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MOVING AXLE BACK

Posted By: deaks

MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 01:01 AM

I'm just fitting a Dana in my Dart and just wondered if i should move it back a little to gain a touch more clearance on the front of the wheel arch. I've got to have a new propshaft made and will have to make and fit new front spring hangers. I'm thinking around 1/2" so's not to push the angle of the shackles back to far.
Is this plausible and who has done it.
Mike
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 01:03 AM

mine is back 1" (but I have ladder bars now)
You can leave the springs where they are and redrill the spring perch to move it back your desired amount.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 01:07 AM

Put a spacer in front of the spring hanger, 1/2" alum.
I hope your drive shaft was a touch long
Posted By: deaks

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 01:09 AM

The car sits a little high at the back, at present, there's around 1" clearance from the front of the tyre to the wheel arch, as it is, i'm thinking if i lower it down it might rub unless i push it back a touch, what's the most i could realistically get away with. The springs are already moved into the rails.
Mr P, I'm having a new driveshaft made.
Posted By: Phil Saran

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 01:47 AM

Would it be a bit easier to just trim the
leading edge of the rear wheel well openings?
Posted By: justinp61

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 01:49 AM

I moved the rear end back 1/2" on my 69 Dart, also lowered it 3/4".
Posted By: rowin4

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 01:52 AM

That dana sticks out a little more out back, do you have room to clear the fuel tank?

Posted By: dartman366

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 02:15 AM

I set mine back 1.5 inches to gain tire clearance in the front of the wheel arch,also give yourself enought to compensate for tire growth at higher speed's.
Posted By: topside

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 02:43 AM

Me, I want as much rear overhang (weight bias) as possible.
I'd cut the front wheel lip.
It'll also give the car better visual proportions, if aesthetics matter.
The front yoke of the driveshaft should have as much support (spline engagement) without bottoming out as you can give it.
That said, I moved the rearend back 1/2" on my Duster street car to fit big tires; made some spacers that I slid between the ft hangers and their chassis brackets.
Posted By: Scamp408

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 01:00 PM

I move mine back 1in no diff in et but thats me.
Posted By: deaks

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 01:21 PM

I dont want to cut the lip because i've not long had a nice paint job, also everything is out at the moment anyway, ready for the new axle, the front hangers were not made by me, and only have a single hole, so i might make new hangers, move the hole back and raise it up a little, also add another hole at the same time. My main worry is the angle of the rear shackles, with the old axle the bottoms point slightly to the rear, obviously, if the axle is pushed back then the shackles will move back more.
Can it be done by redrilling the perches?.
Rowin
The car has a fuel cell, so no problems with clearance.
Posted By: 3ddart

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 03:59 PM

not to highjack the post, but what about moving the pearch forward, shorting the front spring segment,has anyone ever done that? i'm running ss springs in an a body and i got carried away when i opened up my wheel wells and would like to close the gap a little at the front of the tire. my concern is if this would affect the spring rate etc adversely with a shorter front segment. any opinions? dave
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 04:32 PM

Quote:


Can it be done by redrilling the perches?.
Rowin
The car has a fuel cell, so no problems with clearance.




Quote:

mine is back 1" (but I have ladder bars now)
You can leave the springs where they are and redrill the spring perch to move it back your desired amount.


Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 04:50 PM

Quote:

not to highjack the post, but what about moving the pearch forward, shorting the front spring segment,has anyone ever done that? i'm running ss springs in an a body and i got carried away when i opened up my wheel wells and would like to close the gap a little at the front of the tire. my concern is if this would affect the spring rate etc adversely with a shorter front segment. any opinions? dave




The front segment ISNT the spring, the rear is, so
if you move the axle on the spring(forward) you will
change the height of the car(slightly) because of the
leverage on it. If you just move the axle and spring
forward you arent changing anything except putting
more weight on the tail of the spring so again you
might see it drop slightly.
The rear shackle angle should be 30* from verticle
(bottom to the rear)
Posted By: dizuster

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 04:59 PM

Quote:

Would it be a bit easier to just trim the
leading edge of the rear wheel well openings?




No, moving the axle back a little is way easier then cutting the wheel opening...well depending how nice you want it...

Mine is moved back 1" for tire clearance, if anything on a duster it asthetically looks better if you ask me. It looks more centered in the wheel well opening now...

Front

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Posted By: dizuster

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 04:59 PM

rear...

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Posted By: dizuster

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 05:00 PM

side 1 (sorry no true side shots)

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Posted By: dizuster

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 05:01 PM

side 2

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Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 05:14 PM

I moved mine forward one inch to center the wheels and tires in the center of the wheelwells and make the appearancs more appealing That was after movig the the front lip forward three inches and the rears back two inches, get out your stretching machines and go for it

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Posted By: rt66jim

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 05:20 PM

Cab, very nice looking Duster. Jim
Posted By: mike67net

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 05:26 PM

Quote:

Put a spacer in front of the spring hanger, 1/2" alum.
I hope your drive shaft was a touch long





That's how I moved mine back, it's easy.

Mike
Posted By: BBLM23

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 05:36 PM




Posted By: deaks

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 10:50 PM

I think i would rather do the alteration than alter the bodywork.
BBM
What size tyres are they.
Mike
Posted By: BBLM23

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 10:55 PM

The tires above are 28x13.5.
Moving the tires back didn't make sense to me.

These are 30x13.5:
Posted By: deaks

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 11:04 PM

What is the full width of your tyres and what rims are they on.
Posted By: BBLM23

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 11:07 PM

MT ET Streets 30x13.5x15 on a 10 inch rim. My Dart is mini-tubbed. Leaf springs moved into frame rail.
Posted By: deaks

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 11:18 PM

Is that the width including the tyre bulge on the rim, my 10.5 MT's measure just over 13" at their widest point.
Posted By: BBLM23

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/08/09 11:25 PM

13.5 at the bulge...
Posted By: 3ddart

Re: MOVING AXLE BACK - 02/09/09 05:44 PM

thanks for the answer mike! now, i will be lenghtening the rear segment is that going to cause problem in you opinion? soften the spring rate? since it's for cosmetics basiclly, i don't want to create problems! thanks again, dave
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