Good day for (street) car at the track! *New best today*

We only got 3 passes at test and tune. Light mist kept holding things up.

Keep in mind this is a street car with full interior, 5/16 fuel line and pump gas. I ran it the way I drove it to the track. Didn't change air pressure or anything!

Combo:
'63 Dodge 330 Sedan
505" 440 block with 4.25 stroke and 7.1" Molnar rods and crank.
10.5 CR
Modern Cylinder Head ported Stealth heads
Howards hydraulic roller .545 lift and 235/241 @ .050 duration installed straight up with 1.5 Crane rockers.
Holley Street Dominator intake with 1/2" spacer
Demon 850 double pumper
2800 stall converter
3.55 gears
3" full exhaust with Dynomax Ultra Flows
275/60/15 MT Pro's
6 cylinder bars and SS springs. Monroe street shocks.

Could only hook off idle. That was the best pass after touching the Rev limiter in 1st and 2nd (6k rpm)

60 ft. 1.73
330 4.91
1/8th 7.54
1/8th mph 92.9
1000ft. 9.82
1000mph 106
1/4 mile 11.75
1/4 mile 117.16 mph

Feedback?

I plan on dropping the rear pressure to 14 psi next time and leaving with a little more rpm. 60ft. wasn't what I had hoped..

Not bad but I would definitely up the fuel line w/that many cubes............

We'll get him straitened out. CTB

Probably wouldn't hurt to go 3/8" line.

I plan on lowering the tire pressure, clamping the front segment of the springs a little more and taking the clamps off the rear. That way I can (hopefully) raise the launch rpm some.

It may get some 90/10 shocks up front to help, too!

Yep, gonna lean on the Godfather for some info...SOS!

You might want to try some adjustable shocks with the SS springs.
I run 16psi in my 275 ET Streets on a 8" wide wheel, SS Springs & CE 3 way shocks. 1.60 - 1.62 60'

Nice!
What was the converter flashing to? Might have been hard to tell if there was tire spin.

Similar to my combo aside from the heads/cam:
493, ported -516 heads
530 lift solid FT, 260/266 @ 0.050, M1, 950 HP
full 3" exhaust
9.5" dynamic, 3.55's
325/50 Drag radial, Rancho single adjustable shocks
/6 bars 90-10's up front

Shift at 5500rpm

Last pass was:
60 ft. 1.601
330 4.669
1/8th 7.28
1/8th mph 93.57
1000ft. 9.570
1000mph NA
1/4 mile 11.519
1/4 mile 115.39 mph

Made a big difference going from non adjustable shocks to Rancho (Calvert) 9 ways. Couldn't justify DA shocks for a 11 second car... Went from burning the tires at anything above a high idle, to being able to leave at 3k foot braking.

You have a few tenths on the table if you can get it to launch.

No idea on the convertor flash. I don't even have a tach in the car!

I can...........and what`s CTB?

Our local car club that we started...

Gotcha............

Thats very good numbers for a first outing. Congrats on doing good and getting out. That 117 mph is enough for solid 11.30's with good hook. Nice going. Ron

Sounds like a fun day at the track!

Thanks, Ron!

I think I can whittle it down a little.

I aspire to run hard and drive it everywhere like you do!

Pics of LaFawnduh:

Not bad at least your getting out

Everyone's cars run so good here I was a little hesitant to post.

I think it's a good start, though...

Going to Indy swap meet and posts like this are what make me go work on my car to get it going. 470" stroker with mch done up stealth heads should be a bit quicker than my old ~8.8:1 383 I had in it that ran 14.5's.
So thanks for posting! Now off to set the motor in. Then gotta switch the 8 3/4 to the strange 60 and get a driveshaft made. Pretty excited!

Haha, I have a Dana 60 waiting in the wings. May wait until Fall to see if I need to mini tub the car for traction.

I'll be at Mo-Kan April 9th for the Mopar event and then again for the HAMB drags. Come by and say Hi.

Thanks for the kind words. I was going to say that I run 3/8 fuel line and it seems to be more then enough for my combo with just an 850 DP. My son still has the 5/16 line on his Dart and it has run 11.40's @ 117 with the 5/16 line. Glad to see that cool 63 running good. Ron

Going faster is an inner evil.You sur know about those!!LMOL

Bracket racing isn't about speed,,,it about R/T"s and consistency.

Now if your an ET chaser/ tuna like me,your in deep poooooooop

Just looking to refine and maximize what I have. Not changing parts to chase e.t. I built what I want and it is a street car first and foremost!

Any muscle car that will be driven at WOT more than once needs to have way more fuel volume, supply, than it needs to insure a long life without detonation. A 5/16 pickup and gas line is probally marginal at best, 3/8 on both will be way better I put 1/2 lines and 1/2 pickupds or two 3/8 and 5/16 mixed to gether on all of my cars that I build for motors with more than 500 HP on pump gas

I'd say that certainly acceptable for the first time out.

No roll bar, so I don't know how much quicker you can go before they start telling you to slow it down.

As someone who ran well into the 10's with the OE 5/16" line and a mechanical pump, my advice is.... Put a bigger line on it.
With the 383 in my car, I went from the OE 5/16" line/mechanical pump to a cell with a Mallory 140 pump and 1/2" line..... Added a fresh air hood(not sealed to the carb), and took out 100lbs........ And went from 119mph to 123mph.
All I could think of was, "I wish I had done it when I had the 448 in the car".

that's not terrible. And you have room to grow. I wouldn't go down on the Pro's (you are talking about the radials right?) When you go WOT at idle it's like dropping the clutch at 3+K. You might sing less if you load up the converter some. I always like to come off just above idle (1200 or so) I tried everything to get my old 70 to hook, new slicks, new shocks (front and rear) and nothing seemed to work, the "butt end" lifted to much, I went with Cal-Tracks, never got to the track with them, but they seemed to work well on the street.

Love that car! Husband's Challenger runs 11.7's @ 113, with 1.61 sixty foot on M/T ET street drag radials. What tires do you have? Better hook will definitely get that ET down.

M/T ET Street Pro's in 275/60/15

Play with that tire pressure, our Challenger actually hooks best at 18-19 PSI.

I was at 21 psi.

The car left straight and true save for the time I spun hard off the line. Very happy with that aspect..

You can fit a 10 x 29 I bet, should be plenty

after looking at the car you need to get the butt end down. You should also make sure you have enough front end travel. The tire size is not the problem, guys run 9's on 275 drag radials. The era of "big tire" cars is over. I'm guessing with that mph you should be in the 1.50ish 60 foot range. That's what I was shooting for.

That's exactly where I want to be with 60 ft.

I've flipped the front spring hangers before to lower it and may try that, but I'll have to check pinion angle.

When I put SS springs on my Demon it was jacked up in the back, It looked like crap. I put 2 in. lowering blocks under it.

With my old 440 and a best et of 11.49 @ 116 it had a best 60 ft of 1.57 but would average around a 1.60 and sometimes hitting high 1.50's on good tracks. That was on just SS springs. I agree that when you get the hook working good you should be running 11.30's to 11.40's with the 117 mph and 60 ft's in the low 1.60's to high 1.50's. If you go to Cal Tracs and really hook it may even 60 ft better. But thats if you get real serious about going after that 60 ft. My car now 60's in the low 1.50's with a 1.50 best 60 and its just average for a 10.70 car on SS springs. Good luck with your car. Ron


PS: D-50 thats a very nice Demon.

Minor changes, dropped air pressure to 18 psi, 90/10 shocks.

It did a 11.30 @ 119 mph!

I was more than thrilled!

1.60 60 ft.
7.18 1/8
95.6 mph 1/8

Get that short 6o' down to the 50's and that pup will be bottom 11's.

This was leaving off idle. I tried bringing it up on the converter and it spun pretty hard.

A track like Tulsa will probably hook even better and get me in the .20's.

I didn't touch the motor all day!

Try just a pound or two less on the tires and get yourself a set Calvert 90/10s up front.

Will do!

I was eyeing the Calverts but got a smokin' deal on these CE 3 ways.

Congrats as thats very nice ! And you picked up some MPH. Ron

I did do a quick swap to the Moroso underdrive crank pulley and re-lashed the valves last week.

i agree and like D-50 said lowering blocks will work.....front tires also look tiny see if you can fit a 28"tall skinny on er.

I would be happy with how she's running. That's fast for a mild combo in a street car. Sounds like to put together a great combination. Are you running slicks or
Drag radials?

What he said

Which track? WIR? Looks like yesterday Tulsa as -300 DA at noon. You'd be be on the cusp of 10s if you were there instead.

Mo-Kan in Asbury, Missouri.

The tires are M/T ET Street Pro's

Glad you made it to the 'Kan yesterday. Sorry we weren't able to visit more. As others have stated you have a nice looking and running car. Jim

Good job and keep at it cos 119 mph is closing in on the 10`s............

I haven't even started to tune the engine. The timing is still @ 34° total where I set it initially. 91 pump gas from QT through the mufflers.

That's awesome!! Congrats, and I see 10's in your future.

(p.s...hopefully your new helmet arrived, heh heh)

Yes it did! I wore it all weekend too!

....well, I did take it off when I went to bed Friday night.

New best mph but 60 ft. was horrible.

11.38 @ 121.29mph (up from the 119 mph)

1.74 60 ft.

The only changes made were bumping the timing to 36° and installing a 1" phenolic spacer in place of the .5" one.

Really happy with it as I drove it 90 miles last night to a cruise in a neighboring town and then drove it to the track and back tonight! (Probably 40 miles).

That's a sweet car!!!! What RPM's are you at going 60MPH??

No idea. I don't even have a tach in the car. LOL!

You will get into the 10's
Being able to get in the and cruze on pump gas is the best!!!

On my old 1963 Belevedere 415 HP M.W. stocker it would sixty foot the same leaving at a idle or at max foot stall RPM on bias ply nine inch slicks Don't be afraid to test Knowledge is power
Have you look at different squirters sizes yet? If not test, test, and test some more Lots of room for gains

I've only been to the track three times and the most experimentation has been with tire pressure. It seems to like 18 psi.

I did add 2° of timing and a 1" phenolic carb spacer since the last track day.

All I know is it runs like it has fuel injection. It starts instantly, doesn't bog and never loads up on the street. I fully planned on FiTech fuel injection after getting it together but the is no reason!

Try enrichening all four jets one size to see if it will pickup or slow down the MPH in the 1/4 mile, if it won't slow down or pickup you may need more fuel volume If it picks up try another size bigger one size at a time util it does slow down the MPH in the 1/4 mile

Will do!

So you thinkin' the 5/16 fuel line isn't adequate?!

Yea 121 mph is enough for 11.0's with decent hook. When I was jetting my car and was still lean it ran 11.02 @ 121 with a 1.52 sixty. You just get that hook working decent and you will get them 10's. Nice going. Ron

It was grudge midnight drags at KID so there were a lot of hard, street tired cars running. Because of this they weren't prepping the track like they normally would IMO.

,HELLO,MY NAME IS AJ. Be carefull,thats EXACTLY how i started out.years later im runnin in the 8,s and that aint fast enough.luckily common sense and my wallet got together and held a intervention.im OK now and back to a street,strip car.

I agree. He's fighting the problem I had. 60 ft. I added a cal-trac mono-leaf system. I should call the guy that bought the car and see if it helped.

That's awesome Buddy!!

Step up the jets, 2 sizes at a time....until it slows down.

Any mods to the Street Dominator? I might still have the ported SD manifold from my 508 you can try out

Is it an RB?!

I emailed Modern about having mine ported but it would be awesome to try one out first!

Mine has zero mods.

You should be able to get that suspension dailed in also. You can see that this setup is all I run which is the 3400 lb SS springs and a set of used longer MP shocks that the late great Randy had given me. Thats all I use in the back and up front the suspension is all stock other then the Comp Engineering 90/10 shocks. One thing I found very important for me is to make sure I line up in the grove when I stage. Course thats where everyone has been launching at as you can always see it real easy at our tracks. It makes a big difference if I dont line up in the grove but as long as I do it hooks very good for what it is. I mean it ran the same 10.76 et three passes in a row one day and I dont even use the tach when shifting as I shift by the feel of how the eng is pulling. But honestly my suspension is so stock and simple and yet it hooks good on 9" radial slicks. Ron

I dont mean this trying to be smart but I know how easy it is to not pay attention to staging the car in the grove. I know I get worked up once the burnout to heat the tires gets going and I have caught myself just rolling up and staging and not paying attention to be staging in the grove. It seems I hook great as long as I stage in the grove where all the other cars are launching. I know you will have that bad boy in the 10's soon as you cant hold that Mopar power back for long. Ron

Very good advice, Ron.

I'm looking forward to a well prepped track next weekend as almost everyone I talked to said the track went away as the night went on.

Daytime bracket racing on the 14th!

I wish you the best of luck. I feel like we almost have sister cars as you with the 63 Dodge street car and me with the 63 Plymouth street car. I dont even own a car trailer and I bet you dont either ?? I wish we lived closer and could cruise together with our cars. Ron

I do not own a trailer currently. I had a nice 18' dovetail and sold it a few years ago as other people were using it more than me. I also moved into a neighborhood where I couldn't have one sitting out.

I do have friends that loan me trailers for trips over 50 miles. That's about as far as I want to drive it at this point. It's more than capable of going further but tracks like Tulsa, Heartland Park, Mo-Kan and Great Bend are more than 2+ hours away and my '09 Cummins is much more comfortable. LOL!

Cool Car!

Check your front end travel it should have about 5.5". If you need to gain some travel trim the upper control arm bump stops. You don't have a sway bar do you? If you do disconnect it because it will limit travel. For the rear of the car start by flipping the front hanger to get the back of the car lower or get a set of adjustable front hangers from AR Engineering. Don't forget to correct pinion angle. You also want to be sure that your not topping out the rear shock before the suspension travel is done. If the budget allows adjustable shocks are the way to go. Your definitely heading in the right direction. 11.00's-10.90's are in your future.

I did remove the upper control arm bump stops to get more travel. That and the 90/10 shocks helped significantly! Right after those changes is where I got the 1.60 60 ft. on a well prepped track. No sway bar and 6 cylinder torsion bars. I considered flipping the front spring hangers as I did file out the holes to do that in the past and played with ride height before latest motor went in.

Adjustable shocks for the rear are on the radar.

I just flipped the front spring hangers. I also took the time to lube up the bolts and springs so they work easily.

I agree about going to tracks that are over an hr away. I love driving my car to the track as its always fun to just pump a little air back in my rear tires and then just drive home when all the other guys are crawling under their trailers tieing their cars down. But like you when I went to a race that was two hrs drive I was afraid to race that far from home and worry that if I broke I had no way home. The closer tracks I could get my brother to come tow me home or to his house if I broke but when I went to MIR thats about two hrs away I got a good friend from the "Forbbodiesonly" site to tow me. He offered to tow me and then would not take any gas money from me. What a nice guy he is as thats so cool that he is another Mopar guy in the hobby that is so nice and a first class act. But he towed me to MIR in 2014 which was the last time I have been to the track. I hope to go to Cecil on June the 11th this year which is close to my brothers house so I will drive the 45 miles to that track. And I also agree a Cummins truck with AC is much nicer to ride in when its very hot out. So I definetly dont blame you for getting a tow to the track when its a little on the far side. Ron

I'll box up my Old Street Dominator I whittled on about 10+ yrs ago and ship it your way, sent you a PM on the port sizes They're approx. 2.375" x 1.375".

Thanks!

I look forward to trying it out!

I guess I'll be the wet blanket here.....
While I agree the car is running great for the combo, I feel that if it really has a converter that only flashes to 2800, coupled with the 3.55 gears, I think getting to 60' time low enough to dip into the tens might be a chore.
If the car isn't "dead hooking" now, then there is obviously more left in it, but once you get it to dead hook, the 60' is what it is....... If that's not near the bottom of the 1.50's, 10's might remain out of reach, until you can get the car to "overachieve" in the mph dept.

None of this is meant to take away from how the car is running now, I'm just pointing out that 10's mph doesn't always mean you'll run 10's.

It keeps improving and I have yet to tune on the engine at all! I totally get what you are saying but I have a lot of tweaking to do.

I will play with it this summer and have a higher stall converter to throw in it this Fall when we go to Tulsa if I haven't reached my goal.

I've dead hooked once and that was a 1.60 60 ft. and the 11.30 e.t. It's picked up some mph since then.

My old stocker in 1988 would sixty foot in the 1.50 to 1.47 range on a good nataional event track. The same cars today are sixty footing in the high 1.20 You should be able to run 1.50 sixty foots also Not easily or cheaply though

I understand Dwayne's point which is right. With a 2800 converter and 3.55's it will only 60 so good wihout more converter or gear. Its easy to get caught up in chasing more mph and 60 ft time for sure but it will get to a point when thats it with that converter and gear. And I agree your combo is running great right now for what it is. Ron

I get where you're coming from.
The other side of that coin is...... The tune up you have in it right now might actually be close to optimum.
That will prove out as changes are made and evaluated.

I hope you are able to dip into the tens without making any changes to the basic configurarion(stall, gear, etc).
It would be nice to see something that mild get there.

Mark,

I just sent that old SD your way, give it a shot, what the Hey!

Let me know when you get it.

Funny thing about strokers and converters, if it'll dead hook at 2800 and not bog at all (going straight to WOT) it PROBABLY means you have nearly as much (let's just say close enough) torque at 2800 as you do at a more "acceptable for drag racing" 3200-3800 rpm, with your cam that may not be too much of a stretch to say, and the fact you are pulling 120+ trap speeds with a tight converter and 3.55's means you must have pretty much 'wall to wall' torque, very similar to my old 508 which didn't care much what gear you had it in.

That motor loved this old SD, 90% of the work was to the plenum and mainly to enlarge the smallish plenum as well as to address the #1 and #7 which can tend to go a bit leaner on the SD in OOTB form. you're mileage, (MPH) may vary but it worked absolutely great on my last couple 500" RB's. Old Moparts member Harpo (remember him) did the same mods to his and his 66 coronet picked up/Dropped (IIRC....it's been about 10 years now) just over a tenth and gained 1+ mph with no other changes...doesn't hurt to try as easy as a Rb swap is.

Wize

Awesome!

Thanks for the opportunity to try it out!

That was what the converter was rated at (2800) but I'm sure with more torque the stall could be higher.

I plan on clamping the front segments of the SS springs since it has really only dead hooked once so far. I want it more consistent. I have found the tires really liked the 18 psi at the strip. We'll see in two weeks what it will do as this weekend is the NHRA event at Heartland Park.

It is an absolute ball to drive this thing around town.

Did a touch better tonight at the KID Grudge Races. I have not had a chance to swap intakes to the ported one Streetwize sent me.

11.28 e.t. and 120 mph.

Last round I came up against a Procharged newer 'vette.

I ran the 11.28 to his 11.63. He was sleeping at the tree and had a poor reaction time.

Drove it there and drove it home.

Nice going. Congrats. Ron

Good job............

I agree new best is always great

Good scootin' Congrats and a notch for the early B's

Nice job!

I used to always drive to the track and home. Now I love my enclosed trailer. ha...

I love driving to the track. With my knee and back problems I cant crawl under trailers like I used to and hook the car down anyway. So its nice that when I am done racing that all I do is put some air back in my tires and drive home while everyone else is hooking their cars down on or in trailers. Course it stinks if something breaks. Ron

I didn't really care who lined up next to me as I was there to experiment with timing and tire pressures. Apparently a little black S-10 with a stroker 383, aftermarket aluminum heads, E-85 running slicks with a cage was next to me. I did notice him checking out my car and saw he had N/T for no time on the window.

We staged and I left him like he was sitting still. (11.30 pass for me, said later he ran 11.87) After the pass I pulled back into the staging lanes and before I could get out he was at my window. He said "WTH do you have in that thing?!" I told him it was a 318 Poly to rub salt into the wound. He thought for a moment and I guess I let a grin slip because he said "Awww B.S.!"

I told him it was a 440 block and I run a 5/16 fuel line with no electric pump. He still looked perplexed. He finally justified his loss by saying, "Well, that's a lot bigger motor than mine!"

I probably had 8 people ask "What is that thing?!" that night. One older guy knew EXACTLY what it was and used to run '63 Plymouths. He had a gleam in his eye and I thought he was gonna cry there for a minute.

Overall a very fun night!

You're really flying with that thing!

I ran it at the HAMB Drags at Mo-Kan this weekend. '65 and earlier cars only. After a mad thrash to swap the rear for a Dana 60 with 3.54 gears and rebuild/check the transmission, it ran IDENTICAL to what it ran about 3 weeks ago at KID with the 8 3/4. It ran an 11.42 @ 118mph off the trailer and three consecutive 11.41's. Very consistent! High humidity, a headwind, pulled timing and crappy low octane gas kept me from doing any better. I did, however, run best 60 ft. ever of 1.59!

Oh yeah, I did try removing the K&N air filter for one pass and ran an identical 11.41. Must not be a restriction there...

I see from your current picture the rear end looks noticeably lower that it did before, looks good and should really help the weight transfer.

I would try raising the nose about a inch or two or just enough so the fender lip is almost even with the front tire levelling it out a smidge. That should help you with more weight transfer, giving you some more added stick in the 60ft....

It would only cost you some time and effort, you can't beat free.. My .02

Very cool car mate, I love it, no need to explain why. All the best to you.

Thanks! I get a little too caught up in making sure it's running at its best. It certainly surprised people this weekend and had a crowd around it in the pits all day!

Next step is putting on the ported SD intake this upcoming weekend and doing back to back runs.

You got out and had fun as thats what its all about. I forgot what intake you have on it now ? Ron

Holley Street Dominator

Streetwize sent me a ported Holley Street Dominator and I just now got it on. Last week the car picked up a tenth and 1mph with it in the crappy heat but tonight...tonight in good air..it ran an

11.19 @ 121mph!!

I'm very happy with that timeslip!

Sweet!

Nice! Are you keeping track of the atmospheric conditions each time and standardizing the results so you discern between improvements due to weather verses changes you make?

Yes!

DA was 1000' better than a week ago. 3500 last week vs. 2500 last night. Temp was at least 10° cooler, too.

That's about a .10 of your pickup unless it put you on the lean side which I dought because your mph picked up

Yes, I'm looking forward to running it at Tulsa Raceway Park later this year. Cool temps, a lower altitude and, hopefully, a 10.99!

That is really awesome, Mark!!

I've always loved those Street Dominator Manifolds and they really come around nicely when you port them like we talked anout. Real happy for you, Buddy!

Thought it might do the trick for ya, I think you got even more gains yet to come!!

Woot! Nice job.

I really like them because all painted up they look subtle compared to high rise single planes. Pretty sure it will fit under the stock, flat hood I have waiting in the wings even with a phenolic spacer!

Half the fun of this car is driving it everywhere and enjoying it. Dirt cheap to race too with the 91 octane no ethanol in tank!

Any underhood pics? very impressive for a mild combo

Before recent intake swap..

Here is the entire build thread on the car:

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/428197/7/my-63-dodge-330-project.html

That Manifold the way its ported might want a little more jet....maybe try 2-3 sizes larger and I bet your high gear charge picks up another MPH or more.

That was going to be the next experiment.

I haven't even cracked open this Demon yet.

Fortunately, a friend and neighbor just purchased a jet kit...

FYI, bumped timing to 38° and it didn't like it. 36° is where it works best.

Tire pressure seems to work best at 16.5psi.

Sounds like good progress to me.
Jetting could possibly put you in the 10.90's.