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Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits?

Posted By: humpty

Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/15/17 07:52 PM

I'm seeing more cars with Transbrakes with the ability to launch in 2nd gear and am curious about what the benefits are and what additional setup is required to take advantage of it. All feedback is welcome.

Thanks in advance!
Posted By: Dave Hall

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/15/17 08:38 PM

All I know about it is this. My car is a tenth quicker with a powerglide from a 727. I don't know if the change is apples to apples with a small block. Your car is stupid fast and looks to be street driven. I don't think it would 60 any better in 2nd. I think dead on consistency is more the goal leaving in second. My .02.
Posted By: A727Tflite

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/15/17 09:06 PM

On stupid fast cars that yank the wheels - consistency and ease in driving. Friends car only lost a tenth using second gear launch - but he says it is so much easier to leave the line and get down the track. It's a mid 8's car.
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/15/17 09:49 PM

I'll eventually get one of these valvebodies from CRT so I can launch in 2nd gear. It's a cheap alternative to a powerglide, which is what my car really needs. I have way too much SLR for a 572" motor on nitrous. Leaving in 2nd gear would really help get the car off the line without incinerating the tires.
Posted By: Dave Hall

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/15/17 09:57 PM

Just put a full on race case glide in it and go 8.60's! up I don't know if you have a clean neutral but it's cool to click it into neutral at the stripe instead of decelerating against the engine. Harder on your already taxed brakes though.
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/15/17 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By Dave Hall
Just put a full on race case glide in it and go 8.60's! up I don't know if you have a clean neutral but it's cool to click it into neutral at the stripe instead of decelerating against the engine. Harder on your already taxed brakes though.

Believe me, I would in a heartbeat if I had the money. There's a complete brand new ATI powerglide for a BB Mopar for sale here locally for 4 grand.
My family comes first, so I'll just have to work with what I have already. wave
Posted By: Dave Hall

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/15/17 10:09 PM

When you have an 11 sec. car, everything is like $900 to make it go 10's. When you have a low 9 or high 8 sec. car, everything is 4K to get it to go faster! After you spend the money and get the trans. you still have to deal with the converter, flexplate, trans. X member, starter, driveshaft and shifter, none of which are cheap. Stupid money...
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/15/17 10:12 PM

Originally Posted By Dave Hall
When you have an 11 sec. car, everything is like $900 to make it go 10's. When you have a low 9 or high 8 sec. car, everything is 4K to get it to go faster! After you spend the money and get the trans. you still have to deal with the converter, flexplate, trans. X member, starter, driveshaft and shifter, none of which are cheap. Stupid money...

Oh I know this very well. I've helped friends w/ their stupid fast cars and seen what it costs to do it. I'm perfectly happy that my car is now a real 8 sec car, but now I'm taking a step back from it due to the costs involved. My footbrake bracket car should be track ready this spring. ('69 road runner, 446" Indy headed wedge, 727, Dana 60, etc.)
Posted By: R3 Racing

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/15/17 10:31 PM

A good friend of mine told me that 500 horsepower in a Mopar will cost $5000 and every hundred horsepower after that will be another $5000. He was pretty close to right on.
Posted By: justinp61

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/15/17 11:07 PM

I have one of John's brakes that will work in second in my small block street/strip Dart. The only reason I bought it is because my local track isn't normally good and I run radials most of the time. I had the car there this fall and it spun every time I tried the brake in low, leaving at 2500 in second it went 1.51 60'. Foot braking it went 1.40.
Posted By: GY3

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/15/17 11:33 PM

While my car isn't as fast as others, we do quite a few small town "Street Drag" events that have popped up.

After much experimentation, we found 2nd gear launches coupled with 100 lbs. mounted directly over the rear bumper works well with Drag Radials and Cal-Tracs.

A dusty, asphalt street is quite the challenge, especially when most are 330 ft. or less due to event insurance. The launch is critical!
Posted By: SILVER67

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/15/17 11:37 PM

I have a friend that is a small tire 28” nitrous car

We struggled with 1st gear launch with the 727 2.45 first gear launch off the brake at 3,500 for almost ½ this season

Once we started 2nd gear launch the violence went away
We just about cut the SLR in half
Cope 2nd gear t-brake launch valve body

The downside to this on this type of car is that wheelies and wheel stands started…………so power management and suspension adjustment became mandatory…pronto
Posted By: earthmover

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/15/17 11:55 PM

This is why I asked about 727 ratio a while back my builder wants to know so ee can leave in second gear ..i asked about going to the glad he said skip it t400 better all day 3speed..told me we may change gear in my 727 but we will test first see how it works out..
Posted By: Dave Hall

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 12:14 AM

Originally Posted By justinp61
I have one of John's brakes that will work in second in my small block street/strip Dart. The only reason I bought it is because my local track isn't normally good and I run radials most of the time. I had the car there this fall and it spun every time I tried the brake in low, leaving at 2500 in second it went 1.51 60'. Foot braking it went 1.40.

That's an unbelievable jump in performance! What were the ET differences between the two short times? I originally thought that these VB's would be better for BB's.
Posted By: justinp61

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 12:28 AM

Dave, my small block is 434" with a 4.125" crank. The car ran 6.49 on the pass I left in second gear. It felt very different, like the car just sat down in the rear and stayed there for a couple seconds. On the 1.40 60' foot brake pass the fuel pump locked up and the car died at about 500' or so. Looking at the incremental's to 330' it would've been a low 6.30 pass if it didn't pick up any more in the back half.

The foot brake pass was leaving in first, sorry if I wasn't clear in my previous post.
Posted By: a493demon

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 12:35 AM

I went 1.27 with CRTs 2nd gear leave t-brake .
I also did a 300 + foot wheelie that didn't want to come down until I lifted .
Leaving in 1st on my car just hasn't worked so we went to the 2nd gear and we have been pretty happy with it .
I will say that the couple passes we made on nut using the 2nd gear it was a dog in the 60ft so it took me some time to decide to use 2nd when spraying.
Pretty sure we can go a low 1.20 or high teen once we get more of a handle on the chassis .
Pic is 2nd gear leave .

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Posted By: a493demon

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 12:36 AM

This pic is after doing a bunch of chassis changes

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Posted By: humpty

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 01:53 AM

Thanks for the replies. I wouldn’t put mine in the stupid fast category but it sure gets out of hand trying to launch in first gear smile

I’m wondering if a looser converter helps when launching with a lower SLR?

Justinp61 - did you try launching any higher than 2500 rpm? If so did your 60’ improve?
Posted By: Dave Hall

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 01:55 AM

I like the first pic better! There's just something about a car clawing for the sky that is so bada$$!
Posted By: justinp61

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 02:31 AM

Originally Posted By humpty
Thanks for the replies. I wouldn’t put mine in the stupid fast category but it sure gets out of hand trying to launch in first gear smile

I’m wondering if a looser converter helps when launching with a lower SLR?

Justinp61 - did you try launching any higher than 2500 rpm? If so did your 60’ improve?


No, next spring I plan on more testing.
Posted By: a493demon

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 02:32 AM

That was the only pic I could find of that wheelie lol
Posted By: polyspheric

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 02:59 AM

Take out as much power as you like, add it back later: spark retard.
Posted By: ozymaxwedge

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 03:42 AM

So who could benefit from this second gear launch the most ? A tuff SB, a nitrous combo ? Would the typical NA 700hp big block car that struggles for traction like it ?
Posted By: a493demon

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 03:46 AM

My engine makes 875 NA and felt sluggish in the 60ft to me .
I don't remember the 60 ft time .
But my conv. is tight .
Oh and it didn't spin lol .
Posted By: dvw

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 03:49 AM

Anybody foot brake leaving in 2nd?
Doug
Posted By: SILVER67

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 03:50 AM

Originally Posted By a493demon
My engine makes 875 NA and felt sluggish in the 60ft to me .
I don't remember the 60 ft time .
But my conv. is tight .
Oh and it didn't spin lol .


And it launched on the nitrous timing curve..
Posted By: earthmover

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/16/17 03:53 AM

Originally Posted By dvw
Anybody foot brake leaving in 2nd?
Doug



I'll be foot braking
Posted By: Tempest

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/17/17 02:30 PM

I do on the street with a big inch Pro Street car just to avoid as much as possible the 1st gear, rolled sprag issue. Figure if I did have an issue w/ the trans, the drum won't be turning as fast.
Posted By: larry890

Re: Transbrake 2nd gear leave - benefits? - 11/17/17 05:44 PM

ive had the CRT clean neutral with 2nd gear leave valve body in my car for 2 seasons. I LOVE IT! Having the ability to leave in second on the trans brake is great. I have a 8sec turbo car and use a bump box to help get consistant boost on the brake. also with new style solenoid he has, it reacts super fast. I highly recommend it.
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