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Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go?
Posted By: Anonymous
Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/08/09 12:28 AM
Hello, recently I put my dakota back to stock. Now I have all these parta (stall converter, ported edelbrock heads, crane valve train, etc.) just laying around. Well, a friend of mine has a 410 or 416 stroker in his dakota and just turned over 10.80s in the quarter with his, so I would like to do a stroker project. I was loking at the 426 small block stroker kit for the Magnum block but I wanted to see if that's really the best way to go about it. All my stuff is Magnum whereas his stuff is LA. I would prefer to stay Magnum as I'm already half way there. So what's the word on the 426 kit?
Posted By: dezduster
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/08/09 07:20 AM
BUMP
Posted By: Otherlane
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/08/09 01:06 PM
A guy that i know has a 87 dakota mag motor that was running 11.10s with a eddy head 360.He had said all he did to the engine was put in one of hughes stroker 426 kits and went 10.40s.I believe he might have changed camshaft also.
Posted By: 69Cuda340S
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/09/09 12:53 AM
I think it would be simpler to do a 4" stroke engine. More cubic inches need more head and even with the heads you have a 4" stroke engine will easily max those heads out.
Posted By: Adobedude
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/09/09 02:17 AM
Just don't plan to spray it...
Posted By: Otherlane
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/09/09 10:46 AM
Why not spray it?
Posted By: emarine01
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/09/09 02:11 PM
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I think it would be simpler to do a 4" stroke engine. More cubic inches need more head and even with the heads you have a 4" stroke engine will easily max those heads out.
You need to look at piston speed & rod ratio too , We have run 3.79 & 4" cranks in our W5 LA rig , I think the 3.79 over all is the better stroke , But we like to turn it up a bit to make power 
Posted By: a408swinger
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all - 02/09/09 02:33 PM
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Hello, recently I put my dakota back to stock. Now I have all these parta (stall converter, ported edelbrock heads, crane valve train, etc.) just laying around. Well, a friend of mine has a 410 or 416 stroker in his dakota and just turned over 10.80s in the quarter with his, so I would like to do a stroker project. I was loking at the 426 small block stroker kit for the Magnum block but I wanted to see if that's really the best way to go about it. All my stuff is Magnum whereas his stuff is LA. I would prefer to stay Magnum as I'm already half way there. So what's the word on the 426 kit?
His truck wouldn't happen to be red would it? About a 95 model? Goes by Copperdodge? lol. I was glad to see him bust off some 10 sec passes. I had been telling him he was only some cal-tracs and a set of slicks away. His first pass was a 10.9x @ 122 mph and he was grinning from ear to ear.A few passes later went a 10.88. Not too bad for driving it there, swapping tires, and then driving it back home again. He's driven it to tracks that were 3 hours away each way. Thats been a good motor for both of us.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all - 02/09/09 03:22 PM
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Hello, recently I put my dakota back to stock. Now I have all these parta (stall converter, ported edelbrock heads, crane valve train, etc.) just laying around. Well, a friend of mine has a 410 or 416 stroker in his dakota and just turned over 10.80s in the quarter with his, so I would like to do a stroker project. I was loking at the 426 small block stroker kit for the Magnum block but I wanted to see if that's really the best way to go about it. All my stuff is Magnum whereas his stuff is LA. I would prefer to stay Magnum as I'm already half way there. So what's the word on the 426 kit?
His truck wouldn't happen to be red would it? About a 95 model? Goes by Copperdodge? lol. I was glad to see him bust off some 10 sec passes. I had been telling him he was only some cal-tracs and a set of slicks away. His first pass was a 10.9x @ 122 mph and he was grinning from ear to ear.A few passes later went a 10.88. Not too bad for driving it there, swapping tires, and then driving it back home again. He's driven it to tracks that were 3 hours away each way. Thats been a good motor for both of us.
Yessir, that would be the one. I would say it's an inspirational one for me. I was looking at 87-95 dakotas this past weekend and found a '88 V8 RC up by Bristol, TN. Just wish I had the $1,000 on hand to get it. 
Posted By: Adobedude
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/09/09 05:15 PM
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Why not spray it?
According to Dave Hughes, it was designed to be run NA, The problem with the kit is the pistons. The 4.180" stroke doesn't leave you much room for the ring pack. They are in there pretty tight and the ring lands are pretty thin. Add increased chamber pressures from n2o and or boost and you'll snap em off.
I was looking into the kit when it first came out as werea lot guys on the Dakota R/T forums, but the inability to safely spray the thing turned a lot of us off.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/09/09 05:24 PM
If I'm clicking off 10 second passes N/A, nitrous is unnecessary. 10 second passes beats out all but 3-4 R/T guys, all of which are running some sort of power adder. But when this motor gets done, it's going into a gen I or II. Weight advantage and 5 lug hubs FTW!
Posted By: Adobedude
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/09/09 05:57 PM
I'm at 7000' + DA, I'll need to spray to even see 11's....LOL
But a 426 in a little Gen I or II RC?
SWEET!
Posted By: Otherlane
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/09/09 09:21 PM
Ok learned something new.thanks for the info
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/10/09 05:28 PM
I was just thinking, (I would like to get a few more opinions as well) although I don't really have any need or desire to use nitrous/boost, what about using a shorter rod to give more room for the ring pack? Even with the larger stroke in the 426 kit, the rod ratio isn't that bad compaired to many Ford and Chevy SB strokers.
Posted By: quick77rt
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/10/09 07:00 PM
Im really surprised your looking here, when I was looking into the 426 kit, most info came from the dak crowd.
The hughes 426 kit was one of the best machined out of the box kits ive ever gotten A+.
Now im on a 440 small block stroker and that should be a bit mo-better if the heads are right.
From my research and I cant say ive driven one yet, but many say going over the 4 inch mark is like driving a whole different beast as far as strokers go, most this is from the dakota guys as well.
But as far as the hughes kit fitment...it was right on.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/11/09 01:33 AM
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Im really surprised your looking here, when I was looking into the 426 kit, most info came from the dak crowd.
The hughes 426 kit was one of the best machined out of the box kits ive ever gotten A+.
Now im on a 440 small block stroker and that should be a bit mo-better if the heads are right.
From my research and I cant say ive driven one yet, but many say going over the 4 inch mark is like driving a whole different beast as far as strokers go, most this is from the dakota guys as well.
But as far as the hughes kit fitment...it was right on.
just a side note to this. those kits contain K-1 Crankshaft and Rods. yet another testimonial on how good their stuff is for the money. we're glad to be a warehouse distributor for companies like that.
Posted By: gch
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/11/09 02:18 AM
I am surprised Kevin @ Hughes has'nt chimed in.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/11/09 03:12 PM
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Im really surprised your looking here, when I was looking into the 426 kit, most info came from the dak crowd.
The hughes 426 kit was one of the best machined out of the box kits ive ever gotten A+.
Now im on a 440 small block stroker and that should be a bit mo-better if the heads are right.
From my research and I cant say ive driven one yet, but many say going over the 4 inch mark is like driving a whole different beast as far as strokers go, most this is from the dakota guys as well.
But as far as the hughes kit fitment...it was right on.
You have to deal with a plethora of stupid before you can get any good off Dakota forums. This forum is great for information on this subject (engine building/strokers/generally going really fast). Plus, members here are going faster and going faster for longer then most Dakota guys are right now.
I'm not completely set on a 426 stroker either. I would like to see other options too.
Posted By: Moparnut426
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/11/09 03:22 PM
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Im really surprised your looking here, when I was looking into the 426 kit, most info came from the dak crowd.
The hughes 426 kit was one of the best machined out of the box kits ive ever gotten A+.
Now im on a 440 small block stroker and that should be a bit mo-better if the heads are right.
From my research and I cant say ive driven one yet, but many say going over the 4 inch mark is like driving a whole different beast as far as strokers go, most this is from the dakota guys as well.
But as far as the hughes kit fitment...it was right on.
You have to deal with a plethora of stupid before you can get any good off Dakota forums. This forum is great for information on this subject (engine building/strokers/generally going really fast). Plus, members here are going faster and going faster for longer then most Dakota guys are right now.
I'm not completely set on a 426 stroker either. I would like to see other options too.
Are you restricted to using the magnum block, if not, use an r3 block, and build a 440, or use the r3 block build a 440, and use magnum R/T aluminum heads and go that rout.
Posted By: Jeepmon
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all - 02/11/09 05:40 PM
Last year at MATs, I red lighted in the 2nd round against a 426 stroked convertible Cuda.. His dial-in was mid 10's..
Posted By: Hughes
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/11/09 08:00 PM
Sorry I didn't "chime in" on this one. It seemed like the guys who have them were giving pretty good advice and testimonials. I agreee on the No (or very little NOS). Some guys have asked about a blower. It would be okay except we cannot get any lower compression because of the ring package.
The kit itself is all top quality premium parts. We have had zero failures or problems with it. When matched with the right cam and heads they are torque monsters. A lot of fun on the street.
I haven't been on here much becasue we are getting ready to tgo to the Race & Performance Expo in St. Charles, Il this weekend and , thankfully, the phones are still real busy.
Kevin @ Hughes
Posted By: wkroncke17
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/11/09 08:39 PM
I've been following this post, and hope Im not hi-jacking it, Id just like to know if used on the street, what kind of heads/cam combo would work well, and make this a real fun torque monster on the street??
Thanks!
Wally.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/11/09 09:42 PM
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Im really surprised your looking here, when I was looking into the 426 kit, most info came from the dak crowd.
The hughes 426 kit was one of the best machined out of the box kits ive ever gotten A+.
Now im on a 440 small block stroker and that should be a bit mo-better if the heads are right.
From my research and I cant say ive driven one yet, but many say going over the 4 inch mark is like driving a whole different beast as far as strokers go, most this is from the dakota guys as well.
But as far as the hughes kit fitment...it was right on.
You have to deal with a plethora of stupid before you can get any good off Dakota forums. This forum is great for information on this subject (engine building/strokers/generally going really fast). Plus, members here are going faster and going faster for longer then most Dakota guys are right now.
I'm not completely set on a 426 stroker either. I would like to see other options too.
Are you restricted to using the magnum block, if not, use an r3 block, and build a 440, or use the r3 block build a 440, and use magnum R/T aluminum heads and go that rout.
I'm restricted in the sense that I already have many of the mangum style parts. I would like to go R3/XR1 block, but that's going to blow out any semblence of a budget, especially considering it sounds like my ported eddies wouldn't keep up.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/11/09 09:46 PM
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Sorry I didn't "chime in" on this one. It seemed like the guys who have them were giving pretty good advice and testimonials. I agreee on the No (or very little NOS). Some guys have asked about a blower. It would be okay except we cannot get any lower compression because of the ring package.
The kit itself is all top quality premium parts. We have had zero failures or problems with it. When matched with the right cam and heads they are torque monsters. A lot of fun on the street.
I haven't been on here much becasue we are getting ready to tgo to the Race & Performance Expo in St. Charles, Il this weekend and , thankfully, the phones are still real busy.
Kevin @ Hughes
Have you guys tried a shorter rod to allow for a longer piston/bigger ring pack? I know that the rod ratio would get a bit crazy, but chevy and ford SB strokers have been known to run similar or smaller rod ratios.
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 02/11/09 09:54 PM
One similar option I've been thinking about is 4" stroke,
4 and 1/8" bore for 427CI in one of the newer siamese Mopar blocks (now that availability is good on the blocks). It gives up some CI but with all the extra wall thickness, 4 bolt mains etc, I'd think it should be able to take a beating.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 10/08/09 12:22 PM
I was seriously considering the HUGHES 426 crank/rod combo with custom slugs in a R3 block (around 4.185 bore), super commando aluminum heads, and a barely noticeable HUGHES cam for a quiet sleeper for my '65 D100. that should put me somewhere around 460 cubic inches. A sizable chunk of change, but it's not like I can take it with me......
Posted By: quick77rt
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 10/08/09 02:21 PM
It is a good kit, since alot are going bigger and bigger inch wise, its clear to me from first had exp, that after 410 inches or so its time to look into some serious head flow. I have found that the eddy and indybrocks seem maxed out about there.
My 410 eddie head motor I feel is not that far off from my 452 with indybrock heads, ive not run the hughes 426 motor yet except for on the stand. So maybe W2/5 or 360-1s is the answer to really get the power over 400 plus inches. But thats obvious.
Im set to have the 426 on the pump next week prior to the sale of it...it will be interseting to see the tq numbers, it has the sms. beck style lifters on a cam hughes speced for the motor. Wed of next week I should have the dyno sheet.
The kit is of great quality, I do not understand the piston choice though, a good K1 crank, rods, but I think maybe one step better piston might be of some help.
Ive never asked, but why no spray on these kits....its the pistons, right?
But I will say this, for the money and ease the 426 kit is a good way to get big inches without imo going to the next level where the parts are 3x higher.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 10/09/09 09:03 PM
Well, the Super Commando 440 SB crate motor from Ma Mopar comes with "AS CAST" un-ported Super Commando aluminum heads for what-around 525-535 HP. They should be capable of quite a bit more with some massaging.
Posted By: SG duster
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 10/09/09 09:19 PM
we have a racer here in south east Queensland that has a hughes 426 in an A body hardtop coupe, it seems to get quicker every time he puts it on the track, last I saw it in the mid 10s, its consistent & reliable, its raised my eyebrows many times, Iv been a big block guy for decades & its got me thinkin I tell ya
Posted By: Bakaruda432
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 10/09/09 10:53 PM
I would imagine this Hughes 426 CID with Indy W2 heads,850 E-85 carb, single plane intake with 12.5:1 CR, a good Solid Roller cam would absolutely scream.
I bet 600+ N/A Hp would be really easy.
Posted By: D-50
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 10/12/09 10:20 PM
Kevin said very little NOS,how much is considerd very little. I was wondering because I am interested in that stroker kit also.
Posted By: Bakaruda432
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all go? - 10/20/09 01:23 PM
It would be interesting to see if "A Little" NOS is less or greater than original displacement * .3.
One version of the 426 Hughes small block has a 9.74:1 CR would be interesting to see if that would be good for a Pro-Charged combo.
Posted By: Axiom
Re: Hughes 426 small block stroker kit, all show or all - 12/25/09 07:28 PM
Did anyone ever answer the question as to whether a shorter rod could increase the piston size?