68 Cuda street car. 4.5 bore 4.625 stroke. It made 960 horsepower and 860 foot pounds of torque. It's an awesome combo......
Posted By: 70satelliteguy

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 04:35 PM

"It's an awesome combo....."
Old school could you give some details?
Thanks
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 04:49 PM

Id say 4.500 X 4.625 is the Mopar std for a 588. IMO just need a good set of heads to support the cubes.
Posted By: Old School

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 04:55 PM

Originally Posted By 70satelliteguy
"It's an awesome combo....."
Old school could you give some details?
Thanks


Sure. Indy aluminum RB Block. Indy 572 - 13 heads, they flow 410 CFM. 14.1 cr. .800" 290@.050 solid roller cam... It's in a 68 Cuda Fastback with a passion 5-speed Overdrive.

On the dyno graph the top two lines are with an indy 3x manifold and Dominator. The lower two or with a Mopar 337 and 850 double Pumper. The double pumper and 337 manifold really choked it down!

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Posted By: Eric

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By dvw
I just purchased a Molnar crank. Seems to be a nice piece. A 588 is generally a 4.560" bore 4.500 stroke. It's at max bore for standard bore spacing.
Doug


Molnar is nice stuff...I have his crank and rods in the Arrow.
Posted By: RATTRAP

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By Old School
Originally Posted By 70satelliteguy
"It's an awesome combo....."
Old school could you give some details?
Thanks


Sure. Indy aluminum RB Block. Indy 572 - 13 heads, they flow 410 CFM. 14.1 cr. .800" 290@.050 solid roller cam... It's in a 68 Cuda Fastback with a passion 5-speed Overdrive.

On the dyno graph the top two lines are with an indy 3x manifold and Dominator. The lower two or with a Mopar 337 and 850 double Pumper. The double pumper and 337 manifold really choked it down!


What are you using for clutching behind that 572 ???
Posted By: Sammy

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 05:31 PM

4.375 bore and 4.625 crank is the most popular and make gobs of torque.
I'm a fan
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 05:38 PM

Originally Posted By Sammy
4.375 bore and 4.625 crank is the most popular and make gobs of torque.
I'm a fan


FYI that would be 566" and cant say I've ever heard anyone running one like that
Posted By: 68roadrunner

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 05:40 PM

4.625 stroke, i wonder what the longevity of the bearings are beating on it in a bracket car turning it 7k?
Posted By: Old School

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 05:57 PM

Originally Posted By RATTRAP
Originally Posted By Old School
Originally Posted By 70satelliteguy
"It's an awesome combo....."
Old school could you give some details?
Thanks


Sure. Indy aluminum RB Block. Indy 572 - 13 heads, they flow 410 CFM. 14.1 cr. .800" 290@.050 solid roller cam... It's in a 68 Cuda Fastback with a passion 5-speed Overdrive.

On the dyno graph the top two lines are with an indy 3x manifold and Dominator. The lower two or with a Mopar 337 and 850 double Pumper. The double pumper and 337 manifold really choked it down!


What are you using for clutching behind that 572 ???


It's 588 cubic inches. I use a McLeod dual disk clutch. I expect zero problems with it
Posted By: Old School

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 06:07 PM

Originally Posted By Sammy
4.375 bore and 4.625 crank is the most popular and make gobs of torque.
I'm a fan


At that small of a bore, it would really shroud the valves and not let it breathe.....
Posted By: RATTRAP

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By RATTRAP
What are you using for clutching behind that 572 ???

[quote=Old School]It's 588 cubic inches. I use a McLeod dual disk clutch. I expect zero problems with it


What RPM are you going to shift at ? I hear a duel clutch will not be able to handle a higher RPM shift, say around 7800 to 8000 RPM. Anyone else want to chime in!
Posted By: madscientist

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 07:06 PM

The clutch will be a problem if you want to shift above 6000ish.
Posted By: Old School

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By madscientist
The clutch will be a problem if you want to shift above 6000ish.


Who told you that? I do it every time I drive and have been for the last 20 years with no problems......πŸ‘
Posted By: Old School

Re: 588 cubes - 04/02/18 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By RATTRAP
Originally Posted By RATTRAP
What are you using for clutching behind that 572 ???

[quote=Old School]It's 588 cubic inches. I use a McLeod dual disk clutch. I expect zero problems with it


What RPM are you going to shift at ? I hear a duel clutch will not be able to handle a higher RPM shift, say around 7800 to 8000 RPM. Anyone else want to chime in!


I will probably shift around 7000. I have been using these clutches for the last 20 years and I have never had a problem with themπŸ‘
Posted By: sgcuda

Re: 588 cubes - 04/03/18 01:58 AM

My new mill is 4.625 stroke x 4.560 bore. I will more than likely be using a single disc 10" clutch. Works fine well above the engines potential. Still deciding on Black Magic (Cale Aronson), Advanced (Robe Youngblood) or HRS (Chris Hyatt). You can't go wrong with any of them.
Posted By: sjs64polara

Re: 588 cubes - 04/03/18 03:07 AM

I run a 588 in my 64 Dodge. Engine was built by Todd Goodwin. It runs very strong.
Posted By: qwkmopardan

Re: 588 cubes - 04/03/18 05:31 AM

Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
Originally Posted By Sammy
4.375 bore and 4.625 crank is the most popular and make gobs of torque.
I'm a fan


FYI that would be 566" and cant say I've ever heard anyone running one like that


My math says 556.22 c.i.
Posted By: madscientist

Re: 588 cubes - 04/03/18 06:11 AM

Originally Posted By sgcuda
My new mill is 4.625 stroke x 4.560 bore. I will more than likely be using a single disc 10" clutch. Works fine well above the engines potential. Still deciding on Black Magic (Cale Aronson), Advanced (Robe Youngblood) or HRS (Chris Hyatt). You can't go wrong with any of them.



Sure can't go wrong with any of those guys. Cale did my current clutch. Had it when he got hurt.

I should call him and see how he's doing.
Posted By: Sammy

Re: 588 cubes - 04/03/18 01:24 PM

Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
Originally Posted By Sammy
4.375 bore and 4.625 crank is the most popular and make gobs of torque.
I'm a fan


FYI that would be 566" and cant say I've ever heard anyone running one like that




My mistake but isn't it a 557 ci. with 4.375 x 4.625

I meant 4.50 x 4.625
Posted By: Sammy

Re: 588 cubes - 04/03/18 01:25 PM

Originally Posted By qwkmopardan
Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
Originally Posted By Sammy
4.375 bore and 4.625 crank is the most popular and make gobs of torque.
I'm a fan


FYI that would be 566" and cant say I've ever heard anyone running one like that


My math says 556.22 c.i.



Yes this is correct.
Posted By: Old School

Re: 588 cubes - 04/03/18 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By qwkmopardan
Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
Originally Posted By Sammy
4.375 bore and 4.625 crank is the most popular and make gobs of torque.
I'm a fan


FYI that would be 566" and cant say I've ever heard anyone running one like that


My math says 556.22 c.i.


And mine says 555.93 😁
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: 588 cubes - 04/03/18 03:44 PM

Fat fingers small phone smile
Posted By: Sammy

Re: 588 cubes - 04/03/18 04:55 PM

Indy cylinder head liked to push that 588 combo when they had too many Callies 4.625 magnum cranks.
Posted By: qwkmopardan

Re: 588 cubes - 04/03/18 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By Sammy
Indy cylinder head liked to push that 588 combo when they had too many Callies 4.625 magnum cranks.


That's where I bought mine.
Posted By: Sammy

Re: 588 cubes - 04/03/18 08:16 PM

Originally Posted By qwkmopardan
Originally Posted By Sammy
Indy cylinder head liked to push that 588 combo when they had too many Callies 4.625 magnum cranks.


That's where I bought mine.



I meant 557 ci combo, wow, am I losing it? Or maybe I'm dislectic.lol
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: 588 cubes - 04/03/18 08:48 PM

We have run a 557" deal as well. 4.50x4.375. Bore makes HP after all smile Had one in the dragster that went 7.90's with a -1 head.
Posted By: Bigcube

Re: 588 cubes - 04/04/18 03:23 AM

Originally Posted By Sammy
Originally Posted By qwkmopardan
Originally Posted By Sammy
Indy cylinder head liked to push that 588 combo when they had too many Callies 4.625 magnum cranks.


That's where I bought mine.



I meant 557 ci combo, wow, am I losing it? Or maybe I'm dislectic.lol

Lot's of ways to get to 557. Mine was 4.440" bore with a 4.5" stroke.
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