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R5/P7 P5 nascar engines

Posted By: FIREGUY12

R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/01/09 08:12 PM

Who actucally has run a R5/P7 P5 nascar engine in a drag appplication. looking for actual E.T results and combos as far as weight, tranny, gear ratios.
Posted By: FIREGUY12

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/01/09 10:13 PM

No one ???????????????????? come on moparts????
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/01/09 10:50 PM

Not sure anyone has as of yet..Although I think there are a couple of guys working on them.
Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/01/09 11:23 PM

There is an aluminum block available that will allow up to 430+ ci. The main problem with the R5P7 seems to be lack of torque for drag racing..the added cubes/stroke would be the fix. I think thats why alot of guys end up selling their R5P7 projects after a while.
Posted By: blowndart

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/01/09 11:31 PM

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The main problem with the R5P7 seems to be lack of torque for drag racing..the added cubes/stroke would be the fix.



A turbo or two would add some torque.
Posted By: FIREGUY12

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/02/09 12:13 AM

according to the engines Ive seen for sale 550ft. lbs of torque and 830 h.p. That's pretty good for 358 ci. That plenty of torque to get you moving.

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Posted By: 40ford

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/02/09 12:19 AM

We don't have any experience with a P7 in drag racing----yet. We are building a nostalgia FED with a 358" P7 for this year. But, this engine is going in a 1300 lb. car.

We have run the P7 on oval track(dirt) since 2006, we like it on dirt in limited torque applications. The 358" P7 does seem to have more torque than a comparable W8 headed 358" but not a great deal more.

The problem is the R5/P7 engine was designed and built around a 2.25" main journal---and enlarging the main journal may be difficult. So, longer stroke cranks may not solve the torque problem reliably.

Enter the Ernie Elliot aluminum block. He wanted a taller deck block that would accept longer strokes reliably---this was needed on the dirt tracks---so he financed the building of them. They are beautiful pieces! And three years of racing have not yielded any major problems. All it takes to get one is a call to EEI in Dawsonville, GA---I am sure they take plastic! I understand he has about 30 aluminum engines out in rotation.
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/02/09 04:19 AM

Didn't some of the NASCAR guys take there cars to a drag strip and they ran real close to what they should have based on HP and weight?

In a dedicated drag car set up for there power band they would be fine, and a cheap way to get 900hp
Posted By: nss guy

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/02/09 04:24 AM

have a friend that runs ss/am with a chevy sb2, it made 900+ on the dyno, 8.80's at 151 in a 68 camaro
Posted By: quick77rt

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/02/09 06:02 AM

Im really surprised more are not trying them, they seem easy to understand and the parts are cheap for what they are, on top of the big flow heads ive a set of unported heads...and wonder if one could get one to live a bit with a plated car????

I dont think my liberty box will like this motor but time will tell.

All I need to find is a machine shop to do the block work and im good.

These are some heavy heavy blocks... this was mocked up to move...Ive 95 percent of the parts needed, so far so good.....and I hope comp can work over one of the cams ive got for my needs.

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Posted By: LA360

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/02/09 09:53 AM

I think there is also a fear of the unknown with these things too. I was guilty of it myself, but dealing with guys (Rick Liuzzo) who have experience with them certainly helps.
I am looking forward to getting my deal finished, I just have to work out what I am going to put it into

AL....
Posted By: JC Childress

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/02/09 01:58 PM

We make the adapters to use different automatic transmissions with these engines and electric water pumps as well. Give us a call at (434) 821-6107.
Posted By: scottb

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/02/09 03:35 PM

Working on putting one in a drag car also the trans plate is done now working on front sub frame and header build will be out late spring
Posted By: 40ford

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/02/09 09:22 PM

Isn't Ellijay just "down the road" from Dawsonville?
Posted By: quick77rt

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/02/09 09:49 PM

30 minutes from either place we have in the south...alot of good nascar people around....would dyno motors for me on weekends while the big dogs were away for food and beer.
Posted By: FIREGUY12

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/02/09 10:34 PM

So who would be a good source tjo buy an engine from.
Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/09 06:08 AM

Quote:

So who would be a good source tjo buy an engine from.




If you cant find one on this site, Arrington may be a good choice.

www.shophemi.com
Posted By: Georg

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/09 10:28 AM

Sorry for OT question, but is here someone who allready got XR-2/P7 motor running?
Iam just curious cause going to make deal with Rick about XR-2/P7 soon. Maybe some combo ideas, thoughts etc.

Thanks
Posted By: JC Childress

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/09 01:49 PM

Give me a call if youre looking for an engine Fireguy. My number is (434) 665-9541.

Thanks,
J.C.
Posted By: quick77rt

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/09 01:53 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NASCAR-DO...58418QQtcZphoto

complete ready to go off the dyno, 825 hp.....13k obo

Good guy to buy parts from also.....
Posted By: scottb

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/09 04:52 PM

I will smoke that price on a complete motor for sure
Posted By: JC Childress

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/09 08:20 PM

me too..............
Posted By: LA360

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/04/09 03:32 AM

Call Rick Liuzzo on (570) 561 1746, he'll be able to help you out with something. He has a few in stock already I believe


AL...
Posted By: 39 Plymouth

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 01:22 AM

Break Thru Performance in Conroe TX are all Mopar with their own Chassis and Engine and head facility and are building up one to replace their BB motor in their Cuda S/G, they build Top Sportsman B1's and also my 706 Pro Mod B1T/S motor
936-539-6004
Posted By: B1KILLER

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 01:55 AM

I suck with names, their is a guy on here that has
gone 9.40's in a Duster. I bought 1, 18 months ago
and I'm about to put it in my Valiant
Had to get a bell housing for my glide to go sm blk,
had an adapter to bolt motor to trans, since the bolt
pattern is unique to Nascar, had to get a flywheel,
had a spacer and adapter made for fly wheel
I'm looking to be nda 8's with 2 small stages
I think it would have been easier to stay stick,
but you need a good trans

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Posted By: B1KILLER

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 01:56 AM

2

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Posted By: B1KILLER

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 01:57 AM

3

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Posted By: B1KILLER

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 01:58 AM

last

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Posted By: cheapstreetdustr

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 03:42 AM

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Isn't Ellijay just "down the road" from Dawsonville?




i am 45min from them..
if anyone needs EEI it wouldnt be hard for me to make a trip.
cheapst.

seems like a good enough excuse for a visit..
Posted By: tubtar

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 11:19 AM

Quote:

Call Rick Liuzzo on (570) 561 1746, he'll be able to help you out with something. He has a few in stock already I believe


AL...





Or don't.
Find someone who doesn't feel the need to lie to you to get your money.
Was I the random case ?
A quick check of his ebay feedback tells me otherwise.
Posted By: HEMIDARTS

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 11:46 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Call Rick Liuzzo on (570) 561 1746, he'll be able to help you out with something. He has a few in stock already I believe


AL...





Or don't.
Find someone who doesn't feel the need to lie to you to get your money.
Was I the random case ?
A quick check of his ebay feedback tells me otherwise.



I have never dealt with Rick, but i think i would stay away from him.
For whatever reason, he has other prioritys in his life.
I dont know nor do i care to know what they are,
but alot of people have had bad experiences with him.
There are enough other people out there who want to help,
check them out first.
Atleast 3 guys have said they can help you out, i would try them.
Posted By: DemonDust

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 01:21 PM

Quote:

Call Rick Liuzzo on (570) 561 1746, he'll be able to help you out with something. He has a few in stock already I believe


AL...







Don't buy anything from this guy. His products are junk and well that is if you ever see the part you paid for. The machining on the adapter plate is horrible. Looks like a a 10 year old kid did it with a hand drill and tapped the holes the same way. Also he will make you think the plate is all you need. Once you get it you have a buy a very expensive starter, very expensive billet flexplate and other misc things. I've been told in the end you can end up with over 2k in the plate and still cant bolt up a trans successfully.

I've had many people contact me about him and not one person had anything good to say.

Just another Kelly Hammack if you ask me.....
Posted By: 70dusterjohn

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 01:28 PM

I thought there was a guy up at Norwalk wiht one in a 68 Dart running 9.40ish... Don't know his name or if his a member here.. It sounded good.. I was moving away from the car when it was on the line... I'd swear that he was 10,000 rpm plus..
Posted By: DemonDust

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 01:30 PM

Yeah thats ScottB. He's a member here. I believe he is from MI though.
Posted By: 70dusterjohn

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 01:33 PM

He was from Mich. from what I remember. I talked to him for a few, but he was busy working on the car..
Posted By: moparacer

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 02:41 PM

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These are some heavy heavy blocks...




I went to Kent Ritter's a few years back and looked at them. This was before anyone had really started making adapters and running them in anything. I tried my best to convince myself I wanted one but between the added block weight and all the adapting I just couldn't justify it.

You see a lot of SB2 Chevy engines out there for what they are they don't really impress either.

I think with the new block and bigger CID capability there might be some potential.
Posted By: mike s

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 04:07 PM

I think this car is running one.I don't have the contact info but maybe another member will recognize the car.

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Posted By: 23T Hemmee

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 04:57 PM

I thought 40 Ford was being modest by not mentioning their times when they got the FED out at the end of last season, then I realized his post was Feb. 1 of '09, not two days ago. Jeff got his license passes in at Huntsville, AL in late Sept. best was a 4.90+, don't remember the speed, then at Bowling Green at the GoodGuys in Oct, went 7.69 @ 182, still got a lot left in the tuneup, but since he's running 7.50 index just sneaking up on it. Determined it was way undercammed,think they are going to dyno sometime this or next month with a new one. Not sure who they got their adapter from but they used my old glide with the Hemi bell, the bigblock pattern is completely outside of the p/7 bellhousing pattern so there are no overlapping studs, worked out really well. BTW the little motor really screams, got an awful lot of attention both times out.

Here's a link, hope it works:

http://www.trupiano-images.com/Cars/SAT-...468_pcg7b/Large
Posted By: scottb

Re: R5/P7 P5 nascar engines - 02/03/10 05:58 PM

The motor in my car is a restictor plate motor the cam is 248 258 very small its has gone 9.42 @143 in sept at norwalk the weather was bad the rest of sept and oct so i never got to play with it after norwalk would like to try a domn. carb i have a 950 hp on it know .The car has gone 1.29 60 ft so those who say they make no bottom end wake up .I would not even think about build any thing but a P7 motor the parts are out there and cheap get the trans plate from BondoBob and you will ready to go
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