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diesel mileage on tow vehicles

Posted By: fowl play

diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 03:00 AM

thinking of getting another truckto tow the racecar with. good deals are out there on new, but can save a lot on good used ones. let me know about mileage on the 6.7 cummins verses the 5.9. i am wanting to replace my 95 3500 cummins . also other good or bad points of each . 07 or 08 with 6.7 or 05 or06 with 5.9 thanks
Posted By: bigdad

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 03:06 AM

Drunk on Diesel..

towing 75-80 on the freeway, loaded 11-12 but, nothing passes me



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Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 04:34 AM

My stock 2006 5.9 CTD 3500 4WD single wheel automatic gets 12 to 14 MPG at 65 to 75 MPH on the flats towing my 24 ft. Pace enclosed car trailer that weighs 8600 lbs with the car, the truck gets 10.5 to 12 MPG at 65 to 70 MPH with the cruise on in the mountains here in Oregon and northern CA and Nevada with the same trailer and load It pulls the same trailer way better than my 1998 1/2 24 valve CTD 2WD 2500 truck did
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 04:47 AM

Our 5.9 gets 14+ and pulls the 24' enclosed with a B body NSS car right down the pike...It does have a Edge performance chip that made a big difference..

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Posted By: KillerBee

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 04:48 AM

My truck is a stock 2004 Ram 2500 4x4 quadcab shortbed with HO diesel.
3.73 gears with 35" 315/70-17 tires.
Trailer is a heavy built 22' with 5000lb. axles.

Towing on fairly flat highway at 60-65mph with my Challenger inside the trailer my overhead MPG computer normally reads between 16-17 and has been as high as 18-19.
Higher speeds of 70 and over seem to drop the MPG quickly.
I bought the trailer last summer and have towed it only a few times but my truck tows it with ease.

Posted By: 408strokerdart

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 05:29 AM

'06 Ram Dually Diesel pulling 40' gooseneck with living quarters getting 14mpg stock and 17mpg with a super chip. Best mileage I have ever gotten with a truck. Gets 25-26 unloaded and the superchip was worth every bit of 4 mpg.
Posted By: sc4579

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 01:01 PM

My 2007 dually with 6.7 Cummins and six speed automatic gets about 12-13 mpg pulling my 28 foot enclosed trailer loaded with my Dart Sport. If I get over 70 mph then the mpg drops to around 10-11 mph, but it never knows that the trailer is back there,
Posted By: Hurst390

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 01:53 PM

my 93 5.9 gets as good as 18 pulling and open trailer...15-16 pulling an enclosed...the worst I ever got with it was 13-14 in the mountains....22 not pulling..
Posted By: RonP

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 02:27 PM

My 2004 with 4.10 gears, 48re auto gets 11-13 pulling my loaded 28ft enclosed trailer and car going 70ish. if I turn the programmer down some I have gotten closer to 14 at the same speeds on some trip.

I have gotten as much as 16 towing the same car on an open trailer at those speeds.

As far as what is better you need to spend some time on the truck boards. it is kind of like the 8 3/4 vs dana or small block vs BB threads. Everybody has opinions and just like with most things in life, what "you" have is the best option in your opinion. Me personally, I am keeping this early 04 305 555 5.9 as long as I can.

good luck
Posted By: Irun5snd8th

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 03:37 PM

WOW! My 07 6.7 4wd is terrible! I get 11.5 at 65Mph pulling my 28 footer. I have gotten almost 12 one time. If I go up to 75 its goes down to 10.
Do the chips really help fuel mileage on the Dodges? I put Edge on my 04 Powerstroke and I could have towed a train but it didn't help the mileage at all.
Posted By: 506RR

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 04:04 PM

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As far as what is better you need to spend some time on the truck boards. it is kind of like the 8 3/4 vs dana or small block vs BB threads. Everybody has opinions and just like with most things in life, what "you" have is the best option in your opinion. Me personally, I am keeping this early 04 305 555 5.9 as long as I can.





I have an early 04 as well, and am very happy with it! I get about 18 mpg with normal everyday driving. If I am running empty I can get 19-20 mpg on the interstate running 70-75. Pulling my 38' enclosed I get around 11-13 mpg fully loaded. Although one time into a head wind I only got about 8.5 mpg running about 75 mph. I intend to keep this truck until the wheels fall off if I can! This is all hand calculated fuel mileage, as my trip computer seems to be about 3 mpg on the high side everytime I check it.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 05:00 PM

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This is all hand calculated fuel mileage, as my trip computer seems to be about 3 mpg on the high side everytime I check it.


Caution to all of those beleiving the overhead fuel mileage marketing device, they lie Mine says a lot higher than the actual fuel that goes into the tank and the math for the mileage between fill ups
Posted By: RonP

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 05:04 PM

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This is all hand calculated fuel mileage, as my trip computer seems to be about 3 mpg on the high side everytime I check it.


Caution to all of those beleiving the overhead fuel mileage marketing device, they lie Mine says a lot higher than the actual fuel that goes into the tank and the math for the mileage between fill ups




very true and in my opinion (unless you spend many many many minutes) to get an accurate hand calculated reading is install the famous vent kit. When I fill up (when I want to track mileage) I fill it until there is clear fuel (not foam) clear to the top of the filler neck. That way I know my numbers are fairly accurate.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 05:14 PM

2 major things affect your mileage once your on the xway....
the big wall your pulling and the RPM you are turning....
HP takes fuel. I run a old 95 TCD with 2wd dually,
haul a 43' enclosed and get 18 MPG, but I dont have
the power you guys with the 6.7. Most of my hauling
is some what level, no big hills around here
Posted By: 408strokerdart

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 05:21 PM

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This is all hand calculated fuel mileage, as my trip computer seems to be about 3 mpg on the high side everytime I check it.


Caution to all of those beleiving the overhead fuel mileage marketing device, they lie Mine says a lot higher than the actual fuel that goes into the tank and the math for the mileage between fill ups




very true and in my opinion (unless you spend many many many minutes) to get an accurate hand calculated reading is install the famous vent kit. When I fill up (when I want to track mileage) I fill it until there is clear fuel (not foam) clear to the top of the filler neck. That way I know my numbers are fairly accurate.




I agree with this statement when checking the mileage by hand calc. My oferhead trip computer normally reads 27-28 and it has proven itself to be about 1-2 over actual most times.

I was very surprised at the increase in mileage that I got with the chip. My only mistake is that I waited 'till about 10k miles to get one. My next one will have a chip in it the first week I own it.
Posted By: Irun5snd8th

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 05:24 PM

Which chip are you using?
Posted By: KillerBee

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 05:26 PM

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I was very surprised at the increase in mileage that I got with the chip. My only mistake is that I waited 'till about 10k miles to get one. My next one will have a chip in it the first week I own it.




Are you keeping an eye on your truck's EGT's towing with the Superchips programmer?
Posted By: MegaDart

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 05:34 PM

my pusher gets 10mpg whether it is towing or not

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Posted By: DPelletier

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 05:51 PM

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Me personally, I am keeping this early 04 305 555 5.9 as long as I can.

good luck




Funny, you'd say that; As you can see from my sig I have an '03 305/555, and '04.5 325/600, an '06 325/610 and an '08 6.7l and out of all of them, I like the 305/555 the best.

They are ALL good trucks and way better than the brand X's and Y's diesels that I've owned or still own.

The 305/555 is the last of the no-post injection event, no catalytic converter motors. Now keeping in mind that every one of my trucks is slightly different (different drivers, tires, accessories, etc.) so direct and exact comparisons are impossible, but my feeling is that the '03 gets about 1-2 mpg better than the '04 or '06 and 2-3 bettern than the 6.7. I also didn't care for the plastic intercooler tanks they used for awhile on the 325 motors and I feel the NV5600 is a better tranny than the later G56.

I've been running a smarty CaTCHER on the '03 for the last year (c/w gauges, of course) and couldn't be happier. Minor complaints are smoke on the higher settings and you need to watch the EGT gauge when towing heavy.

http://www.madselectronics.com/

Dave
Posted By: KillerBee

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 06:16 PM

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Me personally, I am keeping this early 04 305 555 5.9 as long as I can.

good luck




Funny, you'd say that; As you can see from my sig I have an '03 305/555, and '04.5 325/600, an '06 325/610 and an '08 6.7l and out of all of them, I like the 305/555 the best.

They are ALL good trucks and way better than the brand X's and Y's diesels that I've owned or still own.

The 305/555 is the last of the no-post injection event, no catalytic converter motors. Now keeping in mind that every one of my trucks is slightly different (different drivers, tires, accessories, etc.) so direct and exact comparisons are impossible, but my feeling is that the '03 gets about 1-2 mpg better than the '04 or '06 and 2-3 bettern than the 6.7. I also didn't care for the plastic intercooler tanks they used for awhile on the 325 motors and I feel the NV5600 is a better tranny than the later G56.

I've been running a smarty CaTCHER on the '03 for the last year (c/w gauges, of course) and couldn't be happier. Minor complaints are smoke on the higher settings and you need to watch the EGT gauge when towing heavy.

http://www.madselectronics.com/

Dave



Your reasons are exactly why I specifically bought an early 2004 305/555 HO diesel Ram.
Remember, when you list the MPG comparisons of your trucks the 04 you mention is actually an 04.5 model which has the emissions, cat converter, and extra injection event.
My early 2004 has no cats, no emission hassles, no post injection event, and better mpg than the 2004.5 and later trucks.
Personally I like the looks and feel of the steering wheel in my 2004 better than the 2003 trucks.
I have a co-worker with a similar 2005 diesel Ram as mine. My truck ALWAYS gets better mpg than his.

My truck is all stock and has 110k trouble free miles on it.
It is my daily driver and I treat it like one of my classic Mopars.(It sure cost as much!)
It runs and drives like a brand new vehicle and I love driving it.
It still has it's original batteries, transmission, and believe it or not the original ball joints are still in good shape(I do plan to rebuilt the front end this spring just to be safe). I am VERY satisified with it.

With falling prices I have been tempted to buy a newer Diesel Ram truck but after seeing first hand the trouble some are having with carbon build up issues and poor power and MPG with the newer 6.7 diesel Rams I'll just stick with my 04, plus it's paid off.
I think the 2003 and early 2004 diesel Ram are the best, most fuel efficient quadcab Ram trucks Dodge ever built.
I have done research on the various programmers available but I've resisted the urge to install one as I don't need it to be a race truck, but the thought of even better MPG has my interest. I'm just leary of tearing up a tranny or cooking a turbo.
I also intend to drive mine until the wheels fall off.

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Posted By: dvw

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 06:38 PM

I have a 95 2wd dually w/5 speed stick w/3.55. Pulling a 32ft tri-axle I get 12-13 at 65mph. It has a #10 cam plate & 4" exhaust. I put 285 tires on the rear to lower the engine speed ,it didn't help much. We've had this truck since new. When it was stock pulling a 28ft trailer milage was about the same. Sure would like to see milage like Mr P.
Doug
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 09:15 PM

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Me personally, I am keeping this early 04 305 555 5.9 as long as I can.

good luck




Funny, you'd say that; As you can see from my sig I have an '03 305/555, and '04.5 325/600, an '06 325/610 and an '08 6.7l and out of all of them, I like the 305/555 the best.

They are ALL good trucks and way better than the brand X's and Y's diesels that I've owned or still own.

The 305/555 is the last of the no-post injection event, no catalytic converter motors. Now keeping in mind that every one of my trucks is slightly different (different drivers, tires, accessories, etc.) so direct and exact comparisons are impossible, but my feeling is that the '03 gets about 1-2 mpg better than the '04 or '06 and 2-3 bettern than the 6.7. I also didn't care for the plastic intercooler tanks they used for awhile on the 325 motors and I feel the NV5600 is a better tranny than the later G56.

I've been running a smarty CaTCHER on the '03 for the last year (c/w gauges, of course) and couldn't be happier. Minor complaints are smoke on the higher settings and you need to watch the EGT gauge when towing heavy.

http://www.madselectronics.com/

Dave



Your reasons are exactly why I specifically bought an early 2004 305/555 HO diesel Ram.
Remember, when you list the MPG comparisons of your trucks the 04 you mention is actually an 04.5 model which has the emissions, cat converter, and extra injection event.
My early 2004 has no cats, no emission hassles, no post injection event, and better mpg than the 2004.5 and later trucks.
Personally I like the looks and feel of the steering wheel in my 2004 better than the 2003 trucks.
I have a co-worker with a similar 2005 diesel Ram as mine. My truck ALWAYS gets better mpg than his.

My truck is all stock and has 110k trouble free miles on it.
It is my daily driver and I treat it like one of my classic Mopars.(It sure cost as much!)
It runs and drives like a brand new vehicle and I love driving it.
It still has it's original batteries, transmission, and believe it or not the original ball joints are still in good shape(I do plan to rebuilt the front end this spring just to be safe). I am VERY satisified with it.

With falling prices I have been tempted to buy a newer Diesel Ram truck but after seeing first hand the trouble some are having with carbon build up issues and poor power and MPG with the newer 6.7 diesel Rams I'll just stick with my 04, plus it's paid off.
I think the 2003 and early 2004 diesel Ram are the best, most fuel efficient quadcab Ram trucks Dodge ever built.
I have done research on the various programmers available but I've resisted the urge to install one as I don't need it to be a race truck, but the thought of even better MPG has my interest. I'm just leary of tearing up a tranny or cooking a turbo.
I also intend to drive mine until the wheels fall off.




Nice truck!

A couple comments;

- yes, the 2003 ETH's and 2004 ETH's (HO, 305/555) are identical motors and the trucks are 99.9% the same. I think the steering wheel and headrests are different. I try to refer to my 325/600 as a 2004.5 because of the Jan. 1st, 2004 engine change to meet the new emmissions requiremnets in effect as of that date.

- The programmers are nice, but unnecessary unless you are towing very heavy, in hilly country, and are impatient (unfortunately, I'm guilty on all three counts! ) I assume you have a 48RE and despite any naysaying from the brand X guys, it is a stout tranny. OTOH, it isn't quite as capable of withstanding upgraded power output as the manual trannies. I did have to replace the clutch with a South Bend unit, though.

- In all fairness to Cummins, the 6.7 is still a great engine. There are some issues with the new pollution control garbage, but that isn't really thier fault. The "other" guys motors have more and more crap on them too.

- You've got a great truck there. My advice is to just keep driving it. With an average life to overhaul of 440,000 miles, you aren't gonna wear out that CTD anytime soon!

Cheers,
Dave
Posted By: KillerBee

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/29/09 10:17 PM





Nice truck!
- You've got a great truck there. My advice is to just keep driving it. With an average life to overhaul of 440,000 miles, you aren't gonna wear out that CTD anytime soon!

Thanks



- In all fairness to Cummins, the 6.7 is still a great engine. There are some issues with the new pollution control garbage, but that isn't really thier fault. The "other" guys motors have more and more crap on them too.


Cheers,
Dave




Dave,

I agree with you 100%, the 6.7 engine from Cummins is an EXCELLENT diesel engine that unfortunately has been cut off at the knees by ever increasing emission regulations.
My buddy has a 6.7 in his 2007.5.
The engine is extremely quiet but is very hard on fuel and feels underpowered.
Unfortunately carbon buildup in the turbo from the exhaust and EGR has been a nightmare for him.
He's had this carbon buildup issue multiple times, the stealership just cleans everything under warranty and gives the truck back to him to do it all over again, or least until the warranty expires
He finally disconnected the EGR system.
This brough the truck to life.
Tons more power and much better on fuel.
Of course now he has a constant check engine light on the dash.
Unfortunately like in all states what he had to do is illegal. I hope they can come up with a legal solution to the issues on the 6.7 engine for all those who spent 40k plus on a new diesel Ram.
We don't currently have emissions testing in our county but I see it coming in a year or two.

Kevin
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/30/09 02:27 PM

I try and stay away from Fuel Mileage threads at all cost, because half of them are full of crap. Pulling a 40' enclosed, probaly grossing 20-22K, and getting 17 MPG Maybe driving 20 MPH you are getting that. My 03 CTD gets 17 MPG with NO TRAILER, and you are going to tell me you get that hauling around @ 22K LBS? I don't care if there are variables vetween trucks, they ARE NOT going to vary more than 2-3 MPG AT MOST. Hauling my 44' grossing 25K I get 8-10MPG, depending on how fast I go, and what part of the country I am in. Open car hauler loaded, I can squeak 16 if I keep her at 62-65 MPH, it will drop to 15 MPG or so if I speed it up to 70MPH. I have had my truck for 151K miles, and I have tried 3 different programers, and while they all do help SOME, they are not gonna help THAT much I have too many friends that own diesels, and we all hand calculate to see if there is that "unicorn diesel" that can get this so claimed MPG. Well, none so far....the only one's I seem to come across are teh internet Unicorns. Between us we have 2 Duramax's, 2 12 valve CTD, 1 24 Valve, 3 Common Rail 5.9 CTD's, 4 7.3 PSD, and 2 6.0 PSD. The 12 Valve consistently gets the best UNLOADED, and teh Common Rail CTD gets the best LOADED. But none of them vary by more than 2-3 MPG LOADED. We have all pulled the same trailers for teh sake of putting this crap behind us, and pulling the open car hauler (one mentioned above) all teh trucks will get between 14 and 17 MPG. Pulling my 44' enclosed the trucks will get 7-10 MPG.

Unless you are using Propane or Hydrogen, you are not getting that kind of mileage (17MPG hauling 20K+ LBS and 25-28 MPG unloaded ) unless you are going off your overhead which is wrong I can tell you that. It is just a PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY to get that kind of fuel economy pulling that much weight. Your truck has to use "X" power to pull "Y" weight and to make "X" power it will require you to use "Z" fuel.

So, now you can go ahead and tell me I am crazy and you are right, and you have teh unicorn truck and all. Still does not change physics, and your truck can not pull that much weight and and burn that little of fuel. That is a FACT not an opinion. Let the flame start
Posted By: BEEQUIK

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/30/09 02:48 PM

2001 ram 2500 here - 17-18 mpg pulling the open trailer at 65-70 mph and 10-12 mpg pulling the 28 foot enclosed the same mph. I have the superchips programmer set on the middle setting and it gets 22-24 empty towing nothing.It is a 2wd sport shortbed and I still love it.Just had to replace the injector and lift pump at 104K miles. It now has 114K on it and going strong.

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Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/30/09 02:51 PM

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I have a 95 2wd dually w/5 speed stick w/3.55. Pulling a 32ft tri-axle I get 12-13 at 65mph. It has a #10 cam plate & 4" exhaust. I put 285 tires on the rear to lower the engine speed ,it didn't help much. We've had this truck since new. When it was stock pulling a 28ft trailer milage was about the same. Sure would like to see milage like Mr P.
Doug




This is the reason I get better mileage(the trailer).
I have a 6 sp in mine over the stock 5 sp and the 4"
exhaust, I have a #8 plate that I'm going to put in
in the spring. Once I'm on the xway my mileage is good,
its getting to the xway that it sucks.... city stop
and go trafic KILLS my mileage. I put the taller
tires on also to help the gear and it helped a little
but I still wish I could lower the RPM even more.
I tow at 2000rpm and no higher than 2200rpm


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Posted By: DPelletier

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/30/09 06:37 PM

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I try and stay away from Fuel Mileage threads at all cost, because half of them are full of crap. Pulling a 40' enclosed, probaly grossing 20-22K, and getting 17 MPG Maybe driving 20 MPH you are getting that. My 03 CTD gets 17 MPG with NO TRAILER, and you are going to tell me you get that hauling around @ 22K LBS? I don't care if there are variables vetween trucks, they ARE NOT going to vary more than 2-3 MPG AT MOST. Hauling my 44' grossing 25K I get 8-10MPG, depending on how fast I go, and what part of the country I am in. Open car hauler loaded, I can squeak 16 if I keep her at 62-65 MPH, it will drop to 15 MPG or so if I speed it up to 70MPH. I have had my truck for 151K miles, and I have tried 3 different programers, and while they all do help SOME, they are not gonna help THAT much I have too many friends that own diesels, and we all hand calculate to see if there is that "unicorn diesel" that can get this so claimed MPG. Well, none so far....the only one's I seem to come across are teh internet Unicorns. Between us we have 2 Duramax's, 2 12 valve CTD, 1 24 Valve, 3 Common Rail 5.9 CTD's, 4 7.3 PSD, and 2 6.0 PSD. The 12 Valve consistently gets the best UNLOADED, and teh Common Rail CTD gets the best LOADED. But none of them vary by more than 2-3 MPG LOADED. We have all pulled the same trailers for teh sake of putting this crap behind us, and pulling the open car hauler (one mentioned above) all teh trucks will get between 14 and 17 MPG. Pulling my 44' enclosed the trucks will get 7-10 MPG.

Unless you are using Propane or Hydrogen, you are not getting that kind of mileage (17MPG hauling 20K+ LBS and 25-28 MPG unloaded ) unless you are going off your overhead which is wrong I can tell you that. It is just a PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY to get that kind of fuel economy pulling that much weight. Your truck has to use "X" power to pull "Y" weight and to make "X" power it will require you to use "Z" fuel.

So, now you can go ahead and tell me I am crazy and you are right, and you have teh unicorn truck and all. Still does not change physics, and your truck can not pull that much weight and and burn that little of fuel. That is a FACT not an opinion. Let the flame start






Well stated. Mileage claims are bogus at least half the time and there is NO free lunch! The 12V's get great mileage empty, but don't have enough power (stock) loaded and so mileage suffers.

RPM and speed (not the same thing as wind resistance plays a BIG part with most enclosed trailers) can make a big difference as well.

Some fueling boxes, chips and mods can also help with output and mileage to a lesser extent, but come at a cost of increased emissions (no free ride, right!)

When it comes to diesels, people concerned with economy would be better off buying based on power requirements; if 160hp/400ft lbs is enough, then an early 12V will give you better mileage than a new 6.7 CTD. Unfortunately most purchasers want the mileage of a 1993 with the power of a 2008!



Cheers,
Dave
Posted By: RobX4406

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/30/09 06:53 PM

My 95 PSD gets about 17-18 driving 60-62 with 4.10's unloaded about 22-2300 rpm. If I go 55 it jumps to about 19 running 2000 RPM.

With the open trailer running 60-62 about 16.5-17. If I run 70 it might get 15 and at 75 about 13-14. Luckily I'm rarely in a hurry towing.

Only mods to the truck are a fresh air intake and 4" exhaust. I may get a 4 position chip to see if it will help and was thinking about pulling the 4.10's for 3.55's. My trailer doesn't tax the truck like some of you have. Only a couple of grades I've had to pull out of 5th going up a hill on the highway
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/30/09 07:55 PM

Yeah, the speed makes a big difference. The enclosed trailers are really bad at speed unless you've got a v-nose or bubble to break the wind (you know what I mean! ) It's like towing a billboard down the highway.

Dave
Posted By: speedy383

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/30/09 08:43 PM

I base my mileage on actual fuel used /miles driven. My 2001 3500 dually,averages 16/18 normal driving and 22 hwy. With open trailer and 3000lb.car 18to 19. With 24 both extra tall 14/15.I race at Medford 250 miles one way and do a mileage test each time and this includes some big mountains.Mine has an edge chip, unrestricted air cleaner and big exhaust.With a better tuner and other upgrades this could be improved substantially but i am not convinced that longevity isnt compremised.I know guys that pull the hills at a constant 1200 egts,I keep mine at 850 up hills.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: diesel mileage on tow vehicles - 01/30/09 08:58 PM

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I try and stay away from Fuel Mileage threads at all cost, because half of them are full of crap. Pulling a 40' enclosed, probaly grossing 20-22K, and getting 17 MPG Maybe driving 20 MPH you are getting that. My 03 CTD gets 17 MPG with NO TRAILER, and you are going to tell me you get that hauling around @ 22K LBS? I don't care if there are variables vetween trucks, they ARE NOT going to vary more than 2-3 MPG AT MOST. Hauling my 44' grossing 25K I get 8-10MPG, depending on how fast I go, and what part of the country I am in. Open car hauler loaded, I can squeak 16 if I keep her at 62-65 MPH, it will drop to 15 MPG or so if I speed it up to 70MPH. I have had my truck for 151K miles, and I have tried 3 different programers, and while they all do help SOME, they are not gonna help THAT much I have too many friends that own diesels, and we all hand calculate to see if there is that "unicorn diesel" that can get this so claimed MPG. Well, none so far....the only one's I seem to come across are teh internet Unicorns. Between us we have 2 Duramax's, 2 12 valve CTD, 1 24 Valve, 3 Common Rail 5.9 CTD's, 4 7.3 PSD, and 2 6.0 PSD. The 12 Valve consistently gets the best UNLOADED, and teh Common Rail CTD gets the best LOADED. But none of them vary by more than 2-3 MPG LOADED. We have all pulled the same trailers for teh sake of putting this crap behind us, and pulling the open car hauler (one mentioned above) all teh trucks will get between 14 and 17 MPG. Pulling my 44' enclosed the trucks will get 7-10 MPG.

Unless you are using Propane or Hydrogen, you are not getting that kind of mileage (17MPG hauling 20K+ LBS and 25-28 MPG unloaded ) unless you are going off your overhead which is wrong I can tell you that. It is just a PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY to get that kind of fuel economy pulling that much weight. Your truck has to use "X" power to pull "Y" weight and to make "X" power it will require you to use "Z" fuel.

So, now you can go ahead and tell me I am crazy and you are right, and you have teh unicorn truck and all. Still does not change physics, and your truck can not pull that much weight and and burn that little of fuel. That is a FACT not an opinion. Let the flame start





By the way I dont have the overhead readout, I have
to calculate it, if you dont believe my numbers...
to bad... I'm not BS you
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