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That was alot of metal........

Posted By: RyanJ

That was alot of metal........ - 01/19/09 11:37 PM

From this........

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/19/09 11:37 PM

To this.....

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/19/09 11:38 PM

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/19/09 11:39 PM

Did'nt have time to weigh it before I bolted it on.... probably would'nt want to know how much I removed anyhow

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Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/19/09 11:41 PM

Hope you used a mill for the bulk of it... been there before
Posted By: mopardamo

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/19/09 11:42 PM

Hello,

Very nice!

I know you have flow numbers, so you will have to come clean soon. What is it destined to sit upon?

Damon
Posted By: Wv68charger

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/19/09 11:43 PM

hand filed i'm sure

J/K thats sick looking is it for your motor Ryan?
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/19/09 11:48 PM

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Hope you used a mill for the bulk of it... be there before





No, that was 100% by hand. Also it's port matched to a raised Port 245 INDY... I had many hours in the port match as well, moved some copious amounts of metal on this manifold.... I normally cloverleaf the 4500 conversions but this one is for 450 inches, so I needed the extra plenum volume & CSA at runner entrances so.... it went square flange. I've seen some ICH's done with square flange before, but this one basically goes straight down in off the flange, most round them in more to move less metal & keep size smaller. I've done alot of 4500 flange conversions, but never moved nearly this much raw material before. Hope it makes power....
Posted By: SB449VALIANT

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/19/09 11:52 PM

stop puting more work (hours) on that thing, ...LOL
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/19/09 11:53 PM

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Hope you used a mill for the bulk of it... be there before





No, that was 100% by hand. Also it's port matched to a raised Port 245 INDY... I had many hours in the port match as well, moved some copious amounts of metal on this manifold.... I normally cloverleaf the 4500 conversions but this one is for 450 inches, so I needed the extra plenum volume & CSA at runner entrances so.... it went square flange. I've seen some ICH's done with square flange before, but this one basically goes straight down in off the flange, most round them in more to move less metal & keep size smaller. I've done alot of 4500 flange conversions, but never moved nearly this much raw material before. Hope it makes power....




Thats a PILE of alum to do by hand plus thats a big
CI engine its going on... nice job
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/19/09 11:56 PM

The bad part is our new Bridgeport is about 3 feet behind where that pic was taken, but we don't have the phase converter wired up yet..... That's supposed to be getting worked on soon I was told.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 12:05 AM

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The bad part is our new Bridgeport is about 3 feet behind where that pic was taken, but we don't have the phase converter wired up yet..... That's supposed to be getting worked on soon I was told.




I just had my mill wired a couple of weeks back by
Rick Ross a member here. I have one of the very first
W-9 manifolds sitting in the shop... very ruff on
the plenum(VERY small due to ruff cast) that I will
be cutting on in a few days. I'm not sure if I want
to make it a 4150 or a 4500
Posted By: SB449VALIANT

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 12:13 AM

any pic of the intake port? where did you find the intake gaskets?
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 12:24 AM

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any pic of the intake port? where did you find the intake gaskets?




No pics of the runners. Too late now it's already bolted on. I modified a set of INDY gaskets... We should have fire in the hole tomorrow, I picked up the fuel this afternoon.... have to order 2 more drums as now I'm out.
Posted By: dart_73_br

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 12:53 AM


Nice job Ryan!
Posted By: BradH

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 01:03 AM

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Hope you used a mill for the bulk of it... be there before




No, that was 100% by hand.



Have you figured out if your hands can file for early Social Security benefits after growing old about three times as fast as the rest of your body?

Oh, and has the buzzing in your joints stopped, yet?
Posted By: 340RICK

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 01:36 AM

Nice work as always Ryan
Posted By: damnimcooltom

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 01:55 AM

I know the guys over at HRD do a TON of manifold work by hand. I've watched them and think I'd go insane if I tried to do it. The only stuff I've ever seen in their CNC are heads.
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 02:48 AM

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I know the guys over at HRD do a TON of manifold work by hand. I've watched them and think I'd go insane if I tried to do it. The only stuff I've ever seen in their CNC are heads.




Some places do CNC manifolds, one problem I have is we do so many different manifolds.... Doing a program for each one would be $ & time consuming. Also like on this job I want it done differently than I would do it if it was a 416 with W5 heads.... so I'd have to have multiple programs for same intakes... I just wish INDY would cast a 4500 SB manifold. He won't do it because it costs alot of $ to do a all new core box for it, we've already talked about it. But it just irritates me because 90% of people running INDY head/INDY intake drag combos are going to use a 4500 series carburetor & their damn manifold is a 4150...... I know their answer is "use our adapter" Well yeah that's a great cheap way to do it, but this manifold is already very tall... then you add a 2" adapter ontop of it.... & then factor in a Dominator is naturally a taller carb than a 4150..... you end up with a hood clearance nightmare, besides the fact they always make more power with a real 4500 flange than using the necked down 4150-4500 adapter.... so...

I know it's $ to do a new intake core but man I have bought I think 7 360-3 manifolds in January already, & I think every one will eventually have a 4500 ontop of it, if they offered a 4500 version I think all 7 would have been ordered in 4500 flange. I suppose if I do enough of them this year, We will just have to scrape up the $ & pay for a 4500 SB intake casting to be made. Russ told me if I ordered 20 at a time he'd do me a 4500 intake & maybe I should do it. We'll see how the economy goes this year......
Posted By: PUNK

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 03:24 AM

Im wondering when Edelbrock is gonna do the Super Victor in W2, so that it can be opened up for the 360-1 heads or just bolt to the -2s. Dominator would be nice too. Im thinking not anytime in this economy. Bummer, im currently using a Super Victor with Eddy heads and was forced to buy the indy for the Indy -1 heads that Brian @ IMM has now. The intake just doesnt look nearly as good as the Super Victor. I guess they work though.

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Posted By: rebel

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 06:12 AM

hmmm a question for you ryan. the runner dividers that run into the plenum, you sure you are going to get good fuel distribution like this? i say this because my Indy manifold was an early unit & it had a similar look to yours but i had major issues trying to read plugs. 1278 plugs were rich as & 3456 were lean. i took my manifold to a porter that was doing NASCAR heads & manifolds. he played with my manifold for a few weeks & when i got it back all those runner dividers were gone. plugs are real easy to read now & throttle response is unbelievably better & all that was done was removal of the dividers.
Posted By: CokeBottleKid

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 07:02 AM

Would've been better off starting with a sawzall .
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 02:02 PM

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hmmm a question for you ryan. the runner dividers that run into the plenum, you sure you are going to get good fuel distribution like this? i say this because my Indy manifold was an early unit & it had a similar look to yours but i had major issues trying to read plugs. 1278 plugs were rich as & 3456 were lean. i took my manifold to a porter that was doing NASCAR heads & manifolds. he played with my manifold for a few weeks & when i got it back all those runner dividers were gone. plugs are real easy to read now & throttle response is unbelievably better & all that was done was removal of the dividers.




There is a lot more to an intake manifold than most people
realize, including myself. These fuel distribution problems
are probably more common than most of us have the ability
or equipment to discern. I'd be intrested in before/after
pictures of your INDY manifold, just for a visual reference
to it's layout.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 02:19 PM

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hmmm a question for you ryan. the runner dividers that run into the plenum, you sure you are going to get good fuel distribution like this? i say this because my Indy manifold was an early unit & it had a similar look to yours but i had major issues trying to read plugs. 1278 plugs were rich as & 3456 were lean. i took my manifold to a porter that was doing NASCAR heads & manifolds. he played with my manifold for a few weeks & when i got it back all those runner dividers were gone. plugs are real easy to read now & throttle response is unbelievably better & all that was done was removal of the dividers.




There is a lot more to an intake manifold than most people
realize, including myself. These fuel distribution problems
are probably more common than most of us have the ability
or equipment to discern. I'd be intrested in before/after
pictures of your INDY manifold, just for a visual reference
to it's layout.




I use my EGT's to balance the intake, its a trial
and error process and alot of pulling the manifold
Posted By: nss guy

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 03:26 PM

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Would've been better off starting with a sawzall .



Would it have been easier to cut the intake in two, port it then weld it back together?

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Posted By: nss guy

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 03:27 PM

another

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Posted By: DavidDean

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 03:51 PM

WOW! thats a lot of work. Too bad aluminium doesnt pay much for recycled chips.I'm sure there were lots!
Posted By: SB449VALIANT

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/20/09 11:05 PM

any good news,or bad..... ? say something
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/21/09 01:16 AM

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any good news,or bad..... ? say something




OK... I did'nt touch it today because it turns out the dyno operator is leaving for Florida for 2 weeks next weekend so I gotta prep this other 436 Arrington motor to dyno as well now before he leaves so I spent the day thrashing to get it together... We're gonna try to do your motor with the 436 in back to back days... fun fun fun.
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/23/09 11:12 PM

Finished product... broke in & ready to dyno.

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/23/09 11:13 PM

179

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/23/09 11:14 PM

181

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/23/09 11:15 PM

182

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/23/09 11:15 PM

184

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/23/09 11:16 PM

185

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/23/09 11:17 PM

186

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/23/09 11:18 PM

X block oil inlet.... unusual location

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/23/09 11:19 PM

190

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/23/09 11:23 PM

Last pic you get until it's in your hands in Mexico.....

It sounds STRONG... we'll see on Thursday if it can live up to the billing of most powerfull NA INDY headed SB motor out there. If it's not the stoutest, it's gotta be damn close...

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Posted By: 340RICK

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/23/09 11:35 PM

sure is purty

I like the moroso valve covers
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/23/09 11:47 PM

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I like the moroso valve covers




They are by FAR the nicest covers on the market.... & the most $ other than Carbon Fiber. I would run them on everything if customer would pay for it. Frankly I wish I had a set on my motor, but I can't justify $400+ covers.
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/24/09 12:01 AM

Wow, a FRAM filter, really? Besides that it is a beautiful motor.
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/24/09 12:21 AM

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Wow, a FRAM filter, really? Besides that it is a beautiful motor.




It's an HP3 Race filter, not a piece of junk from Walmart....
Posted By: SB449VALIANT

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/24/09 12:32 AM

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I like the moroso valve covers




They are by FAR the nicest covers on the market.... & the most $ other than Carbon Fiber. I would run them on everything if customer would pay for it. Frankly I wish I had a set on my motor, but I can't justify $400+ covers.




more like $200.oo dlls plus shipping, from the guys at Moroso, on the Ebag..they went up from there...lucky i was there in first place..they told me they needed to compete with all the replica stuff that is out there...About the motor that will never had happend without you, i guess we all know that,also i don't think iam going to put that engine in my car any more, instead im going to put it in my closet..LOL I can't wait for dyno numbers
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: That was alot of metal........ - 01/24/09 12:39 AM

Today they are in the $390's for the unmodified version (no holes for breathers or baffles) + shipping from Connecticut.
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