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Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels

Posted By: topside

Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/13/09 03:54 AM

Anyone here ever painted or powdercoated their (real) magnesium wheels? Any problems? How did you clean & prep them?
Haven't decided which way to go but have a couple that are stained and I want to return them to their goldish color (they were pickled & oiled - looks something like Dow7 but lighter).
Posted By: moparpollack

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/13/09 04:22 AM

Is there a chance that heating magnesium up might cause the wheels to start on fire? Magnesium will burn but I don't know the degree of tempature?
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/13/09 04:46 AM

powdered magnesium will burn bright and hot, real hard to put out, I'm not sure about cast magnesium Maybe someone more knowledgable will kick in on that. As far as powder coating magnesium I probally wouldn't due to a bad expereince with powder coating aluminum parts
Posted By: topside

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/13/09 04:53 AM

400 degrees (bake temp for powdercoating) is not a problem. If you do catch magnesium on fire, nothing will put it out, but it won't ignite at 400.
My concern is prep method & adhesion. Soda blasting is supposedly out, plastic media might work, scuffing with red Scotchbrite pads may be best. If there are any problems with blushing, paint is less of a problem to remove than powdercoating.
There are some stains in the wheels that are below or through the P&O, and haven't polished out. I can reproduce the color, and protect the magnesium, by either painting or coating.
From what I've heard, water & unprotected mag don't mix, which complicates prepping the wheels.
Posted By: dthemi

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/13/09 04:54 AM

I wouldn't worry about the fire, it's the contaminates in an old wheel, and mag is very porous and will off gas a bunch and displace the coating. If your coater will do it have them run them through the oven a few times first to get all the stuff out of them before coating.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/13/09 04:54 AM

Quote:

powdered magnesium will burn bright and hot, real hard to put out, I'm not sure about cast magnesium Maybe someone more knowledgable will kick in on that. As far as powder coating magnesium I probally wouldn't due to a bad expereince with powder coating aluminum parts




Aluminum can show worming when powder coated, looks like pock marks & usually it shows up on parts that had minor visable problems before coating but looks alot worse after the coating process...

Magnesium probably would do the same thing being a non-ferous metal..
Posted By: topside

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/13/09 05:36 AM

Thanks for the replies; I'm leaning towards painting just in case there's a problem, and leaning that way further now.
Good idea about heating them to gas off impurities; I doubt the powder coater will do that so I can take the wheels away and paint them, but I could probably do that in my oven (or maybe not). From what I've read on mag, annealing it and letting it cool is required after machining or cutting to avoid stress risers, but nothing I've read on the topic so far talks about impurities, or whether mag continues to out-gas or blemish if painted. I know of a set of Halibrands that showed some blushing after being powdercoated clear, and the clear actually yellowed; maybe that was the mag continuing to degrade or affect the clear?
They'll need to be color-coated I think because of the stains, and I'm thinking a flat or satin clear over that for protection.
I'm going to refinish the aluminum rear wheels the same color, but I'm not expecting problems there.
Posted By: Jimi_Vignogna

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/13/09 11:34 AM

hi i do powdercoating, everything i coat, will go in the oven before i coat it, on cast aluminum (wich is close to magnesium)to prep it for coating, i only blast it with aluminum oxide, then cook it,blast it again,clean and prep it for coating, reheat it to make sure it has out gassed,bring it to 300degrees and shoot it hot.

i find the biggest problem is water,oils or solvents can be removed with just about any thing and remnants can be burned off, just like when welding aluminum or mag the part needs to be preheated to remove water.
Posted By: RodStRace

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/13/09 03:43 PM

Jimi, are you able to come close or match the old DOW 7 look?

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235753
Posted By: topside

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/13/09 05:02 PM

So, Jimi -
If I understand you & the article Hemifred posted correctly, a good cleaning with wax & grease remover, scuffing the old coating off with red Scotchbrite pads, a decent baking to be sure there's no water, and I can paint the wheels?
I'm really reluctant to have the mag blasted with anything for fear of pitting. Likewise I won't let water get anywhere near them in their bare state.
Seems I should use an etch primer; whaddya think?
Posted By: Jimi_Vignogna

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/14/09 02:21 AM

if you use aluminum oxide shot it will not disturb the finish of the wheel,years ago when we painted the modified mag crossrams for the s/s hemi cars we would coat them with a zinc primer, the zinc primers were supposed to be for steel but there was a reason it was used and i cant remeber why.
Posted By: Jimi_Vignogna

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/14/09 02:25 AM

Quote:

Jimi, are you able to come close or match the old DOW 7 look?

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235753




i have not tried that yet but i will go through my color charts and come up with something to match it. i have a few customers with halibrand or original americans that have the dow color on them, i do know that honda sells engine paint for there motorcycle engines that looks just like dow 7
Posted By: topside

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/14/09 03:22 AM

Jimi, thanks for the reply. One problem where I'm at is I don't have access to a blast cabinet anymore, and the local blaster guys are (a) reluctant to use anything but soda, plastic or really aggressive stuff, and (b) so far the workmanship is not good enough to trust $800 worth of damn-near irreplaceable wheels too. Can I just scuff through the oiling (wheels were pickled & oiled decades ago, boxed up since) and then etch-prime them for painting?
Posted By: TrWaters

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/14/09 03:01 PM

"Find it, and they will come." This may be a foolish question, but has anyone tried the actual Dow 7 on aluminum?
Posted By: mloboda

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/14/09 03:32 PM

Steve,
If you don't mind a little work, I spray my magnesium Motorwheel Flys with GIBBS penetrant after I polish them with scotchbrite pads. It works better than WD40 as it does not attract dirt and does prevent oxidation for several months.
Posted By: topside

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/14/09 05:35 PM

Mike -
Thanks, I've heard about the Gibbs stuff. The fronts I ended up with used to be on the Gapp&Roush Taxi, but they were pickled & oiled, and subsequently stained with something, so I need to paint them. I'll paint all 4 wheels the same color.
Posted By: topside

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/15/09 12:57 AM

El Bumpo
Posted By: topside

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/15/09 08:21 PM

And another, still curious as to best method to remove the surface coating my wheels have. I have a 2nd set that were painted, and I'm thinking I'll just soak them in lacquer thinner, or maybe try aircraft paint stripper, to get rid of the paint.
Posted By: moparpollack

Re: Painting/powdercoating magnesium wheels - 02/15/09 08:22 PM

brake fluid works also
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