Street Outlaws episode last night

Chucky's race was petty BS! Splitting hairs
Petey Smallblock should have knocked that little Boosted dude right out of his shoes. Said he jumped.
2 bogus races in a row.

When in doubt, go to the flagger for the last word. What's funny is the flagger was from the 405. That was a win win for the 405 car.

Yeah, it was an interesting series of events, all right. But all we get to see is what the editors want us to see. Wonder how much other sh#t went down with the lane crossing and light jumping technicalities.

Funny how Big Chief refers to Kye Kelly has his kryptonite now. Looks to me like his buddy Shawn's Nova might be sorted out well enough to eat his lunch, too, considering it beat the car that they said beat Kelly's Camaro.

That was the "season finale", right?

B!tch all you want. Street Outlaws is still the coolest drag racing show on TV. And although a technicality, a red light is a red light and means a loss at every drag race I have ever attended. As is crossing the line. Have you raced anywhere that those rules were different?

And EVERYBODY'S phone has a camera now. Do you really think that the producers of that show could pull much crap and not get called on it? With video to back it up?

Street Outlaws is not perfect, but it is a lot of fun to watch. Just relax and watch some street racing from the comfort of your easy chair. We don't get that very often and I hope it lasts a while longer. Just for fun. And remember, for most of us, it is only entertainment, nothing more, nothing less.

Yea, it was the season finally; though there are still a bunch of races to go for the $50,000.00.

Chief is 3 for 3 to Kye..............I wonder how he likes Crow

Next season should be interesting

I know one thing for sure is those nitrous cars stage so much nicer than those herky jerky turbo cars. Go Kyle GO.

They are filming next season right now. Thunder Valley Raceway should have the no prep race on video feed the14-15th. There will be a ton of street outlaws there so tune in if you can.

http://www.outlawarmageddon.com/

My satellite went out with seven minutes to go so I didn't get to see the end.

I was sorta drunk... I'll watch it online lol

Splitting hairs??? You jump you're out.....you cross the center you're out. I fail to see the confusion.

And if you roll it back to the race, you saw Dave way it off immediately as a jump, as soon as the cars left, well before he knew the outcome.

Why? You cross, you lose. He crossed, what's the problem?

Dennis

The crossing call was iffy to me. I've always considered the center stripe the center line, not the joint in the concrete. If that was discussed in the beginning then all is good.

It was, I think it was Chief that said it was agreed upon before any races happened.

Dennis

I think the concrete seam vs. the white line was a little iffy, but Brian paid up...

A lot of times you will hear "chase is a race", so even if you jump, if the other lane leaves, it on...

you can't argue that Chucky and the .Net Boyz were putting it down on small tires.

I like the show, only thing on TV I watch, but I'd prefer more racing, less theatrics

I want to see a rematch b/t Boosted and Petey. Petey's car is nasty!

Big Chief just needs to hang it up w/ Kye. I thought it was hilarious when he said Chief was paying for his house! They need to change the intro of the show to say Oklahoma has the 2nd fastest street raced cars in the country. That, or invite Kye to move to OK like they did Boosted.

Doc's car looked pretty impressive. Left real good. The "ATM Boys" b/c I just keep getting cash out of em, LOL!!!

It's street racing.
Around here it doesn't matter if someone jumps, if both cars leave, it's a race.
" if two cars leave, it's a race"
" a chase is a race"
That's why Petey didn't want to pay, even if he did jump, boosted still left too.
That's the way it works around here.

I gotta agree there. I really enjoy the show. Now they will play the Texas Ego and his Azz Monkeys hacking cars up for a few months.

I do have to admit... I laughed pretty hard at the MorDoor Nova scene..

Yeah, that's what I was commenting about. If all that was explained to everyone right up front, then it is what it is.

Also, I did see that Daddy Dave pointed out the guy racing Boosted as having jumped as soon as they left. I couldn't tell from the video replay of the start how blatant it was, though.

From DAY ONE on Street Outlaws.......it has been made clear, you jump, you LOSE......you cross, you LOSE. What is done elsewhere is irrelevant.

And while Petey's jump was no doubt close, if you are boosted and you are watching Dave, how you going to be able to call that as a jump and just sit there. Too close..........but Dave called it immediately.

You also have to remember, Discovery is filming this with multiple camera angles. So one scene, Boosted and Petey are headed off to settle it. Go to commercial and come back, all is good. While we may not have seen it shown clearly on TV, you can BET they were shown on site on more than a laptop screen

From this view it does not look like it was a jump. I think the car rocked on the trans brake and boosted got paid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUYhvGJgoQc

Boosted staged last......which means Petey should have been sitting there with his finger on the button already..........are you saying the car would rock when he decked it?.......Don't think I buy that.

When you are staging, rolling up and grab the brake.....yes, some cars tend to rock. But just sitting there, car not moving, brake engaged, deck it....should NOT move.

I think when Dave started backing up, he flinched and the car "jerked" like the turbo cars do when bumping in. Wasn't bad, but it DID move

Looked like Petey small block has done this a time or three and tree'd Boosted and it made look like a jump because Boosted was that late on the flashlight drop

Maybe Pete didn’t know how long Boosted was going to take to bump in and wait to get on the break to avoid heating up the trans. Pete broke his trans that day and they pulled the transmission out of Brains car after he raced Monza.

I agree

The Shocker is one bad a#$ Camaro!!! That thing just works.

Petey's car did not move before the light, period. Boosted got the s!@# tree'd out of him.

Easy to see with the 80's porn quality video. LOL

The car was rolling forward in the side shot showing the front tire prior to the light coming on. It wasn't rocking back/forth. Can't deny that, plain as day.

In that video, you can see Petey's car rocking backwards as Dave steps out in front of them. So it makes sense that it may have begun to rock forward prior to letting go (???). On a tree, it would have been green. I think Petey guessed at the flashlight, and guessed correctly. I would have given the win to the blue car.

Also, the other technical foul for crossing the center line was so flippin' close..... It's supposed to be STREET racing, isn't it?? The way I saw it: 405 boys got outrun in all but 1 race.

I agree.

This is friggin great. More discussion here about street outlaws than the last 5 NHRA events. What does NHRA need?

I couldn't have said it any better. Hope Petey Smallblock comes back next season and cleans his clock!

I know what it doesn't need...a bunch of stuffed shirt block heads who are only at NHRA to scam money from a "non profit" organization. Their only tie to drag racing is MONEY and how to get it from racers, sponsors, fans and advertisers. The cuurent NHRA leadership CAN'T fix drag racing becasue they don't drag race. They can't move with change. NHRA leadership is worthless, petty, conniving, thoughtless and narrow minded.

So, since you asked...what would I do (I have a 9th grade education, my vocabulary rarely has over 4 letter wordsand I don't play well with others. Here is what I would do:

1. Look at EVERY eliminator, not every class. EVERY eliminator. Starting with TF on down (remembering this is with a National event TV package in mind). You can't fix a fuel class trying to slow them down. All they do is blow [censored] up. So get rid on the 3.20:1 gears rule. Let them use 2.90's or taller. RPM's kills [censored]. The NHRA adapted that gear rule 2 deacades ago and it was stupid then. It's retared now. Next, lose the rev limiters. They are parts breakers. Get rid of the killer (literally) two strut wings and mandate a single wing. If you stop the reason for most parts breakage (RPM and RPM limiters) you fix 90% of the crap.

2. Pro Stock. It's very simple. OEM bodies. Period. What your OEM gives you, DEAL WITH IT. They should look like showroom cars (except with a hood scoop...only ricers and fruit cakes think hood scoops are cool...let those dudes go drifting). To go along with the body rules, all engines MUST have the following: OEM deck height, valve angles, cam height, bore spacing and lifter bank angles. Either carbs or EFI. Let the best man win. Pro Stock would be the class to watch. And simple to police (tech).

3. Pro Stock Motorcycle. Scrap the whole damn eliminator. Done. And done.

4. Competition eliminator. See Pro Stock motorcyle. Comp was a piece of crap in 1980. Go back to Modified eliminator, where injectors and cool [censored] was the norm. Modified can and would translate right into PS. Comp sucks BUT money killed Modified Eliminator back in the day. Even NHRA has it's wine and cheese crowd. When they leave, NHRA would be better.

5. TAFC and TAD. Bring in injected Nitro to TAFC. Since I haven't paid attention to either alky class since about 2004 I'm open to advice, but I would damn sure bring injected Nitro into TAFC.

6. Super classes. Now we get to the most retarded form of drag racing I can think of. Absolutely S-T-U-P-I-D. Bring a beginner in who THINKS NHRA is about going fast and show the a throttle stop class and they are ready to leave. If they wanted restrictor type racing they could go to ASSCAR. Buh-bye. I would immediatedly stop all super class racing at nationals. TODAY. I don't give a tinkers crap about how good these dudes can drive, how great their "packages" are. Who cares? Unless you have an assload of money (think Morgan Lucas) no one from a super class goes on to other classes. There are exceptions but DAMMIT, you can't bore the track crowd (never mind a TV audience) with super class racing. Stop this nonsense NOW. Most people think the stands empty because PS is up, but really, it's a mad dash to the pits because it's more fun to watch dudes busting their humps working on a car than it is to watch super class racing. So they miss out on what little Comp and Stock and Super Stock have to offer. KILL SUPER CLASS RACING AT NATIONAL EVENTS NOW.

6. Stock/Super Stock. These two eliminators should be fan favorites but they are not for several reasons. 1. They are run like a brakcet race. 2. IDIOTIC qualifying and elimination rules. Run these cars handicapped off the current class NATIONAL record, not off an index. While I'm at it, the newly reformed Modified Eliminator would run off of a national record too. Somehow, you would have to eliminate some of the classes. I think there are well over 80 classes each for Stock/Super Stock. Cut it way back and run them off the national record.

7. Top Sportsman. I would let the be a 100% no throttle stop bracket race. . 2 Eliminators, one for pipe racks the other for door cars. Big wight breaks for cars with clutches (automatics are boring to watch) and run the pipe rack against the door car for all the money.

I have more ideas but you get the point. NHRA is fixable, but not until a racer is leading the place.

Huh.....interesting. I kinda thought they might do that with T/S and T/D and escort the Super classes out, but I was wrong....or was I?

Just for giggles here is an independent view of the alleged early leave. Decide for yourself what happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUYhvGJgoQc#t=36

Looked like the left lane cut a nuts-on light from watching the slo-mo intro...

I think that if he was staged light at the track, he would NOT have red lit..




Chris..

Note to self: If I'm ever racing with that bunch, Daddy Dave won't be the flagger...

Everyone is splitting hairs,Lol.

When is a .499 red not the same as a .289 red !!

Sure it was close and he almost guessed right as there is slow
mo videos on the net that clearly show's he was moving before the light came
on...Was it close...Sure it was !!

Dave wouldn't cheat anybody,especially when it is being filmed !

Same rules as nhra/ihra...You move early or cross centerline you
loose !!

Guess the question is was it a -.001 Red or a .001 green? Looks awfully close to me. Was it to close for someone to make an immediate call that he jumped as the starter did, which likely tainted the eventual outcome. You can make your own decision. IMO he killed the tree and should have won from that view which in HiDef blown up it seems pretty freaking clear to me. Watch the rear suspension movement and the lite.

Not saying he cheated anyone, just saying sure looks good from this angle and the "starter" who should be unbiased sure made a quick call that was AWEFULLY close, just saying.

Looks like he was dead on with the light in slow motion.
Real time, to close to call.

I think Chucky from Detroit also got screwed.
This is street racing
Too many stips all in favor of the 405.
Those guys drove a lot of hours to participate only to get hosed

Here is the deal, right or wrong..........this is STREET racing, not on the track racing. So there is no beams, no lights, no trees and all up to human split second decisions. Did Petey "jump" REALLY close call. Was the car MOVING before the light flash, YES. Rocking, rolling a little, whatever, the car MOVED. So if you are the one in between two cars, lighting a flash light and see a car move in the least bit before you click the light, you are going to likely see that as a jump, as Dave immediately did. Now those of you saying that Dave did that for the benefit of one of "his 405 guys" needs punched in the mouth. That would be a LOW CLASS move and David Comstock is NOT low class. He is a stand up guy and not one of those out of town guys had a problem with him flagging and nobody EVER has, so you can just stop that trash talk.

Plus, some of you are saying Petey's car moved the split second the light came on. There isn't a tree out there boys. If the cars moves the INSTANT the light is on, he jumped, because you can't react to whats not out there. This would be like instant green racing on a tree. If he is moving the INSTANT the flashlight comes on, he guessed, plain and simple. But he did guess REALLY close

Also, you think the guy got hosed on a technicality for crossing the line and feel bad he drove so far.........well here is a thought. Follow the rules, one of which is you cross, you LOSE.

But some and it seems pretty obvious who they are........are just gonna be "haters" and never have anything good to say or think anything is right, as well as thinking it's all fixed.......so it really doesn't matter what THEY think anyway

They need to get rid of the if you jump you lose BS.
This isn't track racing, it's street racing, there are no lights.
If two cars leave, it's a race.

Then I would just wait until the starter headed back and I'd leave and WIN. Oh wait, I'd just let you go and not chase...then it's not a race right and I'd WIN right?

WTF???

If you want 100% accurate starting and timing, go to the track. Wait, wait wait, there are timing malfunctions there too.

Screw it, lets never race again cuz it's just not fair.

BOTH cars MUST leave for it to be a race.
If you leave and I don't move, it's NOT a race.
If you let me leave and don't move, it's not a race.

I'd get into other terms, like a car, the break, and the clear, but I'm sure you wouldn't understand.
And if they pulled that non paying crap around here, the noise makers come out.

No, I get it you fool.

Why are east coast people snotty and arrogant? And why do they cloak idle threats with innuendo? He's gonna get me with his noise maker. WTF? The fact you say that says you are all mouth.


See ya.

It looks to me that the 405 can no longer claim to have the fastest cars in the nation. That is unless they convince Kye Kelley to move.

Its a show about street racers, not grunge racers. Thank God for that.

I like the show myself and at the end of the day its still a TV show. I think it would be hard to find a balance of staying on point about the race side and the TV side.

I think if one was to load up there car and go see them it might be more of a reality check then ever expected, they have some nice fast cars and look to be good drivers as well.

As a "group" sure they can. Be hard pressed to find another group of cars that fast, that close together........Now overall fastest........that's a tough claim, as I have found there is generally ALWAYS somebody, somewhere that is faster on a given day. Just like the John Doe car has beaten Kye, but was beaten by a car that Chief has beaten and then Kye is running away from Chief. EVERYBODY gets beat at sometime or another.

As far as Chief and Kye........Dave beat Kye before in the truck and Chief beat the truck before. The first Kye race was really close, the second Chief knocked the tires off and this last one, to me the car just looked slow. Kye on the other hand has made 3 VERY clean hits against Chief.

What the show HAS done, is pushed OTHER racers to get faster and come out to try and shut them up. Notice the cars they are bringing out now to try them with, are MUCH more serious rides. The Shocker, John Doe, Petey and the AV Boys cars are all VERY light, while all the 405 cars remain very heavy relatively. They are going to have to drop some weight to stay on top, as other guys with light stuff keep showing up.

Dave's new Chevy II should be light, but the rest are pretty darn heavy............because they all DID originally start out as street cars, but now they are having to race against purpose built race cars.

I saw Chief's car up close and personal when it was in Travis Quillens shop getting swapped over to alky. The thing is a tank and far from a gutted car. Still has all the stock dash, cowl, firewall, front end and suspension, roof supports and all that type stuff. Lots of uneeded weight. Kye Kellys car on the other hand is a tin can on a full tube, strut chassis, with a big motor. Supposedly the John Doe car is an ex Pro-Stocker, which means it's a panel car........LIGHT

1.

Like I've said before, I like the show but I've heard Big Chief say several times he has the fastest (street raced) car in the country. There are at least three times he hasn't. At some point just about every car that has appeared on the show was a street car. If they don't build them light it's on them.

I really like the show a lot. To me it looks like Murder Nova and maybe even Doc on a really clean pass both might be faster than Big Chief right now. I don't think the guy that raced Boosted jumped the turbo cars are rocking back and forth constantly at the start and nobody complains about that. It doesn't appear Chiefs car is even close to beating Kye's car without a lot of changes I think after getting beat 3 times in a row I would stop saying I had the fastest street car in the nation and last time im sure Chief got to test quit a bit on that local surface and still got beat pretty bad but I love the show and they all seem like a bunch of pretty good guys.

I doubt if we will hear Chief say he's the fastest after this season. Kye Kelly humbled him.

There's a vid up on the Bullet that clearly shows Boosted's car rocking at the same time.

Perhaps it's because we can't talk about those things that make noise on here....
so you have to use innuendo.
why are people from the northeast so dense? (see how that works?)
And it's not an idle threat. You fail to pay around here, you WILL be shot.

I enjoy the show and cars enough to wish they had "THE" list, a small tire list, and heck... even an N/A list would be cool!

Purpose built cars like Daves will become the norm.Monte will agree.Look at the cars on Dragweek.LOL

You boys race different than anyone I have ever heard of. When a drag race starts (whether by a light or an arm drop) and one racer just sets there.......there was still a race. Personally, I have never heard that just sitting at the line when the race starts means that there is no race. Whether on the street or on the track.

There are no Mulligans in drag racing.

He made the decision way too quick for me, that's all I'm saying. I want someone a little less confident, maybe someone that can by swayed by the video, or a bunch of guys yelling at him.

If you want to take a swing at me Monte, I can oblige you at DW...but only after I get the girl's bottles filled.

Discovery is missing a great opportunity for a show to follow SO - barney badass street racers pretending they're MMA fighters. There'd probably be too many Mexican standoffs to work though.

I just watched the Episode from last week. IMO they used some creative editing to make it look good to me. I still say the NY guy won, he killed the lite plain and simple.

don't know how you seen that when it was clear the front tire was rolling before the light. had it be a tree it would have been a red light. no doubt he would have won but rules are rules.

I agree with the above, if you watch the slow motion version on Youtube, you clearly see the light, a short pause, then him launching, so it shows that it wasn't even a case of him guessing the light much less leaving early.

you have to make the call quick

i am pretty sure if the tapes showed him not leaving early he would not have paid

I like how Chucky was flying the bird as he was driving away from Monza lmao
This is a little Chucky vid. He races Kye in it.



https://youtu.be/kwVBR0yZLiY

I'm

First you have two #6's . Second I don't Super Class race for the fans or autographs. Unless you have done it you really have no idea how much fun it is.😉

Quiktree don't know what to tell you..Apparently you did not look at the youtube video close did you? It is a TV show, not life or death. Just call it as I see it from the NON TV camera point of view.

Oh yeah just for your future reference. If the tire is NOT moving by the time your light is green you are DEAD LATE, PERIOD. Would think someone who races would know better than that. We have what's called ROLLOUT. If you do not understand how the timing system works then maybe pay attention next time you are at the track. If you are not moving when it is green on a tree you are late and will be on the trailer...

Well I guess as a Super Class racer I have better sell off the Top Sportsman car here real quick. As apparently the super classes are no sort of stepping stone at all. I think some have no clue on some of the stuff they talk about.

Plenty of Super Classes racers move up, happens all the time. Just FYI Shawn Langdon, Jack Beckman, Force girls, Alexis Dejoria, Erica Enders, Dave Connely, Greg Stanfield, all came from the Super Classes and that is just off the top of my head. Most Pro Stock guys come up from lower classes as well. Not everyone racing a Professional car was given a blank check with no experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PfT3cDkEY

you can't be serious

Sorry if the truth stings a little.

Opinions are like azzholes...everybody has one....Rule #1 in street racing..Nuteral(sp) guy holds the money and the same for the starter...that was a [censored] call from the home team....and thats my opinion even if the great monte smith doesn't agree...like i care....that was a home town call

If you stage light, there is a few inches of roll out there to be had. Why do you think Super Stock and Pro Stock guys stage so light..
Yep.. To get a rolling start without red lighting..



Chris..

I agree, a neutral party always holds the money and the starter needs to be neutral also, specially if you want to get PAID...LOL

The Petey small block / Boosted race should have been rerun IMO but that's between them... I don't think Boosted had anything for him...

How does rollout come into effect where there are no stage beams and you are leaving on a single light flash. Last time I checked, there is no "timing system" in a street race

monte why do they come all them miles to race one time?? why don't they race 2 times if there was a problem ??

The whole deal is quite silly.. You know the beams were designed to tell whether or not a car left early.
The video says it all. He did NOT leave early IMO by my eyes and if it is that hard to tell on video, then Dave could not have seen it either.

The real bottom line is Boosted got whooped, He knows it, and broke anyway. He should have paid.

Monza also got beat, but now boundaries matter by a half inch.

He should have paid also.. No matter, it's their game, but THEY KNOW they got beat 3 out of 5.


It would have shown a lot more about "The 405" if those guys would have manned up and admitted they got beat.



Chris..

Daddy dave just crashed his new car

ok then how does that work with an instant green? thats petty much what flash light racing is. you move before the light you lost plain and simple.

really? you just proved you know nothing about street racing thats he truth. refer to my last post

(ok then how does that work with an instant green? thats petty much what flash light racing is. you move before the light you lost plain and simple.)

Monte its pretty obvious some of these guys know nothing about street racing.

where would you find this neutral person?

that sucks

https://www.facebook.com/john.denniston.3/videos/10204323992930580/

OKAY Tony.. First of all I don't even agree that Pete moved.

But besides all of that, I lived, breathed, ate and slept street racing in L.A. as a youngster until I was smart enough to stop.

I guarantee you, that In L.A. Street Racing, In Detroit and In New York, Petey and Chucky would have been paid. Seems, only in OKC they don't.

No doubt in my mind.

So we can agree to disagree.


Chris..

no problem

For those of us that don't do Facebook.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VKq_FXWEXSE

I would speculate I have WAY more time street racing than you do, I used to put food on the table street racing. Street raced from the late 80's til 2008 all over the west and Midwest, finally stopped when it became a felony CA and they confiscated and crushed your car if caught. But that is just a guess. Can tell you we never bothered racing for a few hundred bucks either, to much risk for to little return there.

I am pretty sure my point about moving before the green was strictly aimed at racing at the track but maybe I was not clear, seemed like I was but maybe not. I also pointed out that IMO the car on SO CEARLY did not move before the light came on IMO. But maybe that was not clear to you either.

I also agree the money holder and starter should both be neutral parties. Always were when we street raced, then again we never made a spectacle of ourselves either as that draws unwanted attention.

one should not speculate, I did my share of street racing. why would you bring up track racing when we are talking street? you have your right to your opinion..

For Daddy Dave, a quick and speedy recovery

https://youtu.be/c19LqOlBA7M

More on Daddy Dave at Amarillo NO-PREP RACE!

Oh man, that blows. Hope he's OK. Beautiful brand new car, too, damn...

belt tab broke off rear bar, seat was loose, NoS bottle went flying... helmet cracked. He's lucky to be alive..... I've always liked the clean look of the belt tabs, but perhaps my wrap around belt set up isn't too bad. Does have me thinking about my seat mounting though....

The pressure on your body it would take to break the seat belt tab and seat mount has to be big. He is lucky to be alive. Sucks about the car, but it can be replaced.

Jeff

I put a nice video up on YB saying outlaws screwed petey what do you think ? 300+ replies and like 4 of those said pete jumped.
296 to 4 majority wins except on tv.

he paid up, case closed.opinions are worthless

I really hope he makes a speedy recovery. Honestly though was ANYTHING in that thing bolted down? I wouldnt want a bucket of bolts like that next to me in a race, I hope ALL them boys learn from this, I can see a seat breaking but not breaking away from the f&****g car, and that seat belt tab AND the nitrous bottle projectile was unacceptable.

In a roll like that anything is possible. It's hard to build a car and expect every last possible situation on where and how to brace stuff, for every last thing. The cage did its job. Dave survived, and he was contained in the car.

WTF ever dude...

So, do you REALLY think if I (or anyone else) paying money for a National event wants to see ANY super class racing you are nuking futs. You might think it's all that to you (I have done it and was bored to tears by it) but from a spectator point it's stupid.

Let me say it again, HEADS UP "SUPER" RACING SHOULD BE GONE FROM NATIONAL EVENTS TODAY.

End of story.


And if you really want me to I'll see if I can edit the second number 6.

The good news is after all I posted only 2 guys whined about what I said.

Maybe there's hope to save National events, but I doubt it.


As a last thought...if you went to a Professional MX race (as just one example) would you want to see a bunch of amature crap, that was handicapped to run only lap times that are 2 minutes, if you run slower you lose, if you run faster you lose, if tow riders go too fast the one who went less too fast wins?


That is what I call retarded.

Can you post pictures of the chassis work you have done?

what did you say?

If that changes any facts, here you go

This doesnt change the fact that although Dave cage didnt collapse, it isnt still "all good". Am I the only one that saw the N2O bottle come out the driverside window? That is on top of the seat breaking away from the car AND the frickin seatbelt tab snapping off the cage man! I would feel safer hopping in a 55 gallon drum and floating off Niagara than riding in a bucket of bolts like that Nova, is this really an argument?

what the heck is that

Road Race street car stuff, some one wanted a pic of any chassis work ive done, I have done this. Im no chassis builder but I know my driver seat and seatbelts are gonna stay intact no matter what.

What style seat and what have you done to absolutely insure that it will stay in place?

If my seat comes out, it will take the floorpan and half the trans tunnel with it. I have Chinese road racing seats, and this video has me
re-thinking I need high quality replacements. Dave is lucky with the conditions inside that car he was put under. Maybe he did it all himself but damn having a wreck like that is a bad deal in any condition but being flung around inside the car with that much "cage" in it is what will kill a guy.

Daddy Dave wrecked his new Nova and is in the hospital. Irony... he did this at the race track in TX.

Ok I'll start by saying the #6 thing was a joke. And I will say again the super classes are for the "educated" fans and if you don't enjoy them you are free to go take a dump when they come out. Also your use of the term "retarded" pretty much sums up where your comments are coming from. Call me PC if you want.

You don't know what you are talking about. Just because you have welded up a few bars in some cars, don't mean squat. That was a VERY violent barrel roll. Things break loose in those instances. Happens all the time. The cage held up, THAT is what counts. Nitrous bottle mounts are NOT built like a tank. They are generally light and minimal. I have seen bottles come out of Pro-Nitrous cars, built by Bickel, Haas and others. Also seats in most of these cars are held in with Dzus fasteners, because you want the belts to hold the seat and driver in place. Guess you wouldn't ride in one of those "bucket of bolts" either. Unfortunate situation and has me looking at "wrap around" belts for our car, as pulling a single tab out of a piece of chromoly can happen in a serious crash......as seen here.

Ok what would you call slowing down cars in a contest of speed, as in a DRAG RACE?

You aren't getting new fans because of super class racing, and the sport needs more fans right?

Reterded is the correct word. Look it up to see the meaning.

Eric
Don't worry about it. The reason no-one complained about Mad's Super Class post is that he has zero credibility on such matters so we skip over it. Jegs, Dave Conolly, Erica, TJ Jr. and a long list of other prominent racers have all ran the super classes. How popular would Golf be if it were simply a long drive competition? Two golfers step to the tee, and the one to hit the ball the farthest moves to the next round. Yep, hardly think that would have lasted very long!

72 Swinger,
Grow up! It was a bad crash, centrifugal forces encountered in a barrel roll are some of the worst that can happen to any car. I've always been nervous about bottles in the passenger's compartment, and mine are always in the trunk, even though it is a pain to mess with them back there.

I've had two buddies in high speed top end crashes in which the car exited the track and got tore up flipping through the dirt. Both broke stuff in places you would think was not possible, but both walked away, and that's what matters.

So what is your grand plan to fix drag racing? I didn't say kill all stupid (I mean super) class racing did I? No. I said stop it at National events.

Comprehension issues?

You are the one who lacks comprehension, or more clearly, perspective. My protégé just won SST today at the National Event in Sonoma. His family and friends who went to the Divisional the week before, vacationed in San Fran, then hung out at the Nats numbered around fifteen. Add that up, along with every car that entered both the divisional and the Nats, and figure up the economic impact those racers had on that week of racing versus a few hardcore fans that are put off by throttle stops. Money talks, crybabies walk.

NHRA can send down a set of Super class cars every minute, that means 100-120 cars in an hour...that's not much track time for the money they put in the coffers, and all the "Real Fans" are supposed to be at the concession stand, and Nitro Mall at that time anyway.

National events are the carrot that drives participation on the divisional level, but I don't expect you to see the big picture, since you can't even get out of your seat at the 60ft clocks, walk 940 feet down the bleachers, and see where the real racing takes place...

Dont care what anyone thinks of my car bulding ability or lack threrof, yeah Monte it was violent, no excuse for the Trifecta of "FAIL" in that crash IMO. Am I being overly critical? To fu#$n BAD.

thinking if one was to stick with the "tab" type mounting system that maybe making it a single piece of steel wrapped around the rear cross bar and welded in place might be the ticket. Only thing about the belts wrapped around the bar is that they do have the capability to move side to side. I have a "hoop" welded on my cage to limit this movement, but it can still happen to a degree. What I want to improve upon is how my Jaz seat is mounted. I just can't see that those four 5/16 mounting points would do a whole lot of good.

For all intents and purposes, how the seat is "mounted" is a non issue, because you will NEVER mount the seat well enough to maintain a driver in the event of a violent crash. It's simple physics. The seat carries all the drivers weight, plus it is a lever. It will NEVER stand on it's own mounting, so no need to try. What you shoot for is to have the belts mounted properly to anchor the seat in the car and stay where it should. As I said before, the seat in our car is carbon fiber, mounted on some small chromoly tubing and is attached to that tubing with Dzus fasteners. Pop 6 fasteners loose and the seat is out. But in the event of a crash, the belts should hold the seat in.

So how your Jaz seat is mounted is fine, as far as the mount, but what you MAY want to consider is some small tubing BEHIND the seat that welds to the crossbar and hugs the shape of the seat down to the floor or bar under seat. A "cradle" that supports the seat and helps keep it in place in the result of a crash.

Swinger..........parts break off cars during a crash. The picture above shows a Camaro minus the whole rear. CUP cars have tethers on parts to keep them from going in the stands. Top Fuel cars break in half. You CAN'T build a crash proof car that nothing breaks off. What DOES matter is if the drivers compartment stays intact. Dave's did. So regardless of what your expert opinion may be, that passes as a well built car. To survive numerous barrel rolls, the car essentially intact, cage not collapsed on the driver and no tubing ripped out.

I can pretty much gurantee the bottle brackets I build would not stay in our car in a crash that violent.............Not many if any will.

Adding a 5th point and using the roll bar cross post in the back really help stiffen a seat up.

If super class racing is soooooooo good, why do a televised National event with that as the only show? Because exactly 89 idiots would watch it. Which is barely less that who is watching National event broadcasts now.

Your myopic, narrow mind will never comprehend that a VAST MAJORITY of spectators (and TV viewers) could give a tinkers damn about throttle stop racing.


Sorry about your butt hurt but time to come to the real world. If losing hood scoops and EFI are the future, then surely the throttle stop classes should be DUMPED from NATIONAL EVENTS. If you need "filler" (which is all that crap is, and it's piss poor filler to boot), use Top Sportsman or some form of heads up or non-throttle stop drag racing.

In reality, drag racing died with the throttle stop. I could say more about that, but the butt hurt would only grow.

The funny thing is I said get rid of PSM too and no one is crying over that?

BTW, how do you know where or how I watch racing? You assumptions make your ignorance the more profound, all because I don't agree with you.

Get real.

I always thought it was mandatory to have the seat anchored to the cross bar.

And some opinions are worth far less than other...Pa dump bump..

Not even gonna touch the comment of those drivers not moving up, it just shows your lack of understanding. If you understood the economics of things you may have a different opinion on your narrow minded outlook on things. Loose those horrible .90 classes and really watch the future of drag racing die. The are the engine that drive the economic model. Thankfully the NHRA understands that. All I can say is feel free to go check out the pits when they run.

BTW when was the last time you even attended a National event? How many in a year? What day do you typically go, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Have you EVER taken someone who is new to the sport or expose them to any other type of drag race event to help grow the sport? Just curious if you do anything to educate or expose more people to the sport, as many of us do. Or would you rather spend your time bashing the largest segment of racers who attend and support National Events.

National events should be heads up racing. If it's an index race leave it at the local level.

I want to see pro mods, outlaw 10.5, pro street and fuel altereds. Throw in some outlaw 8.5, and a factory experimental class and I might buy a circus ticket again.

Although I will admit it's fun to watch the guys in Top Dragster drive the stripe.

I've never understood throttle stop classes. Why take a car that can run 7.50 and put it on a stop to run 8.90 or 9.90?

I bracket race and understand it's not a spectator sport for the most part. I'll go and watch brackets when my car is not running (now), but no way I'd walk across the street to watch a throttle stop race. Nothing personal against anyone who does it or likes it. It's just not my bag.

Dave walking away is what matters at the end of the day. I will back off on my criticism of his car and apologize for the bucket of bolts comment, that was out of line.

Most will have to admit that Super class racing did NOT start out as STOP racing. Years ago, with the cost of super stock, comp and other class climbing rapidly, that left LOTS of cars in the 8.90-10.90 range with no good place to race and the SUPER classes were created. Back then the cars for the most part ran all out on these preset indexes and the racing was more exciting because they left together and were racing what looked like heads-up. Fans could more relate to it, although the "breakout" seemed a little foreign.

Me personally, I have ZERO problem with the index classes or SUPER racing in general, but don't care at all to watch car after car be "on the stop" for half the track. So how about a 6.50 class, or a 7.00 class. I just think the performance on the current cars has way outgrown the indexes. I still think it's very viable class, I just think most would like it way better if the cars "appeared" to be racing each other.

I'd answer this if your opinion mattered to me.

I gave my opinion and didn't "bash" anyone. What I said was KILL PSM and stop "super" throttle sttop racing at National events.

Why are you not sniveling about PSB? You have no idea what I have done to promote the sport, who I have taken or how I have been/am involved.

If you think throttle stop racing is good for the sport, as a tool to make it grow, YOU are the problem.


As for drivers moving up...where else would they come frome? Modified eliminator was killed decades ago and Comp was kept around (lots of politics there) and just because Jeg, Connelly and others like throttle stop racing, what does that have to do with growing the sport, from a TV and spectator point of view? Not a damn thing. That's why Street Outlaws constantly and consistently has better rattings than NHRA crap broadcasts, with crap coverage of anything but fuel cars, the Force family and a smattering of PS with PSM slopped in. So if you want NEW viewers (and most likely new participants) YOUR way of thinking has got to go.


PA DUMPITY DUMP DUMP.

What an arrogant self absorbed douche.

So much for this thread being about "Street Outlaws"................

How's Dave doing?

Daddy Dave

Take me off your xmas card list.

Aren't you the tuff guy that was getting out his "noise maker" to fix everything?

Madscientist,,,, You have way to much time on your hands.Time to move on Mr....

Someone posted that we are discussing Street Outlaws more than NHRA.

Maybe we should have a throttle stop thread.

Just curious what you race Madscientist?

Does it matter? I can't have an opinion if I don't race a certain class?

Thanks for the tip

The man behind the curtain. Somebody has to know this jokester

...And finally a salient point!
When Super Gas came into being at the 9.90 number, those were plenty fast door cars. The Et targets have remained frozen in time while the rest of the performance world has moved forward. They need to drop the indexs down to better represent what the majority of cars in the classes are capable of.

No way you are going to get those 8.5 and 10.5 racers to show up at a National and pay 340$ entry to race for a 1500$ win. Let alone getting a pair of them down the track every minute!

You can have any opinion you want. Just curious.

I just find it funny that 40 years later people are still whining about what happened to Modified, but at the same time want to eliminate all the classes they don't like now.

Glad Dave is going to be alright. My only concern was the belt tab breaking off. From what I could see in the vid I watched, it looked like the weld was none too good.

Even good welds can break, if there's enough force applied in the right direction. If not the weld itself, then the metal immediately surrounding the weld.

I'm looking at that picture of him in that hospital bed thinking, "Damn, he looks like hell!" Then I look at the remains of the car, and I guess it's all relative.

Never raced in my life.

Just a fan.

There you go, happy now?

Im gonna take steps in the future to kind've double up on everything relating to driver "containment". You never know what a car might go up against when things go bad.

"Street Outlaws" star Daddy Dave was thumbs up during his hospital stay ... even though he can't remember why he ended up there.
Dave's wife Cassi tells us Dave is healing up pretty well after the accident ... and was released from the hospital early Monday. He'll go back home to Oklahoma to recover.
We're told he's been having problems with his short-term memory after suffering a concussion from the horrific crash. He's been told numerous times what happened, but he keeps forgetting.
As we reported, the accident occurred Saturday.
Dave's lucky ... and his family keeps reminding him of that.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/03/street-outlaws-daddy-dave-released-hospital-crash/#ixzz3hoDTpnFs

Probably a good thing he doesn't remember the crash but the concussion is never good.

On a side note, was anyone else disappointed they didn't follow through with the $5,000 buy in, $50,000 pay out plan? Seems like they really strayed from what they had been talking about since day one.

It's TELEVISION why would ANYONE be surprised by ANYTHING that happens there. Ya know a synonym for Television is boobtube..Just sayin

Yeah, seemed like a little "Bait and Switch" trickery going on there to get the guys to tow in from far away. But, who knows how it really went down, and what ended up on the cutting room floor.

As my Dad always tells me, "Never let facts stand in the way of a good story".

Another angle of the wreck..The car in the other lane ended up in the other lane as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c19LqOlBA7M

Well from being a super stock racer for 40yrs a can tell you if you are not rolling when the green flashes you are done. Like Al says most of the pro drivers started in the sportsman ranks, Jason Line ran stock for years, Erica Enders started in a Jr dragster. As far as NHRA changing to qualifying and dial-in is because most sportsman racers can not afford to keep up with the deep pockets of some teams and would be forced to bracket race or park thier cars. This is thier attempt to keep the "little guy" racers competitive in stock/super stock and the creation of the .90 classes. Sorry, rant over😁 Poppaj

I cannot be right Quicktree said so

for my madscientist, well don't know what to say. But a few tidbits.

First off the opinion comment was not aimed at you. Someone else took it upon themselves to state some opinions don't matter to him which is fine and nothing new here. He knows who he is and if you read the previous posts so would you.

We have some mutal acquaintances and they tell me you are not a bad guy. Which I am sure is true. I have learned over the years on here however when people are different in person than the persona here that they do themselves a disservice. Maybe some introspection could be in order, maube not. I did learn however from your reply to me and subsequent replies that it is very easy to push your buttons apparently. Just food for thought.

You can have any opinion you like. Matters not to me. I was stating my opinion on what you posted. You stated with few exceptions no one from .90 stuff moves up, I pointed out a few names off the cuff and you got mad. Whatever. In my opinion I think those classes will not be going anywhere in the near future. Unless the economic model for the NHRA changes we are the wheels that make the bus go. I don't think anyone is under any impression that we ARE the SHOW. However most of us understand our role in the bigger picture. Like it or not it is the way it has been and will likely remain for the foreseeable future. The NHRA has MANY faults and makes MANY poor decisions there is no news there.

all you have to do is watch all of his answers and see what he does ----- he is a follower and that is all. He really has no answers of his own so stop

do you know what you can follow?

your opinion is just like everyone else, no more no less.

Come on Al, wasn`t I as sweet in person as I "appeared" on here......

Yes. But Chiefs explanation was very believable.

Dennis

exactly people see what they want to see. Al has had a hard on for this show from the beginning as others have. that's ok we don't care, best show on tv about drag racing in a long time. real guys doing their thing despite the nay sayers. I see a lot of jealousy

Jealousy....Now that there is funny

You don't "push" my buttons, nor does anyone else.

The fact of the matter is just what I said. Drag racing needs TELEVISION exposure. I can tell you from very limited conversations I have with locals that street racing is picking up around here and is getting back to numbers like they had in the 80's and early 90's. Is that because they went to a National and watched throttle stop classes. I stopped going to my local National because the track is a cesspool (and after at least 3 decades and counting that I know of) they have done little to nothing to fix it, and probably never will, and I stopped encouraging new people to go, because by the time we drove to said cesspool, paid through the nose, parked in bumpuckt Egypt, finally got to the crap stands, over paid for food and beverages (I guess we could have kept food in the car but the HOUR walk one way would have burned up the day) watched a 1 lane, tire smoking pedal fest in fuel, which naturally caused several blowers to unbolt themselves and many rods to vacate the crankshaft and ventilate the block, causing the enivetable 3/4-1 hour clean up, after all that, we watched 8 pairs of Pro Stock, then the alcohol guys provided us with more oil down time, AND AFTER ALL THAT, ALL THAT CRAP, we got S/C, S/G and good old S/ST. WTF? How do you explain THAT to a newbie? Is that drag racing? If it is, I can tell you, from my experience, newbies don't want to see throttle stop racing, even more so after all that. In fact, a friend of mine who had never been to a drag race EVER, and his wife, summed the day up better than I ever could. They said: "I'd rather watch this on TV. The TV cuts out 90% of the crap, and my DVR does the rest for me".

That was when I realized something has to give.

Not surprisingly, I had not been to my local track since October 2007. I was there a couple of weeks ago. It was a (I want to say about 12-15 good old fashioned US Army type swear words here) disgrace. The (more swear words here) CAR SHOW drew more spectators and participants than the weekly drag race did. WTMFingH is going on here? That weekly program was the ENVY of EVERY track on the west cost during the 70's, 80's, and even the early 90's. After that, the big hitters got old, retired, died, just said piss on it (although some are still doing LODRS and a few Nationals with some big bracket races thrown in) and the people who came along to replace them are just not there. Part of that is a societal issue, but part of it is that throttle stop racing kills the concept of drag racing. My wife and I were in the stands watching the few fast cars that were there in the stands. Several of them still ran their T.S. for a bracket race. My wife was stunned (she is NOT a drag racer nor much of a fan, she is just there because I was) and I had to tell he he was working on his "tune up" for a big race. More than likely that was BS but it is what it is. She thought the T.S. deal was way more boring that watching two cars in a bracket race.

At any rate, this all comes down to why Street Outlaws KILLS NHRA on TV ratings. Most non-gear head people who didn't grow up in the sport think drag racing is about two cars lining up, and the fastest one gets the trophy and kisses the girl.

In 2015, that is mostly, not true. And so, unless you cut out the crap at Nationals, get some QUALITY TV coverage, and start encouraging our kids and grandkids that it is not criminal or a sin to work with your hands, that cars and motorsports are NOT killing the earth, then we will see more of the same, with a slow, grisly death of drag racing to follow.


BTW, where are all the "ricers" that were going to be the future of hot rodding I was hearing about in the 80's and 90's? Don't see them flocking to the track either.

Kill the SPORTSMAN kill the SPORT.

madscientist PLEASE don't take this wrong but the way I look at it
#1. your are NOT a racer so your opinion won't matter to many. Mine included.
#2 You don't enjoy watching the sport.
#3. You don't have anything good to say about the sport.
#4. You should consider buying a mustang and check out a few local car cruises like a lot of other non-racers do.

Thanks for the tips.

I will treasure them always, and do them faithfully.

pittsburgracer PLEASE don't take that the wrong way.

I have no problem with Mad's views or opinions, some of his points having validity. IMO more/better TV coverage is one of the many things the sport needs. Something needs to be done to generate non racer interest and I think SO has to a degree has done that. Look at the videos of grudge racing, the stands are packed, so are races like Holly springs big radial races. Maybe the NHRA needs to replace the .90 classes with the radial/small tire classes at national events? Personally I think it would put more butts in the seats and more TV viewers. I fully understand you can't do grudge/no prep races at a national event but local tracks could do it one night a month and make money.

These are the opinions of a lowly part/some time bracket racer, your mileage may vary.

I'm in the garage welding. I got hot and took a break and watch this episode of "MoPar Inlaws"

Yall keep it up, I'll be back
Back to welding

What you may gain in spectators you will lose in participants. No participants=no sponsors. Look at the entry numbers already for Indy. Do you think they could pull heads up cars like that, that will also pass the NHRA National event tech? Also will you expect those cars to run 1/4 or 1/8th mile?

LOL...

As I said before the lack of spectators has more to do with pricing than any other factor period. How many responding have been to a National. event in the last few years? The prices are RIDICULOUS, they have priced themselves out of their target market. ALOT of the reason the small tire and grudge stuff gets butts in the seats is pretty simple. Promotion and low entry prices. The racing is awesome for sure and fun to watch, although I suspect many attend hoping to see the wrong things. Not close racing but cars hitting things. I hear it all the time at the heads up stuff we attend from the fans. Tickets to most all heads up events are dirt cheap compared to NHRA stuff. Kinda like places like Firebird in Boise or Norwalk in Ohio. Those places promote very well, have low entry prices and pack the stands for bracket races...

Jacob there are some very nice heads up cars out there and yes they will pass tech. Why couldn't they run the 1/8? Look at a 1/4 mile time slip, the clocks are already there.

Al, I agree on the costs to attend a national event are outrageous. Does it really matter why people are in the seats? A lot of nascrap seats are filled with people waiting on the "big one", there is no difference in their money than the diehard fan who is there for "the race". Do you honestly believe that the seats are (mostly) full when the fuel cars run because the fans want to see a good clean race? I don't, they're there for the show. Because cars are loud and unpredictable, have spectacular explosions and crashes. Similar to a drag radial race?

I don't have the answers for sure, but like everyone else here I'm entitled to my opinion.

If you have not noticed NASCAR is suffering form the same issue. Priced themselves out of their target market. Look at the stands during a race. Heck Indy was almost empty when they were there, as has been most every race they have run this year. I don't care why they come, just stating that is part of the allure of heads up stuff. Carnage and mayhem, couple that with cheap tickets and good promotion and the stands are full.

Now run those very same cars at an NMCA race and they stands are nowhere near as full. The reason, they aligned with the NHRA a few years ago and called it NHRA Unleashed. Ticket prices are significantly higher at NMCA events. We run NMCA and while there are a few fans, it is not what it should be. Thay have also chased away their fair share of racers for various reasons, tech being a BIG one.

So, do you REALLY think if I (or anyone else) paying money for a National event wants to see ANY super class racing you are nuking futs. You might think it's all that to you (I have done it and was bored to tears by it) but from a spectator point it's stupid.


So which is it? You race or just critic?

Yes I've noticed nascar prices too, for years my cousins and I went to four to five races a year. Now we don't go at all. It's not because of the prices though, it's because it has became a spec, sanitary, cookie cutter driver (no) personality race series. The only way it could be more boring would be to go to a IROC format where the driver and crew show up on Friday and draw for a car, qualify on Saturday and race on Sunday.

Does it matter?

Evidently you think I can't have an opinion on womens issues because I am a man, or can't have an opinion on war because I'm not a combet vet.

The truth is it's none of your business what I do, or how I form my opinions.

You ain't my wife or mother (mom, are you on the interwebz screwing with me again???) so I don't answer to you.

Have a nice day.

sorry man, I forgot Big Daddy Al has it all

This is essentially what I am saying, except you did like how and some of what I said.


I'm assuming you have been around a while, so you know prices NEVER go down, EVER. Just the value of the federal reserve notes in your wallet gets less (which is a whole 'nother issue). So you have to give the spectators (and the TV audience you want) a product that has better content. So, killing PSM is one way to reduce costs and not hurt the show (motorcycle fanboys can now chime in and have their way with me). And use a less expensive class to fill it's place. If every pass was a good show, there would be no beeotching about prices. The BEST model to look at is NFL football. The game is (suppossed to be) about 3 hours long. It has plays that last 5-10 seconds, then you have about 25 seconds off and it starts again. Of course, you have TV time outs and crap like that, but the NFL fits broadcast TV to a "T" (see what I did there??)

You'll never get NHRA drag racing like NFL, but you can fix the content, and try to stop oil downs (rev limiters ain't it) and make it fit a TV package better But the dudes running the clown show known as NHRA are NOT drag racers. They are stuffed suits, filling their pockets off the back of a sham nonprofit deal. Until those twits are gone, you'll never fix it.

You're a special case my friend. I've noticed in more than one of your posts. I'm not being combative. Just curious as to what racing you enjoy since you have a dig for all of it.

I know AL has a Championship Wally.
And he's had some bad a$$ cars.

I know quicktree never posts vids or timeslips.

I'm wondering what madscienctist runs besides his ?

I know Eric is hard on parts lol

Back to work on my contraption.

No sarcasm here at all: I really hope he's got a good health insurance plan to cover this, plus the longer-term expenses that are going to come up during his recovery.

How do I have a "dig" for anything? Because I see something wrong and say it, that's a bad thing?

For the record, I don't really enjoy racing all that much anymore. So much money, all the crap, poor shows for the money and no one says a thing about it, and when you do, you get publically flogged.

Think about it for a minute and it may come to you, but I doubt it.

And you are being combative cuz I don't play your game and answer to you. Get over it.

You guys are forgetting one thing. The yuppies carried NASCAR thru some pretty lean years. It was the in thing to do while sipping wine and fancy drinks with umbrellas in them

not that it really matters when i first got the arrow


last year after a few adjustments it was running 5.70s @ 120 in the 1/8th can't find the dang video's sorry. now what?

here's you a dang video of my challenger at the Southern Nats a while back

[img]http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss238/Quicktree09/Challenger/th_SDC11213.mp4[/img]

That would make an awesome throttle stop car.

I have one ready to go on, not paying the dam extra money to go fast anymore. but I am having so much trouble with my knee's and back I may not get back in it.

For those of you that don't know, Mad Scientist is, and will always be, a mad scientist. He had a small block 65 (I Think) Baracuda that would power to weight ratio, eat a lot of stuff alive back in the 90's and perhaps even now. He tries a lot of other stuff people won't, so don't sell him short. He got smart and quit, and keeps doing head work for only certain people, including me, and has other businesses. He is opinionated, wound up, but a pretty good guy all in all. He also knows how to make power with less than most, so give him some credit. He's also been a fan for as long as I've known him and been around the sport that long as well. There are a lot of people here that think only their opinion matters, whether they know what they are talking about or just spewing BS. As against street racing as I am, I enjoy watching the show. It fills the TV time taken up by so much drivel. Peace out!

I watched the video too and I didn't know which car was supposed to have jumped, so I wasn't biased either way. If you concentrate on the light only coming on, and I watched it five times, that car did not move, wheels or car. Why didn't the TV guys show all the angles in slo-mo to us? They have to know there are a lot of savvy guys watching this show. In normal time it probably looked like a jump to the starter( he can't see the light anyway since its pointed away from him) but he didn't have to go thru those motions, he's the ring leader and will bias everybody's opinion. That stupid run back then turn on the light is all wrong, just stand perfectly still then turn the light on, why all the drama.

Oh, spending a bit too much time on your knees Toni??
Sounds like a fair amount of time bent over too
You made that too easy...

. Every head porter I know is kinda messed up in the head. Personally I think it's caused by cast iron dust and aluminum exposure

I had to look, I thought this was Eric. I was thinking dang Eric, everyone knows you race a lot!!! lmao!

truth is I feel I feel worse than that

Eric wishes his looks that good

Mad Scientist, I agree with most all you say, right now all non professional racers run for their own benefit, not to put on any show, and they have pride in there cars. I liked Super Gas when it first came about because the all ran close to the breake out, then came the big engines with the top end charge,ruined it then. Just make them run with in a certain mph, better racing then imo. NHRA definitely needs to change something. I will not go to another national event because the cost to enjoyment is way off like Al said. The best racing I see now is at a little track 10 miles from me . On Friday nite is test and tune and almost always the big hitters show up for grudge racing, money flashed all around, people stirred to a frenzy. Takes me back forty years. Good to have an opinion, hang in there.

And you acknowledge that you know how that feels? Can't say that I'm surprised

If it made you smile all is good.

you have to watch the show where they showed the clip of the car moving before the light. not the video. after they watched that he paid up because it was very clear the car moved before the light came on. which is one of the rules they all agreed on just like the black line was the center line.

Well who has that video to show on here, and one that's not (possibly) doctored by the TV show. Dude could have been paid off more than he had to pay up to the other guy, so he stays quiet, Then comes back for "rematch,show time". What angle where the TV cameras,how close, that's the big question. I'll watch the video again to see where the other cameras are

I'm certainly not questioning his knowledge. And I'm sure he's really a good guy.

Tony your car looks great!! I would love to race you and check it out sometime. Take the right lane so I can see it in the wide view mirror behind me

Tony what powers your Arrow?

I don't know about you guys but my Monday nights aren't the same when a new Street Outlaws show isn't on.

I had a great conversation w/Madscientist and it was a pleasure and FUN.......Smart dude and I think we`re related cos I too could care less what people here or anywhere think about me or what I do or don`t do or believe in.

so does yours, you know I was just kidding. don't talk no smack I'll have to finish my large cube SB and spank that hiny

a pretty basic SB stroker with indy heads. a cam change would make it dip into 5.50's range I think. if I finished my bigger SB I bet 5.30's would be possible. but I doubt I ever make any changes. seriously thinking about selling everything.

here we go with the it's a fake tv show

Pretty impressive Tony. Eric it would be embarrassing to get you a$$ handed to you by a small block .

Back on topic, I like the show more then for anything because of the street racing aspect. Yes scripted and controlled but Dave still got busted up and if were on the track it might of been different.

There are some nasty SBM out there for sure. Mine is a pretty mild combo in the 499. I'm actually thinking of selling the mill and going R5P7

Not sure what you mean, 'cuz DD's crash was on a track.

Not sure what part of the F'burg area you're in; are you talking about Sumerduck or Colonial Beach? I haven't been to either one in decades.

I was thinking back to when Dave and his truck ran off the side of the road on the curb and busted up the front of his truck, not his new ride.

Not much could of been different in his new ride, I should of clarified that.

Colonial Beach, no questions just run it.

For the other comment, what reality show is real, I have Info on one of them. I'll believe a phone camera any day over delayed TV coverage.

Having drag raced my entire life,we have seen a lot of changes in the sport,some good and some not so good.We have seen the the best of times and the worst of times in our sport.We respect everyone's thoughts and opinions and have a few of our own.To be able to share those thoughts and opinions on an open forum gives eveyone an opportunity to wade through the comments and decide what has substance and what is bowl shtz.One does not have to be a racer to have an opinion,they just have to have an interest in our sport.
Our thoughts as to the short comming and possible down fall of the sport is the greed we see from track and event owners and managers.They seem to want to pocket the profits and not reinvest in the sport.Many racers feel their class or type of racing is the utmost of importance,their incorrect for the sport to survive all types of classes,dragracing,fans and enthusast must find a reason for their interest.
Too much time is spent being arguing or debating personal remarks,we should all be trying to find and share solutions to save our sport.

Here's a trivia point for ya' - last time I was at Colonial Beach, it was still a 1/4 mile track and Jim Yates was bracket-racing a 4-speed BB Ford Maverick (way before his Pro Stock days).

Wow, we are both older than dirt. It was originally called "Longfield" I ran there in the late sixtys-seventies, then again nineties early 2000. I remember the fuel funny cars running there, Stardust, Custom Body, Malcum Durmam. Stands thirty feet off the track and when they went by everybody's hair would be blown straight back and your eyes burning from the salt&peper, fun times. Bill Carrns from Budds Creek ran it then I think. Pits different now but track is the same

Colonial Beach is fun, we were there last Friday night for Test and tune. I went back Sunday for the Nostalgia race, had a great time...

I must be getting OLD cause I remember them days too..lol
I remember the yellow Opel the Yates Bros. had also.

Colonial Beach, no questions just run it.

For the other comment, what reality show is real, I have Info on one of them. I'll believe a phone camera any day over delayed TV coverage. [/quote]
Here's a trivia point for ya' - last time I was at Colonial Beach, it was still a 1/4 mile track and Jim Yates was bracket-racing a 4-speed BB Ford Maverick (way before his Pro Stock days). [/quote]
Wow, we are both older than dirt. It was originally called "Longfield" I ran there in the late sixtys-seventies, then again nineties early 2000. I remember the fuel funny cars running there, Stardust, Custom Body, Malcum Durmam. Stands thirty feet off the track and when they went by everybody's hair would be blown straight back and your eyes burning from the salt&peper, fun times. Bill Carrns from Budds Creek ran it then I think. Pits different now but track is the same [/quote]

I think that was when Todd Mack ran the Beech , Budds Creek and Aquasco ,for a short time.
the good old days

That's not the case around here Bob. After the BIG bracket race boom, everybody around here got used to running for 5k purses all the time with low entry fees. Now it's not "worth" it for them to race for small money and they sure won't pay more entry fees and the bleachers are like a ghost town......so where do they expect the track to get the money to pay those big purses?.......Most all tracks around here have gone to strictly TnT with the occasional heads up races and MAYBE a bracket race once a month or less. It was that or close the gates

Here's a trivia point for ya' - last time I was at Colonial Beach, it was still a 1/4 mile track and Jim Yates was bracket-racing a 4-speed BB Ford Maverick (way before his Pro Stock days). [/quote]
Wow, we are both older than dirt. It was originally called "Longfield" I ran there in the late sixtys-seventies, then again nineties early 2000. I remember the fuel funny cars running there, Stardust, Custom Body, Malcum Durmam. Stands thirty feet off the track and when they went by everybody's hair would be blown straight back and your eyes burning from the salt&peper, fun times. Bill Carrns from Budds Creek ran it then I think. Pits different now but track is the same [/quote]

I think that was when Todd Mack ran the Beech , Budds Creek and Aquasco ,for a short time.
the good old days [/quote]
Yep, Brain fade again

I think the racers did it to themselves, putting 20-50 thousand dollars in a car(wannabe pro stockers) then justifying running for 500 to 1000 dollars to win. I remember how much fun we had with our cars that maybe had two grand in them. With slow cars the ride last longer, more time to enjoy the noise, smell the tire smoke and feel the rush. Fast ETs are just bragging rights.

I don't think that I have ever disagreed with you, Monte, but I saw some things that should not have happened in an 80 MPH barrel roll. If he was running through the lights at 240 then all bets are off but crashing after 1 second full throttle and having safety equipment fail like that would be unacceptable for me.

He got busted up at Amarillo Dragway, not on the street.

That harness attach bracket Dave had was totally bogus. That bracket weld, which IMO looked pretty bad, was pure tension in a head on wreck. It failed. Todd Bevis built my Demon with a 3/8" ID tube welded vertically through the center of the cross bar, that a 3/8 dia aircraft bolt which attaches the harness tab goes through. No way that will ever fail. The belt will cut itself in two at the tab first IMO. I like that way of attaching the shoulder straps over wrapping the belt around the cross bar.

That's how mine is as well. Right through the tube but mine is bigger than 3/8", more like 1/2" all grade 8 hardware. A tab for a harness is ridiculous.

Sounds like Brad's ominous forecast may be accurate:

"Dave had a minor setback yesterday and we had to make another trip to the hospital. He was evaluated again, another ct scan and more X-rays, and released. The symptoms he was having results back to the severe concussion. We did however find that he has a grade 3 ac separation in his shoulder, which explains all the pain he has had with it. Not sure how it was missed, but he will see the orthopedic surgeon on Monday. We are praying it will not require surgery. It was too soon to make the trip to see the car, he was not ready physically."