Price of NOS fill?

Posted By: greenduster

Price of NOS fill? - 01/03/09 08:39 PM

I started this on forabodiesonly and got alot
of flack.
Just wondering what everyone is paying for a
tank full?
I am putting it on the Duster to go racing this
year and wondered.
Most everyone over there dosn't like the idea.
So I put it on the bottle! It's a nother 150 hp.
that I can use, or not.
Just till I can get a stroker motor.
Thanks.

Posted By: 9 Sec Phill

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/03/09 08:41 PM

It dosnt matter what anyone else says, I fill my own, a mother bottle cost 176.00, last one here in NY did anyway....Phill

Posted By: Sub95

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/03/09 09:04 PM

64lb of nitrous mother bottle was 185.00 here in cali. the shop that fills bottles charges $8.00 a lb and we get the mother bottle from the same place.

Posted By: cmcgee123

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/03/09 10:20 PM

4.50 lb at hrp in so-cal 45$ to fill my 10lb bottle. and they gravity feed no pump + better fill = longer lasting bottle

Posted By: greenduster

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/03/09 10:38 PM

Thanks guys. At least you didn't give me a hard
time about putting it on the car.

Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/03/09 10:59 PM

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4.50 lb at hrp in so-cal 45$ to fill my 10lb bottle. and they gravity feed no pump + better fill = longer lasting bottle

10 pounds of liquid iS 10 pounds of liquid does not matter if pumped or gravity nor does one or the other last longer.

I sold at 4.50 a pound this past season.

Posted By: Blown61

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/03/09 11:00 PM

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Thanks guys. At least you didn't give me a hard
time about putting it on the car.

WHere you getting it filled?

Posted By: cmcgee123

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/03/09 11:04 PM

i just noticed less runs out of the local shop that pump fills. and im not talkin 1 run more like 4. so i will only get gravity fed bottles now.

Posted By: Voluster

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 12:10 AM

I got a couple buddies with filling stations and they get me $3. to $3.50 a lb

What kind of hard time were you getting for putting the spray on your ride?

You ain't playing unless your spraying!!!

Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 01:29 AM

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i just noticed less runs out of the local shop that pump fills. and im not talkin 1 run more like 4. so i will only get gravity fed bottles now.

You just dont get it. If your 10 pound bottle weighs 25 pounds its full. Period. The only way you will get less runs is if the shop did not fill it. Did you weigh your bottle every time it was filled to be sure it was filled?

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 03:46 AM

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i just noticed less runs out of the local shop that pump fills. and im not talkin 1 run more like 4. so i will only get gravity fed bottles now.

You just dont get it. If your 10 pound bottle weighs 25 pounds its full. Period. The only way you will get less runs is if the shop did not fill it. Did you weigh your bottle every time it was filled to be sure it was filled?

X2 I pump fill and never had a problem or complaint

Posted By: CMcAllister

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 05:02 AM

$4.25/lb. If you don't use a pump, you have to make the bottle cold or freeze it to get it full. Why can't they get the bottle full? Are they using scales? Do they know that you can't get the last third of N2O out of the big bottle?

Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 05:05 AM

Shops around here charged $7/lb a few years ago. 70 bucks for a 10 lb bottle was too much for me so I sold my nitrous junk.

Posted By: RobX4406

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 06:52 AM

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Thanks guys. At least you didn't give me a hard
time about putting it on the car.

Brian.

I saw that and the usual knothead was the instigator. He's not here for a reason.

Remember it's for guys that can't build HP... so says the tool that doesn't build his own stuff!

Posted By: moparmattkos

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 07:01 AM

3.50 a pound here.

Posted By: greenduster

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 05:48 PM

Hay Blown61. I live in Rhinelander. Local body
shop owner has it for his snowmobiles. He said
he could do it at his cost. He has a filling
station.
Where in this god forsaken state are you?

Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 05:57 PM

i have paid anywhere from 212.00 to 118.00 for a 64lb bottle....Best thing is if you can find two places to play against each other, start your own price war sort of, at least sometimes this "bad" economy can help you out LOL LOL
I have been buying 64lb mother bottles and filling my own since 1989

I have learned a lot of tricks too and have been getting 52-58lbs out of my 64lb bottles

Posted By: Blown61

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 06:03 PM

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Hay Blown61. I live in Rhinelander. Local body
shop owner has it for his snowmobiles. He said
he could do it at his cost. He has a filling
station.
Where in this god forsaken state are you?

Weyauwega

Posted By: Blown61

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 06:04 PM

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i have paid anywhere from 212.00 to 118.00 for a 64lb bottle....Best thing is if you can find two places to play against each other, start your own price war sort of, at least sometimes this "bad" economy can help you out LOL LOL
I have been buying 64lb mother bottles and filling my own since 1989

Where do you get them and how are you filling your small bottles?

Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 06:16 PM

Welding supply places. I have always used the easy method of frezzing my bottles and just hook up a line to the mother bottle, thats it.

you need to know if your mother bottle has a dip tube or not. If it does not have a dip tube, you need a stand that will hold the bottle upside down. You freeze your bottle for 3-12 hrs. Place you bottle on a scale, hook up a line to the mother bottle. Crack the valve on the mother bottle, crack the line to purge it of air at the small bottle, then open both valves and watch the scale. Do not overfill ....thats about it.

Sounds simple BUT be very careful as liquid nitrous CAN give you a freeze burn. Its best to have someone walk you through it the first couple times. I learned how to do it becasue instead of getting my bottles filled all the time, i would freeze bottles and transfer from 1/2 full to make a full bottle. This gave me a lot of practice..LOL LOL

Posted By: Blown61

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 06:39 PM

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Welding supply places. I have always used the easy method of frezzing my bottles and just hook up a line to the mother bottle, thats it.

you need to know if your mother bottle has a dip tube or not. If it does not have a dip tube, you need a stand that will hold the bottle upside down. You freeze your bottle for 3-12 hrs. Place you bottle on a scale, hook up a line to the mother bottle. Crack the valve on the mother bottle, crack the line to purge it of air at the small bottle, then open both valves and watch the scale. Do not overfill ....thats about it.

Sounds simple BUT be very careful as liquid nitrous CAN give you a freeze burn. Its best to have someone walk you through it the first couple times. I learned how to do it becasue instead of getting my bottles filled all the time, i would freeze bottles and transfer from 1/2 full to make a full bottle. This gave me a lot of practice..LOL LOL

What do I ask for at the weld supply place?

Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 06:47 PM

ask for NitrousPlus or Supernitrous, that is nitrous oxide with sulfur in it ( thats to prevent people from sniffing it to get high)
Or jsut explain to them that you want to buy nitrous oxide for use in a race car, usually 64 or 54lb mother bottles. Also be sure to find out if the have dip tube or not, If you have a choice get the one with NO diptube. Also get in touch with Monte Smith or someone, you will need the stand that hold the mother bottle, braided lines and bottle nuts and possibly nitrous in line filter to hook up the bottles. Good luck

Posted By: Blown61

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 07:39 PM

How much spray do you think a forged piston stock rod and crank 383 could take?

Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 07:43 PM

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ask for NitrousPlus or Supernitrous, that is nitrous oxide with sulfur in it ( thats to prevent people from sniffing it to get high)
Or jsut explain to them that you want to buy nitrous oxide for use in a race car, usually 64 or 54lb mother bottles. Also be sure to find out if the have dip tube or not, If you have a choice get the one with NO diptube. Also get in touch with Monte Smith or someone, you will need the stand that hold the mother bottle, braided lines and bottle nuts and possibly nitrous in line filter to hook up the bottles. Good luck

I don't think he has to worry about getting 'pure' (medical grade) Nitrous! Its very much a controlled substance. Without a license (you have to be a dentist/ortho etc, or an anetheisiologist.) you ain't gonna get it if you tried.

Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 08:36 PM

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ask for NitrousPlus or Supernitrous, that is nitrous oxide with sulfur in it ( thats to prevent people from sniffing it to get high)
Or jsut explain to them that you want to buy nitrous oxide for use in a race car, usually 64 or 54lb mother bottles. Also be sure to find out if the have dip tube or not, If you have a choice get the one with NO diptube. Also get in touch with Monte Smith or someone, you will need the stand that hold the mother bottle, braided lines and bottle nuts and possibly nitrous in line filter to hook up the bottles. Good luck

I don't think he has to worry about getting 'pure' (medical grade) Nitrous! Its very much a controlled substance. Without a license (you have to be a dentist/ortho etc, or an anetheisiologist.) you ain't gonna get it if you tried.

Very true, BUT, the last place i bought from gave me TWO 64lb MEDICAL Grade nitrous cyl.....
When i went back for two more they asked me how i got the medical grade, i laughed and told them, you gave them to me....LOL LOL LOL

Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 08:39 PM

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ask for NitrousPlus or Supernitrous, that is nitrous oxide with sulfur in it ( thats to prevent people from sniffing it to get high)
Or jsut explain to them that you want to buy nitrous oxide for use in a race car, usually 64 or 54lb mother bottles. Also be sure to find out if the have dip tube or not, If you have a choice get the one with NO diptube. Also get in touch with Monte Smith or someone, you will need the stand that hold the mother bottle, braided lines and bottle nuts and possibly nitrous in line filter to hook up the bottles. Good luck

I don't think he has to worry about getting 'pure' (medical grade) Nitrous! Its very much a controlled substance. Without a license (you have to be a dentist/ortho etc, or an anetheisiologist.) you ain't gonna get it if you tried.

Very true, BUT, the last place i bought from gave me TWO 64lb MEDICAL Grade nitrous cyl.....
When i went back for two more they asked me how i got the medical grade, i laughed and told them, you gave them to me....LOL LOL LOL

You were LAUGHING as you told them? Hee hee. "I want more of this stuff, puhhhleeese."

Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 08:43 PM

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How much spray do you think a forged piston stock rod and crank 383 could take?

THe weak link in that combination is the Rod, It will tansfer ANY detonation right to the block, your other weak link, I would say 175hp (.073 square jetted) should live fine, you might also get away with 225 or more....BUT you need to run good fuel, and be conservative on the timing, Keep the motor out of detonation at all costs. I had a Stock block, stock crank 446, It had a JE piston and an alum rod, Even with stock caps, i sprayed close to 300 and made over 100 passes. The stock caps had massive cap walk, but that was about it. Pushed my then 3600+ car to 9teens 9.20s pretty consistently. Get used to reading plugs and looking for the signs of detonation on them

Posted By: Blown61

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/04/09 09:25 PM

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How much spray do you think a forged piston stock rod and crank 383 could take?

THe weak link in that combination is the Rod, It will tansfer ANY detonation right to the block, your other weak link, I would say 175hp (.073 square jetted) should live fine, you might also get away with 225 or more....BUT you need to run good fuel, and be conservative on the timing, Keep the motor out of detonation at all costs. I had a Stock block, stock crank 446, It had a JE piston and an alum rod, Even with stock caps, i sprayed close to 300 and made over 100 passes. The stock caps had massive cap walk, but that was about it. Pushed my then 3600+ car to 9teens 9.20s pretty consistently. Get used to reading plugs and looking for the signs of detonation on them

Going to run e85 with this motor and thinking max 200 hp shot. What timing you running and you locked out?

Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/05/09 02:46 AM

My engine is a different combination than yours, dont go by me, go by your sparkplugs...I run 30 intial then i am at 18 with everything on. Now i check my plugs and they sometimes had a little black spec on some, i prob could have pulled more timing and dropped some fuel out of it, BUT i was in that process and the car was picking up....I dont know what head your using, what type of quench etc...whatever you do, start out conservative all you can do by pulling too much timing is slow the car dow, add it back in 1-2 degrees at a time thats all...watch the plugs and the mph on your time slips...Best thing is contact Monte smith on here, he can sell you a flow tool and tech you how to use it properly as well as put you in the right direction as far as jetting , fuel psi, timing etc.

Posted By: Blown61

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/05/09 02:58 AM

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My engine is a different combination than yours, dont go by me, go by your sparkplugs...I run 30 intial then i am at 18 with everything on. Now i check my plugs and they sometimes had a little black spec on some, i prob could have pulled more timing and dropped some fuel out of it, BUT i was in that process and the car was picking up....I dont know what head your using, what type of quench etc...whatever you do, start out conservative all you can do by pulling too much timing is slow the car dow, add it back in 1-2 degrees at a time thats all...watch the plugs and the mph on your time slips...Best thing is contact Monte smith on here, he can sell you a flow tool and tech you how to use it properly as well as put you in the right direction as far as jetting , fuel psi, timing etc.

Ok cool, I am not looking to set the world on fire here, just a 100 to 150 shot. What about the guys that buy a kit and throw it on without messing with timing?

Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/05/09 03:08 AM

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My engine is a different combination than yours, dont go by me, go by your sparkplugs...I run 30 intial then i am at 18 with everything on. Now i check my plugs and they sometimes had a little black spec on some, i prob could have pulled more timing and dropped some fuel out of it, BUT i was in that process and the car was picking up....I dont know what head your using, what type of quench etc...whatever you do, start out conservative all you can do by pulling too much timing is slow the car dow, add it back in 1-2 degrees at a time thats all...watch the plugs and the mph on your time slips...Best thing is contact Monte smith on here, he can sell you a flow tool and tech you how to use it properly as well as put you in the right direction as far as jetting , fuel psi, timing etc.

Ok cool, I am not looking to set the world on fire here, just a 100 to 150 shot. What about the guys that buy a kit and throw it on without messing with timing?

they get lucky LOL LOL

WHat i would do is get the car running well on motor....Whatever timing you get it to run well on, id retard it 6 degrees for 100, 8 for a 150. Then READ THE PLUGS....The best thing for you as a beginner is get in touch with Monte Smith, Get the kit from him, and a flow tool, Thats the best advice i can give you

Posted By: Blown61

Re: Price of NOS fill? - 01/05/09 03:14 AM

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My engine is a different combination than yours, dont go by me, go by your sparkplugs...I run 30 intial then i am at 18 with everything on. Now i check my plugs and they sometimes had a little black spec on some, i prob could have pulled more timing and dropped some fuel out of it, BUT i was in that process and the car was picking up....I dont know what head your using, what type of quench etc...whatever you do, start out conservative all you can do by pulling too much timing is slow the car dow, add it back in 1-2 degrees at a time thats all...watch the plugs and the mph on your time slips...Best thing is contact Monte smith on here, he can sell you a flow tool and tech you how to use it properly as well as put you in the right direction as far as jetting , fuel psi, timing etc.

Ok cool, I am not looking to set the world on fire here, just a 100 to 150 shot. What about the guys that buy a kit and throw it on without messing with timing?

they get lucky LOL LOL

WHat i would do is get the car running well on motor....Whatever timing you get it to run well on, id retard it 6 degrees for 100, 8 for a 150. Then READ THE PLUGS....The best thing for you as a beginner is get in touch with Monte Smith, Get the kit from him, and a flow tool, Thats the best advice i can give you

Ok, cool thanks for all your help.