Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project

Well, its been a long time coming but the day is finally here. I intended to do numerous videos to add to the site but as my fathers birthday drew near, it just made sense to go live with the campaign on his birthday. So here it is for all moparts viewers to see first.

I would ask that you approach this project with an open mind and further that you enjoy what you see. The website below details the cylinder head design and how you can contribute. I will also post the crowdfunding link as well. Please enjoy and if you decide to make a contribution, please spread the word! Thanks and welcome to Project Mo-Power!

Sincerely, Adriel Paradise


Project Link: https://a-paradise.squarespace.com/

Support Link: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/project-mo-power/x/9984051

Also, if anyone has any questions regarding the project, please feel free to email me directly at adrielparadise@yahoo.com or post those questions here thanks!


Attached photo shows 8 total configurations, 4 different valve layouts for the wedge style and 4 different valve layouts for the canted style.

Canted Configuration

Wedge Configuration

Whoa...

Now we are talking...

I wouldn't choose any of the valve layouts with 2 exhaust valves next to each other

Beautiful.

I hope you are looking at NASCAR head configurations, as well as Jon Kaase's 460 heads, for inspiration.
One could do worse than ape those designs.
Or for inline valves, the latest LS heads.

Evenly spaced intake and exhaust ports seem to be the most successful these days.

R.

I actually got a little advice from Jon on the port design. He looked at an early version of the port design for me. Can't thank Jon and the entire Comp Cams Engineering team(Billy, Cody, Brian, and many others) enough for making that happen. Working for those guys as an intern was the ultimate learning experience. The ultimate goal is to establish a solid foundation to build upon because everything at higher levels of horsepower are so combination specific. If I can do that, I feel like I have done my job.

So do you have an actual prototype built, or is it all CAD drawings? Do you really think $12k will get even one of the designs to the point where it can be produced?

Very nice,,, run with your ideas. I hope this stays a positive topic.

I think this means a prototype that can be put on a flowbench and tested. Production would still be a long way off.

Something to consider would be a single complete chamber 3D printed. Do your testing with that. Probably a hell of a lot less expensive than a complete billet head !

Your wedge configuration gets my vote if you can make it a 12 degree. Do it, don't let anyone try to dissuade you.

I like configuration two on the Wedge and the Canted

I donated, I don't even want to vote because I don't care.

I am happy to see someone doing something to move mopars forward. Instead of complaining about bore spacing you are doing something and that is admirable!

I hope the experience from this will lead you to bigger things...like say blocks.

I do think stanton hit the nail on the head though, I would try having a full cylinder section or even a full head 3D printed, maybe find some head porting wizards to play with the design a bit and see what it can really do.

I agree. That's how some of the bigger manufactures do it. Edlebrock does that with their new heads like the new hemi head they now make. Have you done any CFD analysis on any of the designs?

For my senior design project I designed and produced a one cylinder prototype of the cylinder head and what you see is something that has been refined beyond that. So we were able to do some initial testing done with that, which showed some promise. That is what led to this particular phase of the project.

Not trying to derail any new contributions to the Mopar cause, just want to make sure it's legit and not some pipe-dream or scam.

To answer the question of producing the head. Minus valvetrain, 12k gets you a set of bare cylinder head(ie cnc machining, valve guides, seats, etc). I went conservative with the goal to progress the project forward.

Also, please keep in mind that with this being a clean sheet project, I am sure there will be challenges to overcome but that is with any new project.

So you want people to pony up $12k for a pair of heads that they know nothing about? Just want to be clear here.

I totally understand where your coming from. With all of the scams going around these days, its wise to approach anything like this with caution. All I can say from my end is that I didn't waste my time designing these cylinder heads with the intention to scam or cheat anyone. My goal is to create a cylinder head platform for racers to build upon that has the potential to surpass what we currently have available. I ultimately want to progress the brand forward and I hope that this project will do that.

No he wants a bunch of small donations that could hopefully add up to enough money for a prototype set of heads. Usually in crowdfunding cases like this people get perks for being backers. Having a chance to buy the first set, cheaper then retail, etc etc.

So I'm misunderstanding this part?



If several people collectively donate $12k, who is "you" in this....who gets the cylinder head(s)?

Things like this need to be stated clearly...what each person gets in return for the donation, what gets accomplished for the X amount, what still needs to be done before actual working cylinder heads can be shipped out. Sorry if I see red flags...been through this song and dance before.

I definitely think that he could of conveyed that better, and did a better job on the perks vs just getting to vote for the choices.

I would say he is the one who gets the prototype, and like most it will probably end up ported, blown through the water jackets, bandsawed and be the basis for future heads.

Canted Configuration #2 gets my vote!

Nice job!

I seems pretty straightforward to me ...

He needs 12k for the prototype. He's taking contributions in various denominations and the perks associated with each level is spelled out. HOWEVER, 12k is the "goal" only to do the prototype. If someone wants to pony up 100k and they're the largest contributor, they get to name the heads and a few other perks along with that - like maybe shareholder equity !!!

Keep in mind somewhere along the line he's going to have to get into negotiations with rocker manufacturers, cam manufacturers and piston manufacturers. Since each will be limited production it goes without saying that none will be reasonably priced.

We need better blocks before better heads. Most any aftermarket head will be a me to make enough power to exceed the limits of a stock block.
What good are heads that can make say, 1,200hp, if the block can only hold 800??

Good to see someone runnin their mind & hands and just their mouth!! Insert bow bow bow

I didn't want to be the first with negative comments but I agree completely. Redesigning a head for a 50 year old block doesn't make a lot of sense to me - particularly when you consider what the whole upgrade is going to cost ... there isn't a single aftermarket piece that's going to work with any of these configurations. I imagine you'll be well over 10k by the time you buy pistons, heads, intake, valve covers and headers. And the, what's "Mopar" ... the block !!! When its all said and done I think you'd be able to build a more powerful hemi - Gen II or Gen III - for WAY less money.

But I applaud the initiative !!!

I don't think anyone that would buy these heads would consider putting them on a stock block but I could be wrong lol! They look to have a lot of potential and wouldn't have much trouble making more power than a Gen II Hemi. The only trouble would be exhaust pushrod clearance in the block with the Hemi 99 style head but you really would t know till you bolted them on.

Good Job

Quick update, made a little progress today in terms of funding and support with a few individuals offering there services and others who have made financial contributions to the project. I'm hopeful that the progress will continue. I have made some changes to both sites to clarify how funds raised will be used.

In gauging everyone's feedback it seems as though I have missed the mark with the perks I've offered in exchange for any contributions. I really thought it would've been an opportunity for people to let their voice be heard by giving their input. Definitely my mistake. So, I will let you guys decide on a new perk to add to the project in addition to what's available so I look forward to your input in that regard.
What do you think? Highest bid gets the final cylinder head assembly and trademark naming rights?

Also, I want to clarify that any contribution amount will be accepted. 25cents, $1, $5, or whatever. Any of those contributions give you an opportunity to get involved. Indiegogo kind of makes that confusing since it is formatted to show one value to receive the perk. That however is not the case. Please follow suit with the ranges that are posted on the website. Upon making a contribution, I will send an email to you to record your vote.

So far its a toss up between the Wedge Configuration #2 and the Canted Configuration #2.

Again, thanks everyone for the kind words and support, its very much appreciated!

Lastly, I want to make it very clear that I have no intentions of maximizing a profit margin with these heads. If these heads make it to market, I plan on offering them at the cost of making the part with little to no profit margin. At most maybe 1% of the total. I believe its much more important to try to make these cylinder heads as accessible as possible than worry about turning a profit. I know, I know, its not a smart business decision, I'm crazy, its naive, etc etc.

Adrielp - I absolutely applaud you!

I agree with Chuck, No one (in their right mind) would stick these on a stock block. There are a couple of choices for a good block to begin with, get some good heads on the market and the blocks will follow, additionally new design/new to the market blocks could incorporate any configuration improvements that would make the new design head more compatible. Lets keep the horse in front of the cart – lol.

Personally, I vote for the canted version for a little more versatility and potential going forward.

Well, then call me crazy, but I feel that a stock block, wedge head with maybe a BBC exhaust port setup would be great for a(soon to return)weekend racer like me. I would like to be able to get hold of a decent header kit like hedmans that I can assemble to work with a modified front end, on a reasonable budget. I don't really need the expense of Kook's, World, Lenco, etc. Just want to go a little faster and have fun without the cost of a Prostock.

I think this is killer & I applaud you for taking on this challenge!! As for donating, I look at this as a feel good opportunity donation, like donating to any random cause/charity/fund raiser. Donating 10-20-50 bucks shouldn't have any expectations of return.

I am a diehard mopar guy and although I can not afford to build a high end engine or car, I want nothing more than to see lots of mopars being competitive in any class they can run in. I will make a donation for the cause on monday when Im on a computer to look at each valve layout more closely.

And who knows, maybe some day I will have the money to build a high end car and because of my contribution now, I will be able to buy a clean sheet cylinder head that I always wish someone would make

Do these heads have a combustion chamber designed in this century?

If so and if the info isn't proprietary it would be nice to see the head from the combustion chamber side.

In any case it sounds like some outside the box thinking in both R+D and business plan.

Kevin

I donated but it never allowed me to vote??> might want to fix that issue, so my vote is canted valve configuration #2

I sure hope this works out for the younger crowd. Us old-timers have to make the best of what we have gathered up over the years. Good-luck and I really hope this takes off.

This just doesn't seem to make any sense at all. There are already plenty of heads that will make WAY more power than a stock block can handle, for a whole lot less money than these proposed heads will cost. So why would you buy an exotic head for a stock block.

Monte

Awesome project and that is a ton of work you have done in what looks like SolidWorks.

I would have no problem using a smaller runner version of these on a stock block in order to use a very mild cam/valvetrain low compression for cheap pump gas and STILL make big power. If big power is your game then available HP blocks are being produced soon as I understand it.

I don't see how design 2 will work without a custom cam core which drives associated costs up. I would choose design 1 even though the valve cover is not near as sexy as evenly spaced sparkplug holes.

Again config 1 in the wedge design is the most practical of the four.

I would change the exhaust pattern to Big Chev design and spacing so the really cheap bastards here (me) could adapt those header kits easily.

I say BRAVO! Why the heck not? J.Rob

Maybe I'm being too optimistic on price when he mentioned that there will me minimal profit made on these heads, that the object is to increase Mopar HP awareness.

Since no one else has mentioned it?
A drawing of the exterior of a new head design tells you this much about chamber burn characteristics, CR, valve sizes, plug placement, port volume, stem angles, cooling, and flow capacity: zero.

The website has pic's of intake ports, exhaust ports and chamber designs.

Where's the face palm smiley when you need it? Who da thunk to look there.

There's probably at least 50 HP in the 10+ deg less timing those chambers will need. Just speculating but it should help a stock block live longer too.

Kevin

I don't know about other shops but we have a hard time getting stock block guys to upgrade to 440-1's instead of using Edelbrocks. The way I see it these heads would be between $15000 to $18000 assembled with rockers and valve covers. Add another $3500 for the intake then you still need custom headers.

There is a small market for a head like this and it could be the answer for the T/S guys that don't want to spray it. I my self would pick the canted #4 and due the the similarities to the Hemi 99 style head, maybe even modify it a little like the Hemi 06 with the double canted valve angle.

They're pictures, not blueprints, not FEA, not cad/cam. They tell you nothing about how (or if) they work.

You don't want him giving away all of his trade secrets now, do you?

I don't think enough of you are looking at this for what it really is...

Well, what do you think? A real potential, a scam, an unrealistic dream?

Unrealistic dreams.

If the plan is to let someone else do all the work and you take a 1% royalty, yeah maybe. But if you do all the outsourcing of the manufacturing and then handle just the order fulfillment, it ain't gonna last. Just imagine the work that goes into getting a set made and assembled, ready to ship. And let's say a set costs 10k. You get
$100. for your effort! This business model alone should be enough to scare off investors !!

Common sense should dictate that whatever the margins of the suppliers are, they should be yours as well. The casting company makes 30 points, the machinist makes 30 points, the valvetrain supplier makes 30 points ... YOU should be making 30 points. Now, if that puts the price of the heads into the "unaffordable" zone then you quit right now.

In fact, if you'd do a full cost analysis and the results are favorable you'd have no problem getting financing. Right now its just a pipe dream and a bunch of suckers are buying into it.

A bunch of time has gone into these designs, I take my hat off to you!
I plan on doing something similar for small blocks, but I have many other things to do first.
Maybe you might find someone who will give up some of their time for machining a pair of prototypes? I'm on the other side of the world, so I'm not much help to you.
I don't imagine you are going to sell a bunch of these, but if a cashed up racer is prepared to work with you, you might get something going. If these heads get onto something engine wise and run some numbers, you'll get more interest I would imagine.

Best of luck!

Cheers

Neat topic...Anybody want to buy a bridge?

I'd say it's more appropriate to say right now it's an interesting concept where a number of people are supporting the OP's initiative, despite the obvious drawbacks to seeing such a project come to fruition.