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Hemi super stock dart Windows

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/22/15 06:14 PM

Does anyone have drawing of the system they used in the door windows? I know they used seat belts, but was trying to find how it's done.

Anyone reproduce kits? Thinking of doing it to loose weight on my car.
Posted By: a493demon

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/22/15 06:30 PM

Think someone just had a video on Facebook .
Posted By: ro23car

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/22/15 06:30 PM

they just use a snap at the bottom of the door
Posted By: a493demon

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/22/15 06:40 PM

I just looked around and couldn't find it .
Posted By: CMcAllister

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/22/15 06:59 PM

Did it on a Duster I had in another life. Seat belt strap bolted to the track mechanism attached to the bottom of the glass. Fold the outer end over and sew. Install a heavy duty snap and install the male half of the snap in the metal below the door panel. The door still had the OE arm rest. I ran it just behind that. Pretty simple. I wasn't trying to make it a perfect copy of the '68 cars.
Posted By: dvw

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/22/15 07:58 PM

Here's my B Body. It ha snap at the top and one at the bottom.
Doug

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Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/22/15 08:25 PM

DAMN nice work there sir and are those formed lexan or?
Posted By: ProSport

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/22/15 08:51 PM

Originally Posted By a493demon
Think someone just had a video on Facebook .


I saw that yesterday, I'll try to find it.
Posted By: dvw

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/23/15 12:30 AM

Originally Posted By Thumperdart
DAMN nice work there sir and are those formed lexan or?

No, Lexan was cut from 4'x8'sheet. The bottom has .060" aluminum angle bolted on to stiffen it up (1/8"). The door release is mounted on aluminum channel as well with a piece of 3/8" steel fuel line welded from the door release to the vent frame to keep the handle from flexing. A Home Depot closet door roller is modified to ride on the front of the vent channel to keep the window from tilting. Vent is Lexan also (1/4").
All cheap stuff. My 63 Dodge H/T was done the same way.
Doug

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Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/23/15 01:13 AM

All the ones I saw back in the day had both seat belt pieces. Pull the release and the window goes down, release with belt hooked to window. The tongue (male part) bolted to bottom of door.
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/23/15 01:16 AM

Originally Posted By dvw
Originally Posted By Thumperdart
DAMN nice work there sir and are those formed lexan or?

No, Lexan was cut from 4'x8'sheet. The bottom has .060" aluminum angle bolted on to stiffen it up (1/8"). The door release is mounted on aluminum channel as well with a piece of 3/8" steel fuel line welded from the door release to the vent frame to keep the handle from flexing. A Home Depot closet door roller is modified to ride on the front of the vent channel to keep the window from tilting. Vent is Lexan also (1/4").
All cheap stuff. My 63 Dodge H/T was done the same way.
Doug

If you don't mind me asking how much does the car weight?
Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/23/15 04:49 AM

Doug, you just run it up through the felt and window?
Posted By: dvw

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/23/15 04:56 AM

Yes, The 63 H/T was 3/16" since there were no frames. It seemed to seal well but at high speed the top of the windows would suck outward with air pressure. The 64 sedan has no issue.
Doug
Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/23/15 04:26 PM

If you are going to actually drive the car much, it is difficult to get the strap just right so that the window is up tight and you can still snap it. Also, even the tough seat belts can stretch just a bit over time allowing the window to drop a little bit.

I dealt with this by using clean used seat belts from the junk yard and attaching the window end of the belt to a loop of stiff elastic band. That way I had some give on the strap so that I could snap it easier when the window was up, and the window was always pulled up tight to the weatherstrip.
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/23/15 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By DaveRS23
If you are going to actually drive the car much, it is difficult to get the strap just right so that the window is up tight and you can still snap it. Also, even the tough seat belts can stretch just a bit over time allowing the window to drop a little bit.

I dealt with this by using clean used seat belts from the junk yard and attaching the window end of the belt to a loop of stiff elastic band. That way I had some give on the strap so that I could snap it easier when the window was up, and the window was always pulled up tight to the weatherstrip.


That's the reason they used the lap buckle part, click it then pull up to tighten the belt
Posted By: Bigcube

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/23/15 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By Thumperdart
DAMN nice work there sir and are those formed lexan or?


X2, Beautiful work! Question, what holds the window up?
Posted By: OUTLAWSSAA

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/23/15 08:56 PM

When you pull the strap down, then snap the button to the tab on the door.
Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/24/15 03:42 AM

While I am no expert, I don't believe that the original 68 SS cars had buckles on the window lift belts. Here is a link to Mancini's old car that is at Mecum now. There are a couple of pics of the interior there. No buckles on the window lift belts on that Dart.

Besides, I tried the buckle. First, it really doesn't do a good job of pulling the window up after the belt goes around all those corners. Second, it is hard on the paint where the belt rubs. And lastly,that buckle flopping around the top of the door when the window is down, isn't cool.

The elastic and a snap is just a better way to go, in my opinion.
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/24/15 04:04 AM

Originally Posted By DaveRS23
While I am no expert, I don't believe that the original 68 SS cars had buckles on the window lift belts. Here is a link to Mancini's old car that is at Mecum now. There are a couple of pics of the interior there. No buckles on the window lift belts on that Dart.

Besides, I tried the buckle. First, it really doesn't do a good job of pulling the window up after the belt goes around all those corners. Second, it is hard on the paint where the belt rubs. And lastly,that buckle flopping around the top of the door when the window is down, isn't cool.

The elastic and a snap is just a better way to go, in my opinion.

Race cars didn't run with the window down. I think 1970, West Virginia Hemi, the first time I noticed what held the window up. Of course he could have done that himself. Saw plenty of the Darts and Cudas in 68-69 but to busy looking at the engine LOL and wishing I had one of them. Still can't afford one!
Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/24/15 04:27 AM

I can't afford a real one, either. So I built my own:

Posted By: dvw

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/24/15 04:28 AM

The snaps work well. One at the top so the strap doesn't fall in, and one at the bottom the material stretches (very little) but mine holds the window up tight. I put it down on the return road every pass, 300 passes. You can see the left side is down, the right side is up. The shiny spot on the right between the door handle and vent is the down snap.
Doug

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Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/24/15 05:32 PM

Originally Posted By dvw
The snaps work well. One at the top so the strap doesn't fall in, and one at the bottom the material stretches (very little) but mine holds the window up tight. I put it down on the return road every pass, 300 passes. You can see the left side is down, the right side is up. The shiny spot on the right between the door handle and vent is the down snap.
Doug

Do you have a full pic of your car? Just trying to see how that color looks over the whole car,not sure on the color on my 64 and not saying I would do your color,love it, but just getting ideas of shades because some just don't work on a Savoy. Hope that came out right. LOL
Posted By: dvw

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/24/15 11:52 PM

Originally Posted By cudaman1969
Originally Posted By dvw
The snaps work well. One at the top so the strap doesn't fall in, and one at the bottom the material stretches (very little) but mine holds the window up tight. I put it down on the return road every pass, 300 passes. You can see the left side is down, the right side is up. The shiny spot on the right between the door handle and vent is the down snap.
Doug

Do you have a full pic of your car? Just trying to see how that color looks over the whole car,not sure on the color on my 64 and not saying I would do your color,love it, but just getting ideas of shades because some just don't work on a Savoy. Hope that came out right. LOL

Here you go. As you see it depends on if it's in the sun.
Doug

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Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/25/15 08:30 AM


Originally Posted By dvw
Originally Posted By cudaman1969
Originally Posted By dvw
The snaps work well. One at the top so the strap doesn't fall in, and one at the bottom the material stretches (very little) but mine holds the window up tight. I put it down on the return road every pass, 300 passes. You can see the left side is down, the right side is up. The shiny spot on the right between the door handle and vent is the down snap.
Doug

Do you have a full pic of your car? Just trying to see how that color looks over the whole car,not sure on the color on my 64 and not saying I would do your color,love it, but just getting ideas of shades because some just don't work on a Savoy. Hope that came out right. LOL

Here you go. As you see it depends on if it's in the sun.
Doug

Very nice, you got the wheels right too. The hook molding separates top and bottom nicely. I have the regular Hemi scoop but with my Hogan cross ram, which is taller, I think I'll need one like yours. I think the carbs will be real close to hood.
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows - 11/25/15 04:16 PM

Originally Posted By DaveRS23
While I am no expert, I don't believe that the original 68 SS cars had buckles on the window lift belts. Here is a link to Mancini's old car that is at Mecum now. There are a couple of pics of the interior there. No buckles on the window lift belts on that Dart.

Besides, I tried the buckle. First, it really doesn't do a good job of pulling the window up after the belt goes around all those corners. Second, it is hard on the paint where the belt rubs. And lastly,that buckle flopping around the top of the door when the window is down, isn't cool.

The elastic and a snap is just a better way to go, in my opinion.



On my Dart which has the original set up uses a button style snap to hold the window up.On the window it is attached to the press in plastic insert.
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