Wade Metzinger...........your intake

Looks good. This is a motor Wade is building for someone else. Haven't gotten Wade to take the bait...........YET..LOL!!!!

Dang Wade are you building a NO2 motor with that KB block.

I'm not Wade, but that is really cool!

Rt66jim, I love that Daytona too!

looks setup just like evilb1dart's intake from 10 years ago on his 540

You will shoot your eye out kid!!!
Looks nice Monte.
Todd

NOT Wade's but been a busy week so far

dam nice, thats got to cost a $100 every hit

Now all you need a are a couple more stages under the carburetor and you are ready for anything

Man..... Who cobbled up that intake.......lol

Little Ragu meat sauce and she's ready for eatin! Looks like fun!!

I think I may have plumbed that one too.........is why they might look familiar.........LOL!!!

Amazin ain't it............I don't even know how to run a lathe, mill or welder.........but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once..........LOL!!!

Superb work brother.

LOL. Um, no. Nice looking intake setups, Monte.

Wes

Thought I did yours when I worked for that there other feller.......but couldn't remember for sure.........LOL!!! I'm OLD and that was a pretty fur piece back.....LOL!!! If I didn't do it yesterday, I don't remember at this point

What? LOL. Secret Squirrel stuff coming out now? Ha-ha!

damn nice looking work

Hey Monte, since you're too busy to respond to emails, voice mail and multiple texts, does Wade get an invoice with that work? Or is that extra? And if he gets one, how long does it take to get it? 2 weeks? A month? A year? A year and a half like it did to get my intake plumbed and flowed which I PREPAID $5,000 to have done?? Or do I have to be on a TV show to get a response??

Not trying to be an azz, but you're bringing it out...

Beautiful! Thank you Monte!

Send him a 1099 and add a zero

Nice work Monte

I lost my place in the dyno line because I don't have my Big Shot kit. An no responses to email or calls.

I see an email came through. Thank you for the heads up.

I'm back in love.

I just looked and I had no emails from you Jeremiah. If I missed a call I apologize, I get about 50 a day. I usually don't answer when I am working or I get NOTHING done and try to get them later in the day. But I get so many, that I sometimes overlook one if it is back a page or two......Plus I lost my phone and have a new smart phone and I myself don't seem smart enough to use the damn thing........LOL!!! Knew I should have stuck with my trusty Blackberry

I sent your plate about 2 weeks ago, just assumed you had it and all was good. I was notified by the place that ships my stuff today, that your package was lost. Like I said, I am building you another and should be done tomorrow or Friday and will go out Friday or Monday

Also, I am NOT saying you didn't send an email either, I am just saying there is not one on my computer.......but, an here is another story. I have had two companies try and get viruses and some crap off my computer, because they something was "compromised", can't remember what they called it. Even had one come online live and my shop computer STILL has a mind of it's own. Shuts on and off whenever it feels like.......it's possessed and a computer guy, I am NOT........LOL!!! I have "sent" emails in my folder, that shows they went out, but guys swear they didn't get it or they get it a week later. I have had email show up as "new" that have a month old date......so I don't know whats up with it. It's an old Windows 7 deal and as you can tell, I am reluctant to change........LOL!! Hate to buy a new one and have to figure out all the new crap. Did I mention I wasn't tech saavy. Guess I need to hire a 10 year old

Maybe they said it was my IPO was in danger.......that sound right? Because when I told them I would just buy a new computer, they said that wouldn't solve the issue......that make sense?

Very Nice work!

Powder coat guy had to redo it 3 times to get something presentable, or at least that I was happy with. Have had no luck with local guys and have tried several. That's why I was "dammit" when you said you wanted me to have it done.......LOL!!!

Looking at the thickness of the mounting flanges is that one of the few tall deck B1 intakes in existence?

Mike this style B1 intake was for low deck blocks only. Folks had to use spacers/adapters under them for use on RB blocks.

Wes

Wes they had a few tall deck B1 manifolds cast I just spoke with Dave Koffel about it about 2-3 months ago. I have been trying to find one but ended up buying the low deck manifold and spacers.

Mike, cool. Didn't know; been 10yrs since I even looked at any of this stuff and they've updated...LOL. My guess is they cast a few because Koffel was most likely seeing guys use the big INDY 440-3X intake on top of their heads.

INDY came out with the 440-3X intake because Ken Lazzeri saw the B1 intake on top of their heads on Fairchild's motor back in the day......LOL. Fact.

It's all good Monte. Computers, phones, and shipping companies all secretly hate me, closely followed by machine shops!

Thanks again for getting in touch.

ps. My t-shirt size is large and my sign is "Leo"

That actually did cross my mind, Ray...

Invoice showed up in an email last night, and surprisingly I didn't get a explanation/excuse like Jeremiah got because he doesn't have one...

Hey Monte, why did you charge me to flow two systems when you only flowed one? I'd think that flowing nitrous through both sides of a Fogger nozzle for EFI would be the same amount of work as flowing nitrous and fuel through one Fogger nozzle ?? plus you charged me $800 for that when you'd told me two years ago when I PREAID you it would cost $500 for flowing one stage? I could go on and on, but I'm sure it wouldn't do any good any way...

Dealing with you has knocked the wind out my sails...I never thought in a million years that when I prepaid you that it was going to take TWO FULL YEARS to get a camshaft and an intake plumbed and flowed.... I respect your knowledge, Monte, but I have no respect for how you run your business and the sad part is, it's really not that hard....all you have to do is do what you say and put work in line as you get it and do it in order...

What's funny about all this is that I could have plumbed and flowed my junk myself, but I sent it to you to spend some money with you because you're always whining about how broke you are and this is how I get treated....

This is a low deck but has the spacers welded, cleaned up and then powder coated to look like it was made that way.

It belonged to another local Mopar guy (well ex-mopar guy..lol he put a Chevy in his dragster last year) and he had some of our local buddies do all the work and they did a great job)

No, Jim, this is for a customer's motor.

572, World Aluminum Block, 4.5" Callies Crank, 7.100 R&R H-beam rods, B1-originals Nitrous tuned/ported(there's a long story about these but I'm not ready to tell it just yet), T&D paired rocker, custom roller cam designed by Monte, Isky bushed roller lifter, ATI balancer with crank trigger pickups made into it, Jessel belt drive, Diamond coated piston (joint designed by Monte and Diamond)10.7:1 compression for pump gas.

Drag Week motor, shooting for close to 900hp on motor and then spraying it 500-700hp. At least that's the goal and plan, but we'll have to see how it works out.

I'll try to share some pictures in the next few weeks of this build.

it really sucks to get screwed by anyone like that, but even worse when your trying to help someone out. try not to let it put you in a bad place. please finish that cuda im dying to see it youtube again.

Was going to ignore you, but you just won't let it go and seem to want to do it publicly, so how about the other side of the story.....As usual, you would be thinking WRONG. You can recover fuel used to flow the fuel side and use it over and over. Nitrous is GONE, in the air.......so regardless of one nozzle or two, if you flow 2 dry stages, even through one nozzle, you use twice as much nitrous as a single wet kit. And there is ALWAYS an additional charge for more than one stage and you admit you have 2 and you KNOW I get $500 for a single, so you got a $200 break

I don't grind the cams, I just order them.

Well then you SHOULD have plumbed and flowed it yourself. You have no issue putting on nitrous classes yourself and using MY info........so knock yourself out, if it is so easy. When you said you wanted to do some classes and that you had your own bench built "just for your amusement" and you had no intention of doing any nitrous work, yet have told me yourself you have done some for local guys. Also said you would refer all the guys in the classes to me for work.......NOT ONE has sent me anything, or even called. That's seems kinda strange.....although a few have called to order Holley parts..........so maybe I should just set you up as a dealer and you can get that business to.

And lets not act like you JUST got your intake. You have had it quite a while and refresh me........but is the car running yet, or do you even have the motor?

Yes, I admit, I had the intake a LONG time. But YOU told me you were not in a hurry, as you had all the block problems, plus I was really busy, so again, YOU said no hurry, get it when you can. So I put it on the back burner and basically forgot about it on the shelf, then you got your panties in a wad.

Talking about respect, all the while throwing me under the bus. Whatever makes you feel better. You just figure up how much you think I should owe you, let me know and consider it DONE and you won't have to be disappointed ever again........at least not with me

There's always 2 sides to every story

There will always be money to be made and people have differences of opinion but friends only come along once in a great while, cherish them as one day they will not be around. Take it for what it worth.

holy cow, I thought Monte and Squeeze were partners of some sort

I will admit, that I can be a little slow at times, but it is the nature of this type business. If everybody that SAID they were going to send me an intake DID so, they would be knee deep around here all the time. As it stands, I may get two this week and 10 next week. When something like that happens, you go from pretty much caught up, to seriously buried. And always doing them in the order they arrive sounds like a good plan, but doesn't work that way in the real world....... You have a really good customer, who sneezed and destroyed the intake on his TD and needs to next day it to you, so you can get it done for the next week, because he is leading the points.........well, that's what you do. You GET IT DONE, so he doesn't miss a race. So that takes 3 days to fix and now your "schedule" is even more behind. Or maybe 3 trips to the powder coater, because they can't get the intake like you want it. I work FOR Holley. They call and say "hey, we have an EFI customer who is really struggling, need you to go and help him out". Can't tell them no, I work for them. Now you are a couple MORE days behind and last time I checked, you can't make up lost time. It's easy for people to stand on the outside and say how you SHOULD do things, but unless they are in your circumstances, they simply don't know. I also don't make the parts or have every part in the NOS catalog in stock. Every kit is not the same, every job is not the same, so if I have backordered parts, I work on what I have parts for. This should be no secret to anyone in this business.....some times parts are hard to get. With the limited inventory that ALL companies seem to keep now, I can knock that inventory out with one large order, then I have to wait for more. And I can't order parts ahead because someone SAYS they will send an intake. I have to have it in my hands, so I don't tie up all my funds, waiting on you to possibly send it when you get around to it, if at all.

The shipping company lost Jeremiah's package. I will get the money back from them whenever they feel like it. But to get him going, I have to use parts from another job and spend that time on his again, that I will not be paid for. The insurance will only pay for the parts, not the labor, regardless of the "value" you place on the package(already been around this fence a time or two) So that is essentially wasted time and another trip to ship his parts off. All part of doing business and it rarely goes as planned

Then we get the "why don't you hire help" comments.......simple answer is, there is no good help. Everyone who calls, wants to talk with me, so no good for someone to just answer phone. I like things done a certain way, so I have to show you, I would just as soon do it. Plus it's MY name on it. I HAVE talked with a few guys, their FIRST question when they walk in the shop......"where is the flow bench".......so it's right back out the door for them. That's like being an apprentice at an engine shop and the FIRST thing you want to know is all the guys secrets he has learned over the years. NOT going to happen here.

Lastly, with my moms passing last year, the fact I had to put my dad in an assisted care facility, the fact that I am an only child and am the one who has to PAY for that care, as well as all their left over bills.......I have been traveling more, taking more tuning dates and taking all the work I can get, because I NEED the money. And one unforeseen trip to the hospital, the lawyer, whatever, on top of business things that happen..........before you know it, you can be buried behind with no relief in sight. Not complaining, it just is what it is and you do the best you can and if that isn't good enough for some..........oh well, you can't make everybody happy and life is way too short to worry about it. Yeah, I know everybody has problems and mine are nothing exclusive, but you just do what you can do, with the hand dealt

Wade himself has a REALLY good story to tell about how things don't always go as planned.........but that will be HIS to tell when he feels like it

I attended one of the classes. I sent a few PMs inquiring on a few items. I also inquired about flowing an Edelbrock plate system. I never heard back on the flowing of the Edelbrock plate? Not a big deal really..and not along of $$$ for you, but it is what it is/was.

Sorry to hear about your parents. Tough stuff.

If you left a PM for me here, chances are very good I will not see it. I rarely check PMs here, plus I can't seem to stay logged in to know if I even have a PM, plus there are times I don't come on this site for weeks

Have you been spying on me at my shop? EXACTLY what I have to deal with repairing cars for a living. I used to think small buisness owners where whiners with lots of money until I started my own shop, HOLY COW!!! No one wants to work and no one understands why you can not work on their car RIGHT THEN!

the reason you small shop guys can't find good help is because you have nothing to offer them. no Retirement, no medical,optical,dental, the list goes on. they are out there but not going to work for $10-15 bucks an hour with no benefits.

Are you really this big of a Dick with every breath you take?

I own a small business, we employ a lady part time as a bookkeeper, we pay her 12 bucks an hour, she suggested the wage, is tickled to get it, and we offer no benefits.
I have only VA, as a veteran, my wife has no insurance.
Can't see paying through Obamacare for a lousy policy that has huge deductibles. Rather roll the dice and pay as I go.
Some employees, like her, have a spouse that has good coverage.
My retirement is the inventory of cars on my lot that continues to grow because I work my butt off to make it work, along with my spouse.
You really should think before you open your mouth, there are PLENTY of people out there that would LOVE to have a job that pays 10-15 bucks an hour and teaches a viable skill, such as someone would gain as an apprentice under somebody like Monte.

That's not it..........You have to find somebody that WANTS to do it and be involved in this type industry. I sure ain't getting rich and work my azz off just to get by, but I am NOT punching a clock everyday in a job I hate, just to collect a check. I have none of that stuff you list, unless I pay for it myself and the one time I DID try a guy, I was paying him WAY more than that, when he bothered to show up.

really sorry if the truth bothers you.

It's not the truth.......

Real good friend of mine has been a mechanic most of his life( he is darn handy, in his mid 50's) but can't pass a written license test because of ADD. He worked in a busy shop for 25 years for his brother in law. He retired, and my buddy got axed when the new owners bought the business. He has struggled since, had part time jobs as a parts runner for NAPA, etc, etc. he is an excellent mechanic, has helped me a ton over the years with my cars. His wife has a good factory job and makes pretty good money with lots of overtime, but my buddy feels bad not pulling his weight, due to his disability affecting his employment.
He would be tickled to work at a shop as an unlicensed mechanic under another's guys lcense( it's legal to do so here) but hasn't had any sustained luck this far.
That 10-15 bucks an hour would be a steal to get a guy with his know how, he would take it in a heartbeat , and gain some dignity in his mind helping out his spouse more.
You can't throw a blanket over everyone and say this or that wouldn't make them happy.
I am lucky, I frankly make a lot of money, taken a long time, and maybe you do as well..... But not everyone is so fortunate, sometimes it's easy to forget that.

Small buisness has a lot to offer. I can offer way more flexibility in schedule than a dealer. I pay my guys a lot more than I ever made working for any dealer. Personaly I would rather save up for my own retirement than take any of the plans I was ever offered working for a big company. One on one training.


BTW I would be extatic if I could find someone to work that cheap, actually I would offer someone a lot more than that if they were any good because I would not want to lose them.

I keep hoping with the oil fields laying people off some of the mechanic types might come back to town but in the last two months advertising I had one guy apply for a job, I called him set up an interview and never showed or called.

Someone has to be liscensed to be a mechanic somewhere? I never heard of that. Sure would help around here with all the jerry rigged junk we have to fix after other guys.

Good looking intake...

yea right, it is the truth. how you can compare a mechanic that can fabricate tig weld and have probably 40K in tools and do the quality work like Monte does to a little old lady doing book keeping is beyond me. you wont find those for the pennies you are willing to pay.

Yes, in Michigan a repair facility has to be licensed, as well as mechanics working there, to fix a vehicle for Joe public. Fixing a car in an unlicensed garage is against the law.
You can get around it..... If say one guy isn't licensed and the other three guys are, by them basically taking credit for his work and " hiding" him as maybe a cleanup guy, or parts chaser, etc, etc., apprentice.

Good looking intake Monte.

As for the hired help part, we try to hire maintenance mechanics here all the time. Base pay for an Apprentice PM guy is $18 plus insurance. Pay goes up with abilities. Last guy hired seemed to be pretty good, but was gone in 4 months from booze. Most of the people who apply can't pass a basic core knowledge test. They interviewed 3 in the last 2 weeks and hired none.

Even for the floor the average is 10 hired, 2 make it 6 months. We don't build rockets or anything difficult here, but people just don't seem to have any kind of work ethic anymore.

No need to work. They can set home smoke dope and play vidio games and get payed for it. Sooner or later the money is going to run out. The rest of us will have to work till we drop. Welcome to....................

I'm going to jump in here because it's more time out of the day for us to discuss this in other venues i.e. email or telephone.

1) I'd love to get involved with the shipper to find my package. UPS freight lost my brand new Lenco 4-speed. I worked with them for seven days until they found it. Let's work together to find the original before we give up. Get the tracking info to me in an email and I'll help this along. I already lost my place in line so another week won't change much.

2) Dealing with work, a side business, family and property is a huge undertaking. When you are buried it doesn't take much to overrun you. I spend most of my time trying to keep from being in that position. Last year my dad unexpectedly (to me, not him) died of lung cancer. It took me almost a year to catch up both in time and finance. Still sealing with lawyers, creditors and the revenuers. I can relate to that.

3) You can't find good help these days. I'm the young guy at work and I'm getting old lol. Anybody that is worth training is already working in some capacity and has a gig. Combine that with every person thinking they should get paid to be trained and you have a "more trouble than it's worth" scenario crossed by the "if I have to show you how to do it I might as well do it myself" factor.

4) I'd get a second line for your business just to separate the voicemail. Also take the time (you don't have) to write down good times to call people along with their contact info. I have an entire set of people I almost always contact before 5pm and another set that is only available at night...and late too! Not saying that you need to work 18 hours a day (even though you probably do) but it might alleviate some stress from the business end of things if you tried it. As we have gotten busier we have also had to get much more organized which is a hard habit to instill when everything is an emergency.

Also, changing your voicemail or setting up an automated email response might help people know you are still out there just really busy. If you need help with this my consultation services are very reasonable. I offered to go down and run Lenco for a few months to straighten that place out but they declined lol.

Everybody just hang in there, it's going to be a bumpy ride for all of us technicians regardless of your field.

I have to go now, my hair is on fire.

Boom shocka locka.....

When I was going to buy my injection system I can say
that Monte helped me out.. and saved me over $700 on
what to buy and what not to... I did my own injector
mounting since thats what I did back at Chrysler.. so
I will say thanks to him... sorry if some others had
issues

I sent him a PM about two years ago questioning about shocks for my Dart, from his reply apparently everything I own is junk. Never will I buy anything.

there is clearly a lack of work ethic these days. the problem is the good employee's are all taken and happy with their current jobs. it would take something special to get them. so we are pretty much left with the scraps. but thats not because there are no qualified people out there, they are all just working at a better gig. if you are a small company looking for quality people you will have to step up your game and offer more to get them. it's called competition.

Don't feel bad, you're not the only one...I can't even count how many times I've heard similar stories from people...from people that have been to the nitrous classes to shops that have tried to use him...It's amazing how many people have texted me the last 24 hours that have used the words "pompous" and "arrogant" to describe Monte...He's brought all this upon himself....

Monte's all worried that someone he hires might steal his work....fact is, Monte's his own worst enemy...If he would do what he says and learn some customer relation etiquette, he wouldn't have anything to worry about, because even if someone could flow systems like he does, he would still be way ahead of them because of his practical experience from being at the race track for decades....He can't see the forest because all the trees are in the way...

wow this troubles me to read this. I have the utmost respect for Monte and his vast knowledge he shares with the members. and I hope he continues doing so. But dang man this doesn't look good for you. there is no good excuse for not communicating to customers and getting their junk back in a timely fashion. be upfront and tell people it may take a long time. there also is no excuse for not providing paper work. By the evidence I see presented to this court I rule in the favor of Big Squeeze. sorry Monte but I hope you get with him and make it right..

I admitted it took a long time and whatever facts are presented there is still more to the story. Yes, he paid up front, but at that time there was a real issue with the block he had and he was contemplating building a big block with PSO heads, because the block he planned to use had bad main web registers and they were not sure if it could be fixed or they could find another block. I know it went to a couple shops and was even discussed for me to look at it. I know whoever had it at the time, called me talking about block and he told me they had not decided what the plan was, I didn't talk to Wayne. Don't remember how long it was before the decision to stick with smallblock was made, nor who let me know that decision, but then parts were ordered and machine work done on intake.

The cam was a custom billet blank, with a 4 month lead time. It was ordered, after, not sure how long, he contacted me and said the new block needed a 55mm core instead of the previous 50mm as ordered. I contacted the grinder, relayed this info and then at a later date Wayne called back and said to just stick with the 50mm. I then relayed this information to the cam grinder. I never gave it another thought and they must have put it on the back burner. He called earlier this year asking about cam. I admitted to him that I had forgotten about it, but would call and check on it, so I did. They had forgotten about it as well, but got started and I think 3 months later, we had a cam.

As Wayne himself stated, he told me he wasn't in a hurry and I likely took advantage of that situation as I was extremely busy and had lots of other issues to deal with in the last year or so. I knew he didn't have his motor, nor was anywhere near ready to race, so didn't get it back to the front of the line soon enough, which was entirely my fault and there is no excuse.

On the matter of the invoice, I told him the truth........that it had been so long, that I could NOT remember what all was involved in the price given. Originally that price possibly included some motor parts, but I simply didn't remember and neither did he and I was working on it.

I had a parts list on my computer that I had been figuring out and when he posted here, I sent what I had to him and it had on it, what I remembered, what he had paid, and what the work had cost. There was over a $1000 dollar difference and I plainly told him that I could not remember where it was. He reminded me that I had put the injectors in his manifold and he had not supplied them. So that shaved more off the total but there was still about $500 missing that I had no idea what it was for. So as I told him here, all he has to do is let me know how much he thinks I owe him and he will get it. I think originally I was supposed to get him some lifters, but he got them elsewhere, because it appears we BOTH forgot what the original plan was. I admittedly did not write it down and it appears he did not either, because even he forgot that a cam was part of the deal and he bought one from Charlie Buck, who did the heads.

So bottom line............poor time management on my side.......poor record keeping on both sides

This has been a long and drawn out affair, as there have been numerous setbacks on his engine, for various reasons, I don't think any of which were in his control and knowing this, I did not make enough of an effort to get his intake back to the front, for which I have apologized to him numerous times. And as I said, I simply did NOT remember what the original deal was for, but I was trying to figure it out, but obviously not figuring it out fast enough. I didn't just whip up that bill and send it to him because I saw it here. I had been trying to work it out and jog my memory, by looking at things I had ordered and who they were for a and at this point, I STILL don't recall what the original deal was and he doesn't either

I hope both parties can take the experience and move forward. We all know both are good guys. Yet we all have our faults. Life's too short and you can't have too many friends. Everyone have a nice holiday weekend.

This^^^^^^^^^

Failure to Communicate. Seen it many times.

Been in business all my life,50 years. If an employee can't make me twice what i pay him, he's useless other than getting the work out. If talented and smart he will have his own shop. In all those years and maybe 100 workers, there where two that I could trust not to burn the place down and have the work done. iMO The only "good" employee has some type of baggage attached to keep him from leaving. The last twenty years I just did it myself without all the headaches and regs you have to put up with($$$$)

Monte I really think you missed the boat on this one. I don't know all the dynamics but I do know Big Squeeze is more than qualified to help you and become a partner so both of you could make some money have a good product and take care of your customers. it wont be long before you can't get customers at this pace. one unhappy customer tells everyone and the word soon spreads, just like this thread. If I were you I would go over and have a heart to heart talk make a contract between the two of you and join sides..

to be honest with that attitude I am surprised you ever got an employee. sorry that's just the way you come across.

L
Not sure what you mean about attitude, sounds like you have never been in business for yourself. Why else would you have an employee than to make you money, It's not charity. That's the problem with today's worker, they think they're owed something more than a paycheck. It's simple business, you make me money the doors stay open. If not I might as well be fishing down on the riverbank.

Quicktree is 1st round runner up again.
Mind your own business

I think you are wrong one this one FastmOp, Quicktree has you on this one. you have to pay what the work is worth if you are making a full pie than the worker has to make a certain percentage of that pie for his work and qualifications and experiencing if not it does not work.

I just think two friends were hashing out a problem, in a public forum but still two guys that are working it out. They don't need chumps poking and prodding. I hope squeeze and Monty can still be friends after this deal. If not, it's a shame. I met the two guys together hanging out at the track, I hope they can still do that.

I think we have had enough fun on this topic. The issues you all have can be handled offline or via PM. This is done..