Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads

Posted By: Bishop

Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/28/14 04:24 PM

I just seen Hughes flow # for the Edelbrock Victor heads any one using these CNC ported heads, looks like they out flow Indy -1 heads

Edelbrock Big Block Victor
(Monster (Max) Wedge Port Size)
Fully C.N.C. Ported
# HUG77949-S3 355cc int port vol
Flow tests below show results from our SAENZ 680 Flow Bench

Lift Stock Intake CFM CNC'd Intake CFM CFM Gained Stock Exhaust CFM CNC'd Exhaust CFM CFM Gained
.100 74.4 79 5
.200 137.0
164 30 99.4 121.0 21.6
.300 191.7 245 43.3 158.1 166.0 7.9
.350 220.1 270 47.9 180.8 193.5 12.7
.400 247.8 300 45.2 198.8 202.0 3.2
.450 273.9 328 43.1 215.3 230.2 14.9
.500 293.8 351 53.2 224.9 232.0 7.1
.550 309.5 366 45.5 230.9 240.3 9.4
.600 310.7 380 65.3 235.9 255.0 19.1
.650 311.0 391 73.0 239.0 260.8 21.8
.700 316.4 397 79.6 240.7 267.0 26.3
.750 318.6 397 60.4 241.9 270.5 28.6
.800 322.0 406 86 244.0 273.0 29.0

Posted By: max_maniac

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/28/14 04:36 PM

Brian those are some good numbers however -----

I don't race flow benches so the question I would ask is ---- anyone running these heads and what is the real world performance with these heads

as compared to??

Posted By: MoParFish

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/28/14 05:15 PM

I'd be curious to see what a set of Monster Victors would gain, ET wise, over my "out of the box" MW Victors

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=7886029 I'd buy some and swap 'em out just to see but, my wallet holds me back

Posted By: dvw

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/29/14 12:18 AM

Those numbers look better than my -1. Lets see how fast they go. Hopefully with an Indy crossram. I'll be interesting.
Doug

Posted By: sasquatch

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/29/14 03:00 AM

Those numbers are pretty close to mine. Properly done Victors will fall between the -1` and the 572-13.
Todd

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/29/14 03:40 AM

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Those numbers are pretty close to mine. Properly done Victors will fall between the -1` and the 572-13.
Todd

I`m leaning towards these myself..............

Posted By: 340KID

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/29/14 05:10 AM

Will be dynoing a set of Victor 440 max wedge heads on my sons 493 late next week, can't wait to see the numbers !

Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/29/14 05:18 AM

These flow numbers look like my Indy SR M.W. ports flowed

I had MCH CNC port two different sets of 440-1, both sets had the 2.250 intake valves. Those heads flowed about 30 CFM better than my SR did at the upper lifts on the same flow bench

I'm debating on having my Victor M.W. heads CNC ported this winter or buying a better set of rocker arms. I can't afford to do both, I will probally buy the T&Ds and wait on the porting until later

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/29/14 05:21 AM

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Will be dynoing a set of Victor 440 max wedge heads on my sons 493 late next week, can't wait to see the numbers !

Me too...................

Posted By: BradH

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/29/14 06:57 PM

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Will be dynoing a set of Victor 440 max wedge heads on my sons 493 late next week, can't wait to see the numbers !

What type of port work (if any) has been done to those heads? If ported, do you have any flow test results?

Posted By: deaks

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/29/14 09:30 PM

Looking at all the flow numbers on hughes site, the MW Victors really stand out. I would have thought they'd need at least 500 ci.
Mick

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/29/14 10:18 PM

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Looking at all the flow numbers on hughes site, the MW Victors really stand out. I would have thought they'd need at least 500 ci.
Mick

I think those heads on my shortblock would wake my car up and hope to be proving that in the near future.

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/29/14 10:46 PM

Those flow numbers are right on par with a set of CNC Gen III Apache heads.

Posted By: jake4cars

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/29/14 11:46 PM

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Will be dynoing a set of Victor 440 max wedge heads on my sons 493 late next week, can't wait to see the numbers !

What type of port work (if any) has been done to those heads? If ported, do you have any flow test results?

I did the port work on these heads and it pretty much only amounted to a clean up and fixing the port entry that Edelbrock for whatever reason doesn't finish.

I had Brian @IMM flow only one chamber, I just wanted to get a ball park as to where they stood, without optimizing the valve job or any other tricks, the intake flowed 368 @.700 and the Exhaust went either 228 or 238 I can't remember, Nick has the sheet.

Again, this wasn't anything more than a clean -up and the as delivered valve job.

Joey

Posted By: mshred

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 11/30/14 07:28 AM

Impressive numbers! What size of engine needs to be used to take full advantage of the airflow and the port size of these heads?

Posted By: 340KID

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 12/01/14 04:15 AM

Hey Joey,
The heads look awesome, motor is coming together nicely, can't wait to see what numbers this pulls.,
I will post full specs of build when I get them next week !

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Posted By: 340KID

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 12/01/14 04:31 AM

Shop did a race valve job and and some guide work I think they said, not sure if they flowed heads after that, will know this week, shop guys are also excited to see what these heads do !! They were very impressed with them, they also port matched the Super Victor intake to the heads... Dominator 1050 going on top..

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Posted By: gregsdart

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 12/01/14 04:32 AM

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Impressive numbers! What size of engine needs to be used to take full advantage of the airflow and the port size of these heads?

The 440-1 size ports will work well on motors from 440 to about 572 cubes. A 440 will have a very high torque peak, over 5600 rpm, and a 572 would peak torque somewhere around 4800 or less. My 528 seemed to be a good size and makes peak torque at 5,100, peak hp at 6900 and 7000 rpm.
Just my opinion, but I think the sweet spot for size is 528 to 540 cubes.

Posted By: jake4cars

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 12/01/14 06:25 PM

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Hey Joey,
The heads look awesome, motor is coming together nicely, can't wait to see what numbers this pulls.,
I will post full specs of build when I get them next week !

Nick,
Nice to see them going to use, now if you ever need the short block that went with it, LOL I still have the short block for sale!!

Joey

Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 12/01/14 07:04 PM

My 440-1 heads with the Indy CNC-325 ports and 2.18 intake valve flow way more on the ex than those Victors. Intake, not nearly as good.

Had Jim LaRoy fix the valve job and that is the reason for the before / after. Probably should have had him put in 2.25 valves.

lift............before..........after

.100..........69/61.........80/68
.200........144/123......158/134
.300........215/172......226/183
.400........274/217......277/229
.500........321/251......320/265
.600........346/280......349/290
.700........362/301......368/307
.800........372/317......372/327

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 12/01/14 07:19 PM

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My 440-1 heads with the Indy CNC-325 ports and 2.18 intake valve flow way more on the ex than those Victors. Intake, not nearly as good.

Had Jim Leroy fix the valve job and that is the reason for the before / after. Probably should have had him put in 2.25 valves.

lift............before..........after

.100..........69/61.........80/68
.200........144/123......158/134
.300........215/172......226/183
.400........274/217......277/229
.500........321/251......320/265
.600........346/280......349/290
.700........362/301......368/307
.800........372/317......372/327

If I had some heads like this I`d be flyin............

Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 12/01/14 07:28 PM

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My 440-1 heads with the Indy CNC-325 ports and 2.18 intake valve flow way more on the ex than those Victors. Intake, not nearly as good.

Had Jim Leroy fix the valve job and that is the reason for the before / after. Probably should have had him put in 2.25 valves.

lift............before..........after

.100..........69/61.........80/68
.200........144/123......158/134
.300........215/172......226/183
.400........274/217......277/229
.500........321/251......320/265
.600........346/280......349/290
.700........362/301......368/307
.800........372/317......372/327

If I had some heads like this I`d be flyin............

I saw 70 HP gain swapping my M.W. SR that flowed 340 @ .600 and .700 to my MCH CNC ported 440-1 (with the 2.250 int. valves)that flowed 370 CFM+ at the same lifts. This was with the same combustion chambers sizes, same short block, intake and carb. and no other changes other than the heads on the same dyno two weeks apart with very similar weather outside, maybe 300 ft D.A higher on the 440-1 heads

Heads are a big part of making power

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 12/01/14 09:45 PM

That`s a sweet gain and I figured my last porting, bigger intake valve and manifold work might be worth 25-30 or more based on my 3+ mph and nearly .02 in the 1/4 but I like those .600+ numbers for sure!

Hopefully after dialed in Thumper`s gonna be a test bed for the new top end then some of my carb builds as I`ve already done. Great post which gives me more HP hope.................

Posted By: viperblue72

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 12/02/14 04:14 AM

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That`s a sweet gain and I figured my last porting, bigger intake valve and manifold work might be worth 25-30 or more based on my 3+ mph and nearly .02 in the 1/4 but I like those .600+ numbers for sure! Hopefully after dialed in Thumper`s gonna be a test bed for the new top end then some of my carb builds as I`ve already done. Great post which gives me more HP hope.................

I hate to burst your bubble, but aren't you afraid you're already about at your limit before you run over your crankshaft?

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 12/02/14 04:48 AM

To me, both sets of heads here with flow numbers provided leave a bit to be desired. I think the exhaust percentage on the Victors is way too low and the same number is way too high on Airwoofers 440-1s.................but that's just me. Seems Airwoofers heads will be a little sluggish unless you spin the thing to the moon

Monte

Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 12/02/14 05:13 PM

Maybe right Monte as I haven't ran the 540 yet that those Indy heads are on. I think the motor will be about done in the low 7000's as it is. Jim tested the intakes with 2.25 valves just slapped in (no seat work) and picked up the flows below:

Just went and pulled one of my 2.25" test valves off the shelf and plunked it into one of your heads. Had to use one of those w/ special valve angles because your head isn't cut for the bigger valve. Did nothing but drop it in and test.

Lift...........before..........after

.100...........80............91 cfm
.200..........158..........177 cfm
.300..........227..........239 cfm
.400..........281..........292 cfm
.500..........329..........335 cfm
.600..........354..........354 cfm

That combo may actually be better for the Vortech blower instead of the B1 heads and 3.85 stroke crank that is in the 496, but right now with the 14-1 pistons in the 540 = no way.

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Edelbrock Victor vs Indy -1 Heads - 12/02/14 05:24 PM

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That`s a sweet gain and I figured my last porting, bigger intake valve and manifold work might be worth 25-30 or more based on my 3+ mph and nearly .02 in the 1/4 but I like those .600+ numbers for sure! Hopefully after dialed in Thumper`s gonna be a test bed for the new top end then some of my carb builds as I`ve already done. Great post which gives me more HP hope.................

I hate to burst your bubble, but aren't you afraid you're already about at your limit before you run over your crankshaft?

How else do you know the limits of something until you surpass it? My crank is a stock 413 forged lightened piece but hey, I know of low 9-second cars w/cast cranks so what`s that make them?