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Blower Reference lines

Posted By: ForcedInductions

Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 12:24 AM

the issue i have is the reference lines fill up quickly with fuel.
im not sure if it has any affect on the powervalve.
ie damages it, or causes it to not get reading.

i assume (ass out of you and me) that it wont matter it will still see signal.

can anyone confirm or deny these accusations?
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 01:36 AM

Originally Posted By ForcedInductions
the issue i have is the reference lines fill up quickly with fuel.
im not sure if it has any affect on the powervalve.
ie damages it, or causes it to not get reading.

i assume (ass out of you and me) that it wont matter it will still see signal.

can anyone confirm or deny these accusations?
confused
Are you asking a question about the blower, carb. or fuel filters?
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 01:47 AM

A picture would be worth a 1000 words.
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 02:22 PM

Originally Posted By ForcedInductions
the issue i have is the reference lines fill up quickly with fuel.
im not sure if it has any affect on the powervalve.
ie damages it, or causes it to not get reading.

i assume (ass out of you and me) that it wont matter it will still see signal.

can anyone confirm or deny these accusations?


I would try to route the line so it drains back to the manifold and no I would not worry about it too much at this point. Do you have your carb setup like this one in my link?

I know you don't want to hear this but, IMO carbs don't work so well on blowers. You should go injection if your gonna use a blower and blow the guys away who are trying to use carbs.

Checkout this link to get familer with what he is asking about.
LINK
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 03:16 PM

I don't think there should be any fuel in the vac,boost side of the power valve.
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By Clanton
I don't think there should be any fuel in the vac,boost side of the power valve.


Since that line is under boost sometimes it stands to reason that fuel is going find it's way into that line. All you can do is route it so it can drain when the boost goes away. Part of the reason carbs are not the best for blowers.
Posted By: ForcedInductions

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 04:51 PM

its a factory referenced carb.
the lines i used are clear so they are fuel milky inside
seems to be running fine
and yes they would see fuel since its manifold pressure/vacc under the carb/blower
so the fuel mixture goes inside.

no picture yet i can take one (never had to take one of a boring reference line before)
Posted By: ForcedInductions

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 04:52 PM

next question is diameter of the lines really matter?
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 05:23 PM

Originally Posted By ForcedInductions
next question is diameter of the lines really matter?
I just have never had fuel in my gauge line for boost,vacuum but that is a 1/8 nylon.I would say you have a leak at some point letting it migrate up the line.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 05:33 PM

Your leak may be very small but if you put a hand vacuum pump on the line going to the carb you can test it with the car not running.
Posted By: ForcedInductions

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 07:04 PM

i dont have any leaks...
i pull about 15lbs vacuum at idle under the blower.
and hit 12lbs boost. the reference line is under the blower.
where air and fuel are. usually people use black lines.
i just had clear so wanted to make sure.

my line is 1/4 clear hose.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 08:04 PM

Originally Posted By ForcedInductions
i dont have any leaks...
i pull about 15lbs vacuum at idle under the blower.
and hit 12lbs boost. the reference line is under the blower.
where air and fuel are. usually people use black lines.
i just had clear so wanted to make sure.

my line is 1/4 clear hose.
The 1/4" will be fine!Air moves fast,Just watch for heat related effect like getting too soft or bending and keeping that form.
Posted By: ForcedInductions

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 09:54 PM

form seems good.
here is the pix

cant make it all drain back.
its not really a solid more like a foam

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/27/17 11:05 PM

So those are in the base plate? I just did a pair of 850's for a 588 BB Chevy in a boat and they referenced from the ported hole in the metering blocks w/hard line and no issues w/fuel that I could see and he said they flat out flew............
Posted By: ForcedInductions

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/28/17 12:33 AM

no they go into the front of each carb just above the mounting flange
so far im not happy with these demons nothing but headaches.
but i had bought them back in 2008.
and didn't use them until a few months ago.

it didnt happen over night it just kept getting milkier and milkier
most of it from flooding during tuning stage. (did more last night)
they seem to be working as the car pulls stupidly hard now.
ill replace them with fresh lines and see if they start building up again.
if it does ill simply go smaller diameter and coloured. (canadian u eh?)
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/28/17 01:21 AM

You can get rid of that Y fitting on the passenger side of the carbs and run 1 line to the tee on the other side.The carbs are sucking oil from the intake that may be from the blower front where you need to relieve the pressure or it can push oil.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/28/17 01:24 AM

I don't think you have boost referenced pv carbs like that but I would have to see a vac port diagram.
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/28/17 01:28 AM

Originally Posted By ForcedInductions
no they go into the front of each carb just above the mounting flange
so far im not happy with these demons nothing but headaches.
but i had bought them back in 2008.
and didn't use them until a few months ago.

it didnt happen over night it just kept getting milkier and milkier
most of it from flooding during tuning stage. (did more last night)
they seem to be working as the car pulls stupidly hard now.
ill replace them with fresh lines and see if they start building up again.
if it does ill simply go smaller diameter and coloured. (canadian u eh?)


I can fix the carbs for ya and you can see LOTS of vids and pics on FB under Dominic Thumper and have also done several for peeps on here........... beer
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/28/17 01:31 AM

if that tubing goes to the power valve you should not be able to blow in it freely
Posted By: ForcedInductions

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/28/17 01:38 AM

these are the carbs
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Barry-Grant-Demon-Inline-Twin-Blower-Supercharger-Carbs,5849.html
bought them before barry grant went bankrupt
they are the 725cfm edition blower reference carbs
part number 91012066

there is no T on the other side.


Posted By: Clanton

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/28/17 01:52 AM

ok I see how you have that plumbed but there should not be any fuel or oil coming up the line,imo
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/28/17 02:02 AM

from the q,a on bg link[Open Reply - John
The Barry Grant Demon inline blower carbs number 91012062 for 525cfm, 91012064 for 625cfm, and 91012066 for 725 cfm carburetors are designed strictly for blower or supercharger applications where boost is provided. The power valves and internal components are changed and become load sensitive for smooth operation. The vacuum secondaries are desired for street use and obtain the vacuum at the base of the carburetor. A blown or supercharged engine does not develop vacuum at the intake as a normally aspirated engine and therefore must draw port vacuum at the base of the carburetor.]I think you are just connected to the vac for the sec diaphram[why it sucks fuel,oil]The boos ref pv is at another port or metering plate.
Posted By: ForcedInductions

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/28/17 03:26 AM

there is no other ports that are open aside from these two
the vacuum secondaries get theirs from inside of the carb.
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/28/17 03:29 AM

Please put a second spring on your throttle. For your safety and others.

Good luck with it, looks great!! up
Posted By: ForcedInductions

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/28/17 04:55 AM

the carbs actually fall back to nutreal on their own
the peddle has one as well i like the feel. but sure.
the dash has ign shutoff by switch >.<
its getting there
need dash plate,
tackle oil leaks
dual 3 'exhaust (prob xpipe two glasspacks and my mufflers dumped at axle)
afr sensor
dyno time
jetting
hood work
decals
some interior
shorter rear shocks (theres 1 inch before bottom)
for whatever reason i bought shocks that were stupidly too long
probably for oem mounting locations.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/28/17 06:06 AM

Originally Posted By Challenger 1
Please put a second spring on your throttle. For your safety and others.
iagree You can't be to safe, I put one of my old M.W. street and strip cars through a fence at work when a spark plug wire holder that I had forgot to put back on the carb stud got hung up under the throttle linkage on the front carb. at WOT being a smart azz coming into work to showing off realcrazy Murphy lurks around every hot rodder and racer waiting to pounce on us whistling We can be our own worst enemy work shruggy


Good luck with it, looks great!! up
Posted By: ForcedInductions

Re: Blower Reference lines - 09/29/17 01:57 AM


eye candy is here and here. sadly the memory card lost the engine and transmission buildups.

https://imgur.com/a/Z8ZsQ
https://imgur.com/a/OHeK8
https://imgur.com/a/iZPDI
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