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My new street/strip 74 dart sport

Posted By: mopar65

My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/15/17 04:10 AM

Hi every one. I haven't made a race car post on her in a few years. Had to get out of the game for a few years.but I am back.lol well I am buying a tubed out 1974 dart sport, used to be a old race car. But I am going to be making a street/strip car out of it. But have a few questions. The car has a mustang II front end. I know it's kind of old school, but what do you think about the set up? Is anybody still using it?
I will be installing the engine/trans out of a 2000 dodge Durango with the 5.9. I will also be installing the factory fuel injection.
Second question.
I am going to have to weld in a set of motor mounts or run a motor plate. I would just run a engine plate, sounds like it would be lots easier. But I wanted to run the factory magnum belt set up and it looks like I will loose it if I run the engine plate. Does anybody make a weld on motor mount kit or is it fab time. Here is a pic of the car. Thanks mopar6r

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Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/15/17 05:37 AM

Looks decent.. I have a mustang II front end
on my 38 Ply.. works fine.. mine even has
power steering
wave
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/15/17 07:07 AM

Thanks Mike. If I have any trouble with it can I ask you questions about it? Also I might have some trans questions for ya. Did you ever race your rampage down the 1/4 mile? If so what did it run?
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/15/17 05:11 PM

Welcome back and cool project car.............. beer
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/15/17 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By mopar65
Thanks Mike. If I have any trouble with it can I ask you questions about it? Also I might have some trans questions for ya. Did you ever race your rampage down the 1/4 mile? If so what did it run?


Sure you can.. I havent raced it on the true
1/4 mile.. just on the road in front of my
place(I have a 1/4 mile marked out on the
road)I used my G-force meter to give me a
rough idea
wave
Posted By: ProSport

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/15/17 05:21 PM

Looks good Bobby!
Posted By: cudadoug

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/15/17 05:38 PM

Originally Posted By Thumperdart
Welcome back and cool project car.............. beer


Ditto!
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/15/17 06:00 PM

Looks like fun. Enjoy the road back
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/16/17 04:30 AM

[quote=Thumperdart]Welcome back and cool project car.............. beer [/quote
Thanks Dom. It's great to be back. It going to take me a long time to get my car the way I want it. So for now it's going to be more of a slow street car.lol
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/16/17 04:41 AM

Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
Originally Posted By mopar65
Thanks Mike. If I have any trouble with it can I ask you questions about it? Also I might have some trans questions for ya. Did you ever race your rampage down the 1/4 mile? If so what did it run?


Sure you can.. I havent raced it on the true
1/4 mile.. just on the road in front of my
place(I have a 1/4 mile marked out on the
road)I used my G-force meter to give me a
rough idea
wave


Thanks Mike. I have never messed with the mustang II stuff. So will be looking for advice etc on it. I want to use the 46RE over drive trans with lock up converter. Just haven't found out if you can get one with higher than stock stall yet.
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/16/17 04:42 AM

Originally Posted By ProSport
Looks good Bobby!


Thanks Bob. I think your duster looks amazing and would love to have one just like it. Have you made a pass down the track yet?
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/16/17 04:43 AM

Originally Posted By cudadoug
Originally Posted By Thumperdart
Welcome back and cool project car.............. beer


Ditto!

Thanks you
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/16/17 04:44 AM

Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Looks like fun. Enjoy the road back


Thanks. I think a lot of fun will be getting the engine in etc and getting the car runing.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/16/17 04:57 AM

Originally Posted By mopar65
Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
Originally Posted By mopar65
Thanks Mike. If I have any trouble with it can I ask you questions about it? Also I might have some trans questions for ya. Did you ever race your rampage down the 1/4 mile? If so what did it run?


Sure you can.. I havent raced it on the true
1/4 mile.. just on the road in front of my
place(I have a 1/4 mile marked out on the
road)I used my G-force meter to give me a
rough idea
wave


Thanks Mike. I have never messed with the mustang II stuff. So will be looking for advice etc on it. I want to use the 46RE over drive trans with lock up converter. Just haven't found out if you can get one with higher than stock stall yet.


What I did was change input shaft and pump
assembly so I could put a high stall conc
in.. I'm running a 4.10 gear with with the
OD trans.. I shut the OD off when racing.. that
way I get the max rpm for racing... thats with
a 4800 rpm stall... with the OD on I can cruise
at 2900 rpm at 75 mph
wave
Posted By: sgcuda

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/16/17 05:15 AM

Looks like a cool project. Mustang II front ends are pretty solid pieces. I don't think fabbing up some motor mounts would be that big a deal.
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/16/17 02:10 PM

Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
Originally Posted By mopar65
Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
Originally Posted By mopar65
Thanks Mike. If I have any trouble with it can I ask you questions about it? Also I might have some trans questions for ya. Did you ever race your rampage down the 1/4 mile? If so what did it run?


Sure you can.. I havent raced it on the true
1/4 mile.. just on the road in front of my
place(I have a 1/4 mile marked out on the
road)I used my G-force meter to give me a
rough idea
wave


Thanks Mike. I have never messed with the mustang II stuff. So will be looking for advice etc on it. I want to use the 46RE over drive trans with lock up converter. Just haven't found out if you can get one with higher than stock stall yet.


What I did was change input shaft and pump
assembly so I could put a high stall conc
in.. I'm running a 4.10 gear with with the
OD trans.. I shut the OD off when racing.. that
way I get the max rpm for racing... thats with
a 4800 rpm stall... with the OD on I can cruise
at 2900 rpm at 75 mph
wave


Sounds great Mike. So did you just use a pump and input shaft out of a 727? Also I think I have enough alto red racing clutches left over from my 727 build. Can I use them in the 46RE? I just have to buy the steels.
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/16/17 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By sgcuda
Looks like a cool project. Mustang II front ends are pretty solid pieces. I don't think fabbing up some motor mounts would be that big a deal.

Have any recommendations on mounts ? I have a V8 spool mount k frame I was thinking about cutting the mounts off of. The k frame it self is junk. But the engine mounts are still good.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/16/17 02:27 PM

Yeah... I just changed the input shaft and
the pump to fit a 727 conv.. as to the frictions
and steels.. I cant say for sure.. 727 parts are
a little smaller than the parts in my 518... it
will be easy enough to find out
wave
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/17/17 02:06 AM

Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
Yeah... I just changed the input shaft and
the pump to fit a 727 conv.. as to the frictions
and steels.. I cant say for sure.. 727 parts are
a little smaller than the parts in my 518... it
will be easy enough to find out
wave

Mike is there a certain pump and input shaft I should look for? I think I have a left over pump and input shaft from a 71/74 727 I could use.what did you use for a valve body?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/17/17 02:24 AM

Just a 727 and input shaft
I used the stock 518 valve body
wave
Posted By: CMcAllister

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/17/17 02:32 AM

Nothing wrong with a Mustang II front end. What matters is the quality (or lack of) of the parts used and the skill/ability of the persons who installed it.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/17/17 04:28 AM

The Mustang II unit I have is called(I think)
Fat Man or something like that.. its suppose to
be the best there is
wave
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/17/17 08:17 PM

Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
The Mustang II unit I have is called(I think)
Fat Man or something like that.. its suppose to
be the best there is
wave


Mike I am not sure if mine was a kit or what?
Posted By: tboomer

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/18/17 02:52 AM

Nice to see ya back Bobby! wave
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/19/17 03:08 AM

Originally Posted By tboomer
Nice to see ya back Bobby! wave


Thanks Ted it's great to be back. Sorry to read all about the health problems you have had to deal with. Hope you get better soon and back to racing your 64
Posted By: TonyS451

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/19/17 03:07 PM

Cool ride! I've always liked those Dart Sports. Enjoy!
Posted By: ProSport

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/19/17 05:05 PM

Originally Posted By mopar65
Originally Posted By ProSport
Looks good Bobby!


Thanks Bob. I think your duster looks amazing and would love to have one just like it. Have you made a pass down the track yet?


Not yet, finally doing some upgrades now and hope to make a few passes this year.
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/20/17 06:42 PM

Originally Posted By TonyS451
Cool ride! I've always liked those Dart Sports. Enjoy!


Thanks tony. Are you building anything now?
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/20/17 06:42 PM

Originally Posted By ProSport
Originally Posted By mopar65
Originally Posted By ProSport
Looks good Bobby!


Thanks Bob. I think your duster looks amazing and would love to have one just like it. Have you made a pass down the track yet?


Not yet, finally doing some upgrades now and hope to make a few passes this year.


Well I can't wait to hear how it runs bob. Do you have any pics of your car
Posted By: Kiddart

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/24/17 05:06 PM

I have to say I do love the Dart Sports, Heres Mine.

Welcome to the Club. If I would have known I would have made you a swinging deal on the roller or as turn-key.

Have fun and keep us posted would like to see more on the mustang II front end

Kiddart1
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/24/17 10:45 PM

Originally Posted By Kiddart
I have to say I do love the Dart Sports, Heres Mine.

Welcome to the Club. If I would have known I would have made you a swinging deal on the roller or as turn-key.

Have fun and keep us posted would like to see more on the mustang II front end

Kiddart1


Thanks for the kind words. But you probably will hate me after I tell you it's got a 73 duster frontend on it. Lol what your going to sell your car? It's very nice looking car
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/24/17 11:00 PM

[/quote]

Thanks for the kind words. But you probably will hate me after I tell you it's got a 73 duster frontend on it. Lol what your going to sell your car? It's very nice looking car [/quote]

I didnt get out to the shop today.. I helped a buddy
do a front end alignment on his hot rod.. I will get
the pics tomorrow.. I did get a pile of parts for my
junk today.. thanks to Trendz.. now I have to take the
wife out to dinner
wave
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/25/17 01:25 AM

Here is that pic of the coil set up(still not
bolted together)
wave

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Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/25/17 03:09 AM

Looking good there mike.keep the pics coming.yep got to keep the wife happy. Have a great dinner
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/25/17 04:33 AM

Originally Posted By mopar65
Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
The Mustang II unit I have is called(I think)
Fat Man or something like that.. its suppose to
be the best there is
wave


Mike I am not sure if mine was a kit or what?

Do you have coil overs or just the Mustang springs on the front end? I had the Alston (Mustang copy) on a tube chassis Cuda went 125 mph no problem. Had tubular upper and lower arms with Koni coilovers. It still took awhile to get the bump steer right, even had to shorten the rack down 1-1/2. Very easy to line up. If the whole one piece setup was installed on yours, no problem
Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/25/17 06:11 AM

Originally Posted By cudaman1969
Originally Posted By mopar65
Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
The Mustang II unit I have is called(I think)
Fat Man or something like that.. its suppose to
be the best there is
wave


Mike I am not sure if mine was a kit or what?

Do you have coil overs or just the Mustang springs on the front end? I had the Alston (Mustang copy) on a tube chassis Cuda went 125 mph no problem. Had tubular upper and lower arms with Koni coilovers. It still took awhile to get the bump steer right, even had to shorten the rack down 1-1/2. Very easy to line up. If the whole one piece setup was installed on yours, no problem


Hi mine has adjustable coil overs. Mine has what looks like the stock mustang II upper and lower control arms. I found a set of tubberler arms I am going to get for it
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/25/17 06:30 AM

Mine is on the front end of my 38 Ply.. I'm
gonna pull the 440 out and out in a gen3 to get
the front lighter.. I'm still working on it
but its on the back burner till I get the Rampage
done so I can put the time into it.. I've had the
interior out of it 3 times now.. not happy... I
have a little over $1200 to do in chrome work
to do yet
wave

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Posted By: mopar65

Re: My new street/strip 74 dart sport - 03/25/17 03:30 PM

Cool looking car mike. Here is the best pic I have of the mustang II frontend I have right moe

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