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New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger
Posted By: PlumCrazyCharger
New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/14/17 01:55 PM
Just thought I would share an update on the Avenger. Last weekend at Earlville we were racing at the NHRA Div 5 race. Ran a 6.66@208 with a .974 60'. Air was decent but not stellar. We are running a Sonny 762 Hemi EFI built by Jerry Janato and tuned by Joe at Hyperactive. Everything is falling in place and every race we pick up. Yes I'm running a Chevy.
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Posted By: an8sec70cuda
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/14/17 02:21 PM
That's awesome! That 60' has to feel good!
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/14/17 02:41 PM
Congrats.. you have it running real strong
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I love the aspect that its EFI
Posted By: camastomcat
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/14/17 03:03 PM
It's not really a Chevy, Ford, or Mopar, It's a purpose built race engine, and congrats!
Posted By: Plumb Wired
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/14/17 03:28 PM
Nothing Chevy about it, as mentioned above it's a purpose built race engine. If I was smart I'd go that direction as well.
Posted By: Challenger 1
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/14/17 03:37 PM
Awesome!! even though those are the devil numbers!
Posted By: rickseeman
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/14/17 03:39 PM
Posted By: AndyF
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/14/17 04:51 PM
What EFI system are you using? Just thinking that with those big valve covers you could run coils for each cylinder and get rid of the distributor and the coil that you have mounted up front. With individual coils you can adjust the timing for each cylinder. If you have a Holley EFI system it should be plug and play to switch to 8 coils.
Posted By: PlumCrazyCharger
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/14/17 05:31 PM
Thanks guys. It's a fine line with the Moparts police on what's a mopar and a Chevy engine haha.
Thanks Rick for posting the pictures, for those who don't know Rick Seeman originally built my car and combo.
Im an old school carb guy and decided to go EFI after talking with Joe from Hyperactive. Joe is only 20 minutes from my house and is one of the best in the business. Incredible service at any time of the day. We decided to keep it simple this year. I have a Haltec Elite 2500 with Billet Atomizer injectors, and acufab 8500 throttle bodies. Throttle response is insane, no lag like a carb. Mat the peddle and instantly goes on the brake.
I have a Grid in the car but the Haltec controls everything. Next year we plan on running coils and then can remove the distributor, large coil, and all MSD ignition products. With the Haltec all I have to do is add 8 LS coils and be set. Baby steps for this year.
Should of gone EFI years ago. It's working great and the tuning is so easy. Joe made a few base maps and most of my tuning has been in the hot summer months. So we're still a little lean on this pass but getting close. I also have a spare 822" sonny Hemi that we are going to try the new acufab splits on. It will have 16 injectors (8 in the throttle bodies and 8 in the runners). My 822" makes 1840HP on the current carburetor splits. May loose a little HP with EFI but will probably ET better.
My goal is to be in the 6.50's running NA with the 762. Just about there now just need to work on the fuel map a little. My 822" should run low 6.40's NA.
My Penske 4-way air shocks work wonders for the 60' time. Still more there just need some shock tweaking. In St. Louis we hope to 60' high .960's on a better track. Earlville was never prepped or dragged all weekend. Lot of guys were having problems getting down the track including me on a few passes.
Posted By: AndyF
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/14/17 06:55 PM
I don't know the Haltec system but I do know that the top of the line EFI systems allow you to get rid of all of the MSD stuff as well as the RacePak. The EFI computer will do all of the data acquisition as well as control the ignition, run the two step, control nitrous or boost, etc.
As you say, the tuning is much easier with EFI since you can see everything that the engine is supposed to do right on the screen. Start retard, high speed retard, high speed lean out, etc. Just a matter of typing the numbers into the correct box and pressing enter. Good luck, looks like a fun ride.
Posted By: Dave Hall
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/14/17 07:40 PM
Livin' the dream! Go win some races with that thing!
Posted By: BradH
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/15/17 04:56 PM
It's not really a Chevy, Ford, or Mopar, It's a purpose built race engine, and congrats!
And you can still put on one of those "Yeah, It's Got a HEMI" bumper stickers.
Posted By: PlumCrazyCharger
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/15/17 07:44 PM
With the Haltec you can get rid of everything, but nothing compares to a Racepak. Racepak is the best system out there with the best software. I tried using the Haltec data and it's very basic. Luckily you can interface the Haltec with the racepak so all the logging is automatically uploaded on my racepak graphs.
Originally I was going to use a big stuff 3 system but very glad I went with the Haltec.
Posted By: FastmOp
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/15/17 09:06 PM
That's a fast A$$ MoPar.
Posted By: camastomcat
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/17/17 04:54 PM
Not sure why these posts don't gather more interest? This is a big accomplishment. I wish I could afford one of those powerplants!
Posted By: Dave Hall
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/17/17 05:39 PM
I agree. Good stuff, and Sean is in the fastest div. in the country. T/S and especially T/D really fly there. The ultimate classes as far as I'm concerned. The 762 I was involved with was ultra reliable and ultra consistent. Sonny's parts but Andy Spiegel built. 60K just in parts. It's still running in a TNT car here in div. 7. The other engine I'm impressed with is Joe Roubicek's and it's a Sonny's Big Stuff FI 688. Joe has been pretty much top of the list in div. 7 for the last few years with that combo though there are a couple blown cars that go around him in the order now. It's not even the initial investment with these engines as they only make 40-50 passes before it's 10-20K for freshening. Alguire's car will be all Mopar and I can't wait to see that car go down the track.
Posted By: WO23Coronet
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/18/17 03:12 AM
Is his a 5 or 5.3 bore space? True Hemi or do they have a cant to them?
Posted By: Dave Hall
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/18/17 11:11 AM
I believe that it's 5.0 BS and the heads are slightly canted valves but the intake and exhaust runners are 180 degrees from each other, plug toward the exhaust. You can stick your arm down the runners of these things. The OP can answer this better. If you go to the Sonny's website you can see all the jewelry.
Posted By: JACK1440
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/18/17 05:43 PM
that's rockin.....
Posted By: 70dusterjohn
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/18/17 07:39 PM
That's awesome.. I wish I could do it .. would love to squeeze one in the duster lol
Posted By: DaveKanofsky
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/19/17 07:54 PM
Great job Sean! Keep on the gas and kickin' (butt)!
Thanks for sharing and good luck!
Posted By: Al_Alguire
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/19/17 08:23 PM
Sean Congrats on making that thing get after it for sure. I have been considering the exact same engine combo for the last year. If I could sell the Predator stuff for ever a decent amount of money I would make the jump for sure. Congrats on the new PB as well!!
Posted By: ProSport
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/19/17 09:20 PM
Congrats Sean that is extremely quick
Posted By: dthemi
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/21/17 03:16 PM
Man, that's flying. Love it being NA too, big and nasty
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/21/17 06:03 PM
Your car is flying and I'm not trying to stir the pot or take anything away from your accomplishment because I like it, wouldn't mind owning it myself.
But to all you guys claiming there is nothing Chevy about it...and technically I'm sure there isn't a single GM part in it but...
From Sonny's site:
FOR GM APPLICATIONS FOR PRO MODIFIED, TOP SPORTSMAN, TRUCK PULLING, AND MARINE ENGINES. The Next Generation head was designed to be more efficient than the existing wedge configuration. The intake runner is located 180 degrees from the exhaust runner which provides a better path for incoming and exiting air. The combustion chamber is designed to unshroud both intake and exhaust valves while locating the spark plug in a more ideal position to enhance flame propagation. Rocker arms are positioned to give excellent valve train geometry. The exhaust rocker is over 75% longer than a wedge chambered head enhancing better spring life and smoother acceleration for modern high lift cams. Most hemispherical cylinder heads have ten 1/2 or 9/16 stud fasteners. Sonny's has incorporated twenty-two 1/2" studs necked down to 7/16. This allows better load distribution and more stud stretch for better clamping force. Supercharged applications can use straight half an inch studs. We used four extra studs in the bottom row to eliminate the stud from intersecting exhaust ports. Combustion chambers can have a range from 65 cc's to 95 cc without welding. Intake and exhaust runners are cast ported and have guide spacing to accommodate a range of 2.450 to 2.700 intake valves and 1.900 to 2.040 exhaust valves. With the chambers ported correctly, the intake will flow 615 cfm @ 1.100 lift with a 2.680 valve and exhaust will flow 425 cfm @ 1.100 lift with a 2.040 valve. We have found that this type head will make more horsepower, on a 800 cu. in. Pro Stock engine. This is because of better quality air on the intake side and a more efficient chamber. Sonny's also will offer rocker arms, valve covers, valve cover gaskets, aluminum blocks, crankshaft, 60 MM or 65 MM camshafts and sheetmetal manifold. This head is available to the general public in raw form or machined in different stages.
Posted By: Al_Alguire
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/21/17 06:13 PM
And what exactly written in that descriprion describes ANY production Chevy part that exists?? Could just as easily say Ford or Mopar, as it would have as much in common with those two as anything GM ever produced.
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/21/17 06:21 PM
And what exactly written in that descriprion describes ANY production Chevy part that exists?? Could just as easily say Ford or Mopar, as it would have as much in common with those two as anything GM ever produced.
Did you miss this?
Look, I'm not putting it down in anyway because it's an awesome engine and his car is flying. More power to him but it's based off of GM's architecture just like a TF engine is based off of Chrysler's design. He correctly described it in the title as a Chemi.
Posted By: Dave Hall
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/21/17 06:49 PM
It's an awesome piece regardless. 100% Made in the USA!
Posted By: Al_Alguire
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/21/17 07:17 PM
Having seen many of them assembled and apart I can assure you it is nothing more than a purpose built race engine. Saying for GM applications is as accurate as saying it is for Audi applications, marketing plain ans simple.
Posted By: Dave Hall
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/21/17 07:50 PM
The engine in question is in a Dodge, so I would say this engine is for a MOPAR application!
Posted By: unknown
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/21/17 08:21 PM
And what exactly written in that descriprion describes ANY production Chevy part that exists?? Could just as easily say Ford or Mopar, as it would have as much in common with those two as anything GM ever produced.
Did you miss this?
Look, I'm not putting it down in anyway because it's an awesome engine and his car is flying. More power to him but it's based off of GM's architecture just like a TF engine is based off of Chrysler's design. He correctly described it in the title as a Chemi.
LOL GM architecture?? nothing GM about it at all. At least a Top Fuel hemi crank as a chance of fitting in a OEM block.
Posted By: WO23Coronet
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/21/17 11:13 PM
Yeah, that thing has more in common with a Mopar than a Chevy lol. It's marketing, Mopar guys aren't the only "sensitive types" when it comes to brand loyalty, he throws the "FOR GM APPLICATIONS" line in there to make the Chevy guys feel good. Only thing GM there is the bellhousing bolt pattern, and I'm pretty sure that's an option as well
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/22/17 05:26 PM
The engine in question is in a Dodge, so I would say this engine is for a MOPAR application!
You guys are too much. I love the car, love the package and I can really appreciate the effort. But if we are going to call it a purpose built race engine then the car is a purpose built race car and not a Dodge.
Why can't we just accept it for what it is? A flying fast race car.
PlumCrazyCharger your car is awesome, I absolutely love it. Congrats on making that thing fly and I hope to see you post some 5 second time slips.
Posted By: jim sciortino
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/23/17 04:21 AM
[/quote]More power to him but it's based off of GM's architecture just like a TF engine is based off of Chrysler's design. [/quote]Absolutely incorrect.
Nothing is based off GM architecture in that engine. From bore centers, to it's opposing valve layout, aong with every other aspect of that awesome poweplant.......ZERO GM. Unlike the current Fuel engines which are based on the 426 HEMI architecture.
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/23/17 05:21 PM
[/quote]More power to him but it's based off of GM's architecture just like a TF engine is based off of Chrysler's design.
Absolutely incorrect.
Nothing is based off GM architecture in that engine. From bore centers, to it's opposing valve layout, aong with every other aspect of that awesome poweplant.......ZERO GM. Unlike the current Fuel engines which are based on the 426 HEMI architecture. [/quote]
So just because they poke, stroke and stretch, it no longer is based on a GM design. So you are saying it was a clean sheet design? Funny but when I look on the site every one of those engines has this on the first line.
Sonny's in-house fully CNC ported Pro Stock GM "Next Generation" Hemispherical Cylinder Heads
I don't know why you guys are so butt hurt over this. At least
PlumCrazyCharger knows what he has.
Posted By: jim sciortino
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/24/17 08:58 AM
More power to him but it's based off of GM's architecture just like a TF engine is based off of Chrysler's design.
Absolutely incorrect.
Nothing is based off GM architecture in that engine. From bore centers, to it's opposing valve layout, aong with every other aspect of that awesome poweplant.......ZERO GM. Unlike the current Fuel engines which are based on the 426 HEMI architecture. [/quote]
So just because they poke, stroke and stretch, it no longer is based on a GM design. So you are saying it was a clean sheet design? Funny but when I look on the site every one of those engines has this on the first line.
Sonny's in-house fully CNC ported Pro Stock GM "Next Generation" Hemispherical Cylinder Heads
I don't know why you guys are so butt hurt over this. At least
PlumCrazyCharger knows what he has.
[/quote]Butt hurt??? I just prefer to be accurate.
It is not a GM design, because it is not based on a GM design. It has nothing to do with being poked, stroked, or stretched. There are plenty of current race engines that are based on a GM design.......including from Sonny's that are poked, stroked and stretched. This ain't one of em' and no amount of spin can change that fact. Of course if you choose to believe otherwise, that is entirely your prerogative.
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/24/17 10:56 AM
I take it all back. The 762 doesn't specifically say GM next generation it just says "next generation".
Call it what ever you want but it looks just like the engine in Greg Andersons Camaro.
Posted By: jim sciortino
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/25/17 05:32 AM
Call it what ever you want but it looks just like the engine in Greg Andersons Camaro.
Yeah.......SUUUUURE it does.LOL
Posted By: rickseeman
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/25/17 04:10 PM
Sonny is no dummy. His Hemi Mountain Motors use the same amount of Rambler parts as they do GM parts. How many do you think he would sell if he listed them as a Rambler application? Do you think that would be smart?
And as far as the bellhousing goes I've never seen a mountain motor that doesn't use a Chevy bellhousing.
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/26/17 12:53 AM
Call it what ever you want but it looks just like the engine in Greg Andersons Camaro.
Yeah.......SUUUUURE it does.LOL
I know. The guy that sells them says they are GM next gen pro stock heads. The guy that owns it says it's a Chevy but yet you purport to know better than either of them. OK.
Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy, at least you won't be alone, there are plenty of people here living in a state of denial.
Posted By: unknown
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/26/17 12:59 AM
Call it what ever you want but it looks just like the engine in Greg Andersons Camaro.
Yeah.......SUUUUURE it does.LOL
I know. The guy that sells them says they are GM next gen pro stock heads. The guy that owns it says it's a Chevy but yet you purport to know better than either of them. OK.
Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy, at least you won't be alone, there are plenty of people here living in a state of denial.
LMAO,, My Lord,, who's the one butt hurt............
Posted By: Guitar Jones
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/26/17 12:59 AM
Sonny is no dummy. His Hemi Mountain Motors use the same amount of Rambler parts as they do GM parts. How many do you think he would sell if he listed them as a Rambler application? Do you think that would be smart?
And as far as the bellhousing goes I've never seen a mountain motor that doesn't use a Chevy bellhousing.
Rambler parts? Seriously? Is Rambler even still a thing?
Rick, I understand you built the car and it's a really nice car. Far and above any of my junk and I like it. Nice job to you and Sean but let's stop kidding each other OK? It is what it is, why be ashamed of it? The car flys. Many here, including me would love to own a car like that regardless of what is between the frame rails. It does after all have the plug wires going through the valve covers.
Posted By: jim sciortino
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/26/17 03:13 AM
Call it what ever you want but it looks just like the engine in Greg Andersons Camaro.
Yeah.......SUUUUURE it does.LOL
I know. The guy that sells them says they are GM next gen pro stock heads. The guy that owns it says it's a Chevy but yet you purport to know better than either of them. OK.
Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy, at least you won't be alone, there are plenty of people here living in a state of denial.
It MUST be a chevy, then.LOL
Perhaps you need to take another look at the engine in Greg Anderson's car.........but first a trip to the eye doctor may be in order.
Posted By: Dave Hall
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/26/17 04:40 AM
C'mon MAN! We all know Ken Black doesn't run hemis. As soon as a part is carved or cast from a manufacturer OTHER than the big 3 is it really anyone but the manufacturers part? So I guess those Toyota emblems are on the hats of nitro engine injectors because they are engineered, built and tested by Toyota huh?
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/26/17 04:58 AM
Rambler parts? Seriously? Is Rambler even still a thing?
ya as a matter of fact a friend of mine took 2nd in a 10,000.00 bracket race on Saturday in one and 1st in a 10,000.00 dollar race Sunday in one. AMC but still related to a rambler.
Posted By: Al_Alguire
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/26/17 07:27 PM
Nice to see the dead horse still being beat. A lot of incorrect info posted on here but that seems to be the norm these days. For those who think they know....
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: New Best 6.66 @ 208 with my Chemi Bickel Avenger - 09/27/17 02:54 AM
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