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Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues

Posted By: B3422W5

Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 12:35 AM

Drag link isn't able to be bolted up on my A body. Put the nut on drivers side on, and the link is about 1.5 inches to high on passengers side from being in place.... Aargg
No way to turn the drag link down that much.... And thought about cutting it on each end and welding in a straight piece to replace how the factory bar is made ..... But an outstanding welder who could do it doesn't want the liability( understand his point).... So looks like this trick pan is unusable to me for this 318 mighty mite project

Unless somebody here has an idea....
71 Duster with slant 6 K and Shumacher conversion mounts.... Can't imagine it working with V8 K and different mounts either.... But who knows
Posted By: STEFF

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 12:50 AM

Got pics? Motor sitting lower than stock? Modify pan to clear?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 12:51 AM

Don.. why not rework the pan.. put in a tube large
enough to work and if needed put in wings on the pan
for the volume
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 01:13 AM

I guess the former version of this pan, the hole was round, now in this newer version it's rectangular. With a round draglink that isn't straight( kinda shaped like a very shallow U) it seems to me unless the alignment was perfect, it's going to rub, restrict steering, or not be even close to fitting like I am dealing with.
Straightening out the bend in the draglink seemed easiest.... But....

Would have to swap out K members, get different mounts to even know if that's a fix.
And a guy I know with an E body used this type pan years ago and reworked the bar like I wanted to, to make it work on his Cuda.
May just stick the stock pan that was on the motor we just yanked on the new mill
As if that isn't all, the built 904 I bought( and is installed behind the new mill in the car now) was shaved for CSR shield clearance, so I can't used my column shift linkage.... So withh retain bench seat with quarter stick on the floor
One thing I have learned...... One day drivetrain swaps never work out that way, this one sure isn't either.
And I still don't know yet if the stacked 4 hole and open spacers used together will clear the flat hood..... Haven't gotten carb and hoses and such finished yet
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 01:24 AM

Its never as easy as we think.. just putting on the
injection on my 416 I had to get a air cleaner spacer
1.3" taller to clear the injector rails and the throttle
linkage... it should clear the hood.. but its close
Posted By: littleVAL

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 01:26 AM

I have an early a body and the /6 and v8 center links are different. The /6 have less clearance/ dip in them. I am unsure on your set up but maybe it just needs a v8 center link. unless they are the same for your year or you already have v8 one. The other option is shimming the steering box and notching the hole for the drag link to rotate the center link if it will give you enough without hurting your steering geometry.
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 01:35 AM

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I have an early a body and the /6 and v8 center links are different. The /6 have less clearance/ dip in them. I am unsure on your set up but maybe it just needs a /6 center link. unless they are the same for your year or you already have /6 one. The other option is shimming the steering box and notching the hole for the drag link to rotate the center link up if it will give you enough.




I had heard the slant draglink is straighter, but called a guy today who is a swap meet guru and he said they are the same. IF he is wrong, that would be a great fix.

Mine is a 71 A body. If yours is for a 63-66 early A body maybe they are different and later A bodies aren't. I don't know. What year is your car ?
Anybody out and out positive if the slant 6 draglink is straighter than a V8 draglink?
Posted By: cudadoug

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 01:52 AM

Why in the world would you have that pan on a street car???

We had a round tube version on a Duster and the drag link fit fine. Car was originally a /6 and had a V* K member transplant. Used solid (Moroso?) mounts.

Stock front end height, 27" tall tires = 3.25" ground clearance. We changed to a Kevko as the car is going back on the street.

Sooooo, I have a round tube version for sale...lol...if you really want to run one.
Posted By: DusterDave

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 01:54 AM

Find another welding shop. I had the same problem, and overcame it with the idea you mentioned.

http://hemiduster.com/draglink.htm

It isn't a big deal. I know its a rare thing to do on a car, but in the off-road world, its done all the time. I just welded a tie rod and drag link for my Jeep project.
Posted By: littleVAL

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 01:57 AM

the car is a 64 v8 valiant and it has a noticeably different center link than /6 cars
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 01:59 AM

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Why in the world would you have that pan on a street car???

We had a round tube version on a Duster and the drag link fit fine. Car was originally a /6 and had a V* K member transplant. Used solid (Moroso?) mounts.

Stock front end height, 27" tall tires = 3.25" ground clearance. We changed to a Kevko as the car is going back on the street.

Sooooo, I have a round tube version for sale...lol...if you really want to run one.





I bought the motor complete. It was an enginemaster's build and the pan was on it. Believe it or not, it actually doesn't hang as low as I thought it would.
Anyhow, that why it's on there. And I know those are great pans, but if I can't get it to work in my chassis, it's gonna be an ashtray probably.
Posted By: 68shifter

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 02:08 AM

Did you try Johnson Welding on south sprinkle road. Talk to Scott, the younger guy. He's great and will do whatever you need, I wouldn't question his work for an instant.
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 02:27 AM

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Did you try Johnson Welding on south sprinkle road. Talk to Scott, the younger guy. He's great and will do whatever you need, I wouldn't question his work for an instant.



That is exactly the guy we tried who didn't want to because of liability. My business is just a block up Sprinkle at the corner of Centre. And yes, he is extremely good.
Posted By: actionange

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 02:40 AM

Check this website:
http://www.bobsprofab.com

Don't know if he is still in business, but he did/does all sorts of fab work
Posted By: Cheatham

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 03:02 AM

i had clearance issue with my Milodon pan with the tube and center link so i put a motor plate and moved the motor around to fit the tube to the link
Posted By: D-50

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 03:23 AM

Put a Kevko pan on it they hold 6 qts. and they are reasonably priced. That is what I am using and I am happy with it so far. Been 6.20's in the 1/8.
Posted By: 68shifter

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 03:39 AM

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Did you try Johnson Welding on south sprinkle road. Talk to Scott, the younger guy. He's great and will do whatever you need, I wouldn't question his work for an instant.



That is exactly the guy we tried who didn't want to because of liability. My business is just a block up Sprinkle at the corner of Centre. And yes, he is extremely good.



That's odd, but I get his point. I've cut/bent/sleeved all sorts of stuff to mine to fit my pans over the years. That and getting rid of the ends to make disassembly faster.

I know there's a couple guys at Soule's that do fab stuff on the side but don't recall their names. You could check there too.
Posted By: clonestocker

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 04:50 AM

Mine came w/a straight drag link that is solid. Kinda heavy but doesn't rub anything.
Posted By: mcduff

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 05:40 AM

No Problem! I had had same problem with my Dart.

Take your current draglink and flip it so the "u" shape is in the other direction. Weld the tie rod ends, pitman arm and idler arm large taper ends smaller & ream the openings from the other side with a tapered reamer. Fits perfect......cost me $20.00 at the welding shop and the price of the reamer....which I forget how much it costs...not much.

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Posted By: Leigh

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 07:04 AM

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Find another welding shop. I had the same problem, and overcame it with the idea you mentioned.

http://hemiduster.com/draglink.htm

It isn't a big deal. I know its a rare thing to do on a car, but in the off-road world, its done all the time. I just welded a tie rod and drag link for my Jeep project.


We (Gregsdart) welded a straight piece of solid material, same diameter, then cut the original drop off. Same pan as yours. No problems.
Posted By: mr2performance

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 03:51 PM

Send it over. I'll do it. Mike
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/16/14 04:37 PM

Thanks for the offer to help

I found a guy here local to do it, who owns a welding business.... Will pick it up today and knock it out Monday

All goes well car should be running Tuesday. Norwalk is getting close, need to sort this thing out at the track probably twice before then.
I expect some teething problems as a couple of things are probably marginal to support what I hope the car can run( mainly fuel related) won't know till I lean on it.
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/18/14 04:33 PM

Got the link modified, fits nicely through the hole now.
But I have only about 3/4 or so turning ability turning right as idler arm hits pan. Full range to the right
It is what it is I guess.
Posted By: scottb

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/18/14 08:15 PM

Ya now the headers wont fit hitting the oil pan
Posted By: RAY1969CARS

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/19/14 12:55 AM

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Drag link isn't able to be bolted up on my A body. Put the nut on drivers side on, and the link is about 1.5 inches to high on passengers side from being in place.... Aargg
No way to turn the drag link down that much.... And thought about cutting it on each end and welding in a straight piece to replace how the factory bar is made ..... But an outstanding welder who could do it doesn't want the liability( understand his point).... So looks like this trick pan is unusable to me for this 318 mighty mite project

Unless somebody here has an idea....
71 Duster with slant 6 K and Shumacher conversion mounts.... Can't imagine it working with V8 K and different mounts either.... But who knows [/quot







Which one do you have the square one or the round one ???
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/19/14 01:16 AM

Square one
Posted By: RAY1969CARS

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/19/14 01:18 AM

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Square one



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Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/19/14 03:17 AM

Yep that's it.

Nice pan, but if using it with stock suspension and store bought headers....... Wear a metal hat to protect pulling your hair out
Posted By: RAY1969CARS

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/19/14 06:54 AM

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Yep that's it.

Nice pan, but if using it with stock suspension and store bought headers....... Wear a metal hat to protect pulling your hair out



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Posted By: RAY1969CARS

Re: Milodon S/S drag link through center oil pan issues - 08/19/14 07:02 AM

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Yep that's it.

Nice pan, but if using it with stock suspension and store bought headers....... Wear a metal hat to protect pulling your hair out







Hooker SuperCom's fit pretty nice

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