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400 "230"block main ???

Posted By: KOS

400 "230"block main ??? - 12/08/16 11:04 PM

how much would you compromise strenght if your line bored the mains to 440 size?
Posted By: AndyF

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/08/16 11:10 PM

Some for sure. The way I think about it is that steel is a lot stronger than cast iron so keep the thick cast iron and go with the smaller steel shaft. Only problem with using the 383 size mains is that there aren't very many choices for bearings.
Posted By: KOS

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 12:37 AM

Originally Posted By AndyF
Some for sure. The way I think about it is that steel is a lot stronger than cast iron so keep the thick cast iron and go with the smaller steel shaft. Only problem with using the 383 size mains is that there aren't very many choices for bearings.


yes true on the bearings........so ill just turn the crank down if i end up using what i have if not ill buy one with the smaller journal.
Posted By: Sport440

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 12:52 AM

I wouldn't worry about it if its the true 230 block from 4/4/71 to 10/10/71. The webbing thickness is huge compared to any other 440 block with the bigger mains.

Barton does them all this way or at least he did. I myself would only do it , if it were a true 230. Even then though, I might not waste the money.
Posted By: KOS

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 01:19 AM

whats the diff in price?grind crank down or line bore...
Posted By: sasquatch

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 01:27 AM

turn the crank. ON an interesting side note I had a 230 383 block in the shop a few weeks ago. Looked and was marked just like the 400 and had a July casting date. Thought it was cool.
Todd
Posted By: KOS

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 01:40 AM

Originally Posted By sasquatch
turn the crank. ON an interesting side note I had a 230 383 block in the shop a few weeks ago. Looked and was marked just like the 400 and had a July casting date. Thought it was cool.
Todd


that is cool ive heard of the 230 383block but never came across one.i am going to grind the crank just curious of the price diff.....
Posted By: Sport440

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 01:47 AM

Don't know the price diff. But its more then just a line bore. The bearing register divots will need to be machined back in.
Posted By: KOS

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 02:00 AM

Originally Posted By Sport440
Don't know the price diff. But its more then just a line bore. The bearing register divots will need to be machined back in.


ya never thought of that ...
Posted By: DrCharles

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 02:02 AM

Originally Posted By sasquatch
turn the crank. ON an interesting side note I had a 230 383 block in the shop a few weeks ago. Looked and was marked just like the 400 and had a July casting date. Thought it was cool.
Todd


Did it have super-thick cylinder walls (so it could be bored to 400 size)? work
Posted By: sasquatch

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 02:08 AM

Did not have chance to sonic test but I would bet money it did.
Todd
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 07:29 AM

IMO buy a better block smile
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 08:45 AM

I've had two early(06-71 to 10-71) 230 blocks, one had the large casting numbers on the block and the other one didn't confused
Neither one of them had really thick cylinder walls when sonic tested shruggy
Posted By: KOS

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 12:53 PM

[quote=Al_Alguire]IMO buy a better block smile

i would never build a stock block again i have a indy maxx low deck waiting for a set of Mike Duke oval port MCs wink.....its for my son just a mild (600hp max) build for his 67 R/T.
Posted By: KOS

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 12:58 PM

Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
I've had two early(06-71 to 10-71) 230 blocks, one had the large casting numbers on the block and the other one didn't confused
Neither one of them had really thick cylinder walls when sonic tested shruggy


ya Cab where gonna have it sonic checked too...........
Posted By: fbs63

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 02:52 PM

I personally think line bore to 440 main with aluminum caps. The larger main diameter will flex less. Plus lot better bearing choices.
Posted By: moparx

Re: 400 "230"block main ??? - 12/09/16 04:13 PM

Originally Posted By Sport440
The bearing register divots will need to be machined back in.

as i understand it, those are only used as assembly and location aids, while the crush prevents the bearing shells from spinning. would, or could it be possible, to meticulously position the bearing shell in the block after removing the locating tang on the upper shell ?
beer
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