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Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16
Posted By: 440Jim
Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/16/14 06:52 PM
I talked to KB today (7/16/2014), and they are trying to ship my block today. They need to get the final shipping cost and call for pickup. I expect the final inspection sheet and cost info emailed to me this afternoon so I can double check it.
Most of this has been posted in Wade's topic, but I thought it would be nice to have my story in one place so it is easier/quicker to read instead of going though many pages of several buyer's posts.
I started my attempt to buy an aluminum block in Dec 2013. Since I wanted a low deck to reuse things in my current car with a factory low deck block, I seriously considered both Indy and Keith Black. I liked the features of the KB so long story short, I sent an email to KB on Dec 25, 2013 asking for an order sheet and options. I figured they would respond after the Christmas holiday. After not hearing back, I phoned a few times, left messages and got no response. I talked to a few others and they recommended I phone at a different time (I am on the East coast, they are on the West coast). That worked and I talked to KB on 1/7/2014.
On Jan 10th, they sent me an email with the order spec sheet, options, and pricing. After several exchanges both on the phone and with email (for pictures), I finalized my order on Jan 17th and paid half the bill as down payment. Ken was very helpful and informative selecting options and even making a special change so I could bolt a stock 727 case to the new block (lower two attachment holes are thru holes on a factory block and are threaded holes on KB standard). We had serious talks about delivery issues in the past and he assured me that was behind them and they could deliver in 12-13 weeks (3 months). So the estimated schedule was:
- March 21 casting arrives from the foundary
- April 11 machining complete
- Then ship across the country from CA to MD
I arranged for all the internal parts to be ready to assemble in April and run this season at the drag strip.
Posted By: jamesc
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/16/14 06:57 PM
might i ask why you're selling it?
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/16/14 07:40 PM
In April he said the block had finished heat treatment and was ready to pickup at the foundary. Weeks later I called again and he hadn't picked up the block. Then finally on June 3 he told me the foundary found a porosity issue and had to recast the block. It would be ready to pick up at the foundary on June 6. I talked to KB on June 20, and he didn't have the casting... I talked to KB on July 1 and they had the casting.
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/16/14 07:44 PM
If the block was ready to pickup in April, why did it take until June to find the problem and recast it? Then it sat ready for pickup at the foundary for another 2 weeks with nothing accomplished.
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/16/14 07:48 PM
On July 1st, KB said they were finishing another block and they would start machining mine on July 3. Since I ordered the lifter galleries drilled for oiling the rocker arms through the pushrods, they do some machining operations first. Then send it out for the lifter gallery machining. When it gets back to the KB shop they finish machine it including lifter bores, cylinder sleeves, final hone, etc.
Posted By: camastomcat
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/16/14 08:36 PM
I have a real problem with this whole BS give me money and I'll promise one thing, and ship it when I get around to it, deal. He doesn't say that, but that's how it has worked out. I understand it's hard to make money without hard work in this business, but 7 months holding onto several thousand is too long. Ken is certainly a nice guy and has the best block I've run to date, but this is unacceptable in my opinion.
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/16/14 09:19 PM
On July 9 KB estimated shipping on July 14. Finally on July 16 they said it will ship today.
I will keep everyone posted when the status changes.
Posted By: 1320Dart
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/16/14 09:27 PM
I ordered my block the later part of January. I've had long drawn out rants on other posts about KB taking way longer than quoted. On July 1st, it was my block that was being finished right before 440jim's was to have the final machining done on his. I talked to KB on Monday(7-14-14). He told me it was ready to ship and was double checking with me on where to ship it to. KB said that there was a guy that showed up that he needed to talk with, and that he would call me right back and give me the update on the shipping cost. It's (7-16-14) and I'm still waiting on that phone call......
Posted By: Dduster
Different Question - 07/16/14 09:52 PM
If the 'send in Your money and wait' trail of tears is the norm for KB blocks, is the KB block that much better than World or Indy versions and worth the frustrations? I'm familiar with the reality of 'not meeting the ship date' for performance machine shops but this situation points out that KB has raised the bar on this 'business model'. Wow,... is the word that comes quickest to mind.
Posted By: Sammy
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/16/14 09:55 PM
I personally can't see this company (KB Racing) staying in business too much longer. How can this company afford to keep the doors open when your selling this few of blocks in a year.
Plus repeat business can't be good.
Posted By: STEFF
Re: Different Question - 07/16/14 09:56 PM
Jim, If you waited this long for it, Why are you selling it?
Posted By: Al_Alguire
Re: Different Question - 07/16/14 10:05 PM
Well FWIW here goes. In my humble opinion the KB stuff is the BEST stuff out there. However I have recently purchased two different blocks from two different manufacturers and they came in a very timely manner without drama what so ever. Are they as nice as KB, NOPE. But I am not a very patient guy and when I want something I want it when it is promised. Missing deadlines by a small amount is acceptable on occasion. Unfortunately I have moved on to elsewhere. Would I like another KB block, yep. Do I want to fund the manufacturing process the answer is NO!!
And you guys wonder why no-one is jumping to produce MOPAR products. If Indy would have a porosity issue with one of their blocks what do you think they would have done with it.
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: Different Question - 07/16/14 10:28 PM
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If Indy would have a porosity issue with one of their blocks what do you think they would have done with it.
Is that a trick question ??? 
Posted By: camastomcat
Re: Different Question - 07/16/14 10:50 PM
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And you guys wonder why no-one is jumping to produce MOPAR products. If Indy would have a porosity issue with one of their blocks what do you think they would have done with it.
Dude,
There's a way to do business that is up front and realistic, unfortunately, KB no longer operates that way. It should not be the norm to promise something in 10-12 weeks and deliver in 6-7 months while holding your money. Some of us here just want what we pay for in a timely fashion. If running a Mopar style block means lowering the bar with respect to tying up your money for 6-7 months, I'll be moving on to something else. If it were a GM product, they would have been out of business a long time ago.
Posted By: 1320Dart
Re: Different Question - 07/16/14 10:57 PM
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Well FWIW here goes. In my humble opinion the KB stuff is the BEST stuff out there. However I have recently purchased two different blocks from two different manufacturers and they came in a very timely manner without drama what so ever. Are they as nice as KB, NOPE. But I am not a very patient guy and when I want something I want it when it is promised. Missing deadlines by a small amount is acceptable on occasion. Unfortunately I have moved on to elsewhere. Would I like another KB block, yep. Do I want to fund the manufacturing process the answer is NO!!
I know that if I knew about the EXTREMELY late delivery times and that it was going to make me miss MY promised dates, I'd probably have went a different direction.
Then I would have been able to keep sponsors and not have to hand them their money back, with egg on my face. But most importantly I'd be racing by now. 
Maybe that's where I am different than a lot of guys. Being in the racing sport for 39 years I study and read up on products before I spend my hard earned money. ESPECIALLY when the product I am buying cost over 5000 dollars. I knew for a fact that that when I ordered my block it was going to take well over the projected 12-16 weeks and I was fine with that. I ordered early enough to leave delayed delivery into my plans. Info is out there if you take the time to search for it. Google is your Friend.
Posted By: Quicktree
Re: Different Question - 07/16/14 11:24 PM
I bet it is a money issue with them, I have seen this type of a deal before. not saying it is but I bet they are robbing peter to pay paul. in other words they take your deposit spend the money and need several other orders before they can get yours.. thats why you see huge time delays. just my guess. you usually have this right before a company goes under
Posted By: Mulehead
Re: Different Question - 07/16/14 11:30 PM
6 mouth for me too,But it's worth it
Posted By: camastomcat
Re: Different Question - 07/16/14 11:32 PM
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I bet it is a money issue with them, I have seen this type of a deal before. not saying it is but I bet they are robbing peter to pay paul. in other words they take your deposit spend the money and need several other orders before they can get yours.. thats why you see huge time delays. just my guess. you usually have this right before a company goes under
In a word....Bingo! FWIW, I know how to use google. I don't wish that on them but......
Posted By: 1320Dart
Re: Different Question - 07/16/14 11:33 PM
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Maybe that's where I am different than a lot of guys. Being in the racing sport for 39 years I study and read up on products before I spend my hard earned money. ESPECIALLY when the product I am buying cost over 5000 dollars. I knew for a fact that that when I ordered my block it was going to take well over the projected 12-16 weeks and I was fine with that. I ordered early enough to leave delayed delivery into my plans. Info is out there if you take the time to search for it. Google is your Friend.
I've been racing for 24 years now. Keith Black has always had a good name. So when I stepped up to the plate to purchase one of his blocks, this BS was the last thing I could have expected.
Posted By: fbs63
Re: Different Question - 07/17/14 12:10 AM
What does a KB block cost new now, ballpark? An Indy block is a stout piece and is available in any configuration imaginable. If a KB new cost anywhere near what guys are asking for them why bother. Almost double the price and a 6 month wait! No thanks. I know a lot of people don't like to spend money with Indy but a $2500 dollar premium is nuts.
Posted By: Quicktree
Re: Different Question - 07/17/14 12:32 AM
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Maybe that's where I am different than a lot of guys. Being in the racing sport for 39 years I study and read up on products before I spend my hard earned money. ESPECIALLY when the product I am buying cost over 5000 dollars. I knew for a fact that that when I ordered my block it was going to take well over the projected 12-16 weeks and I was fine with that. I ordered early enough to leave delayed delivery into my plans. Info is out there if you take the time to search for it. Google is your Friend.
I've been racing for 24 years now. Keith Black has always had a good name. So when I stepped up to the plate to purchase one of his blocks, this BS was the last thing I could have expected.
Keith Black passed away a while back..
Posted By: an8sec70cuda
Re: Different Question - 07/17/14 12:32 AM
FWIW I think it took about 6 months for me to get my KB block back in 2006. At that time, that was the expected wait time.
A Google search post from 2008. I'm glad this never happened.
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1
Posted By: 1320Dart
Re: Different Question - 07/17/14 12:36 AM
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Maybe that's where I am different than a lot of guys. Being in the racing sport for 39 years I study and read up on products before I spend my hard earned money. ESPECIALLY when the product I am buying cost over 5000 dollars. I knew for a fact that that when I ordered my block it was going to take well over the projected 12-16 weeks and I was fine with that. I ordered early enough to leave delayed delivery into my plans. Info is out there if you take the time to search for it. Google is your Friend.
I've been racing for 24 years now. Keith Black has always had a good name. So when I stepped up to the plate to purchase one of his blocks, this BS was the last thing I could have expected.
Keith Black passed away a while back..
Yeah I know 
What a terrible day
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 02:29 AM
IMHO, there are 2 guys here that have a gripe, the others are just jumping on, because thats what they like to do.....
camastomcat....you have no gripe here....you didn't order a block....and we haven't heard a peep about the Predator headed monster that I am sure you dropped 25k+ on, that has yet to make a full pass after 2 years....you haven't bashed whomever sold/built that.....so why pile on something you are not even involved with ?
Al....You have no gripe here....and when will these 2 monsters you are building be ready ?
1320dart....You are on here still undecided what stroke engine you are going to build...so it wouldn't matter if you had a block anyway.....
Sorry for being a bit harsh, but no sense ganging up on someone, making accusations, etc....when not only don't you know what is going on...but it is NOT your deal....
Now 440Jim has reasons to gripe, because he actually bought one, and would have actually had his engine together, been at the track racing, putting up numbers within a few weeks of getting his block....and he has griped the least....
Posted By: AndyF
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 02:48 AM
6 months seems reasonable for a semi-custom part. I ship standard parts the next day if I have them in stock. My last full custom job took close to a year to get out the door. I don't know anything about how KB runs their business but they might not have the cash balance available to keep any blocks in stock.
I have a hard time keeping some of my more expensive parts in stock during the busy part of the year and I don't offer options. As soon as you offer options on a base part then you end up with too many combinations to keep inventory on hand. Just one of the hazards of low volume manufacturing.
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: Different Question - 07/17/14 03:18 AM
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What does a KB block cost new now, ballpark?
The invoice I asked for review, before shipping the block, totaled $6,769 total including shipping and options.
Posted By: camastomcat
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 03:43 AM
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IMHO, there are 2 guys here that have a gripe, the others are just jumping on, because thats what they like to do.....
camastomcat....you have no gripe here....you didn't order a block....and we haven't heard a peep about the Predator headed monster that I am sure you dropped 25k+ on, that has yet to make a full pass after 2 years....you haven't bashed whomever sold/built that.....so why pile on something you are not even involved with ?
Al....You have no gripe here....and when will these 2 monsters you are building be ready ?
1320dart....You are on here still undecided what stroke engine you are going to build...so it wouldn't matter if you had a block anyway.....
Sorry for being a bit harsh, but no sense ganging up on someone, making accusations, etc....when not only don't you know what is going on...but it is NOT your deal....
Now 440Jim has reasons to gripe, because he actually bought one, and would have actually had his engine together, been at the track racing, putting up numbers within a few weeks of getting his block....and he has griped the least....
It was a lot more than 25K dooda and what dog do you have in this fight? I was going to order a block, was told the same thing, and I'm glad I didn't. As far as the Predator deal, I didn't bash anyone because Steve made everything right, and was a stand up guy, not that it's any of your business.
By the way 6 pack, I've been to their shop, owned a KB block B1 motor, and as I said, they are nice. I don't wish Ken or his family any ill will, but he's hurting himself with this delivery deal, and bracket racers along the way. BTW when was the last time you raced? I'll be out this week end and was out the last 2, so as I've posted my expensive build here, and the results, let's hear about yours. And...who made you hall monitor? Nuff said. 
Posted By: camastomcat
Re: Different Question - 07/17/14 03:46 AM
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What does a KB block cost new now, ballpark?
The invoice I asked for review, before shipping the block, totaled $6,769 total including shipping and options.
For all of the options you listed with shipping included, that sounds right. The blocks are nice, and if they take 6-8 months, so be it. That should told to the buyer at the time of order.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 03:59 AM
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IMHO, there are 2 guys here that have a gripe, the others are just jumping on, because thats what they like to do.....
camastomcat....you have no gripe here....you didn't order a block....and we haven't heard a peep about the Predator headed monster that I am sure you dropped 25k+ on, that has yet to make a full pass after 2 years....you haven't bashed whomever sold/built that.....so why pile on something you are not even involved with ?
Al....You have no gripe here....and when will these 2 monsters you are building be ready ?
1320dart....You are on here still undecided what stroke engine you are going to build...so it wouldn't matter if you had a block anyway.....
Sorry for being a bit harsh, but no sense ganging up on someone, making accusations, etc....when not only don't you know what is going on...but it is NOT your deal....
Now 440Jim has reasons to gripe, because he actually bought one, and would have actually had his engine together, been at the track racing, putting up numbers within a few weeks of getting his block....and he has griped the least....
It was a lot more than 25K dooda and what dog do you have in this fight? I was going to order a block, was told the same thing, and I'm glad I didn't. As far as the Predator deal, I didn't bash anyone because Steve made everything right, and was a stand up guy, not that it's any of your business.
By the way 6 pack, I've been to their shop, owned a KB block B1 motor, and as I said, they are nice. I don't wish Ken or his family any ill will, but he's hurting himself with this delivery deal, and bracket racers along the way. BTW when was the last time you raced? I'll be out this week end and was out the last 2, so as I've posted my expensive build here, and the results, let's hear about yours. And...who made you hall monitor? Nuff said.
No.....you haven't posted the results of your Predator deal......perhaps you should warn others of the problems you had if you feel the need to look out for others....
And I'm just stating my opinion, I don't like to see people jump on this bashing bandwagon when they have nothing to do with it.....
and it's ironic that you are silent about problems that you were actually involved with....yet so vocal about something you are not involved with....
And me.....after racing with my 3 daughters in jr. dragsters.....I now have 2 of them in college at 23k/year each....and really have no desire to bracket race....
Posted By: camastomcat
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 04:22 AM
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IMHO, there are 2 guys here that have a gripe, the others are just jumping on, because thats what they like to do.....
camastomcat....you have no gripe here....you didn't order a block....and we haven't heard a peep about the Predator headed monster that I am sure you dropped 25k+ on, that has yet to make a full pass after 2 years....you haven't bashed whomever sold/built that.....so why pile on something you are not even involved with ?
Al....You have no gripe here....and when will these 2 monsters you are building be ready ?
1320dart....You are on here still undecided what stroke engine you are going to build...so it wouldn't matter if you had a block anyway.....
Sorry for being a bit harsh, but no sense ganging up on someone, making accusations, etc....when not only don't you know what is going on...but it is NOT your deal....
Now 440Jim has reasons to gripe, because he actually bought one, and would have actually had his engine together, been at the track racing, putting up numbers within a few weeks of getting his block....and he has griped the least....
It was a lot more than 25K dooda and what dog do you have in this fight? I was going to order a block, was told the same thing, and I'm glad I didn't. As far as the Predator deal, I didn't bash anyone because Steve made everything right, and was a stand up guy, not that it's any of your business.
By the way 6 pack, I've been to their shop, owned a KB block B1 motor, and as I said, they are nice. I don't wish Ken or his family any ill will, but he's hurting himself with this delivery deal, and bracket racers along the way. BTW when was the last time you raced? I'll be out this week end and was out the last 2, so as I've posted my expensive build here, and the results, let's hear about yours. And...who made you hall monitor? Nuff said.
No.....you haven't posted the results of your Predator deal......perhaps you should warn others of the problems you had if you feel the need to look out for others....
And I'm just stating my opinion, I don't like to see people jump on this bashing bandwagon when they have nothing to do with it.....
and it's ironic that you are silent about problems that you were actually involved with....yet so vocal about something you are not involved with....
And me.....after racing with my 3 daughters in jr. dragsters.....I now have 2 of them in college at 23k/year each....and really have no desire to bracket race....
I thought I did here but visit lot's of racing sites. Here you go.
I did post a you tube video of the predator on here sometime back of the dyno session. It dynoed 1152HP@7400 with 2 carbs.
I was never really satisfied with the results, but installed it at the end of 2011, and raced it at MATS which I wound up in the finals with Al Alguire. It ran a best of 7.20@188 with 1 carb. On the race pak however, it showed low oil pressure and I sent it back to be updated on a few things, which Steve Gill paid for, as I said a stand up guy.
The motor came back at the end of 2013 and at the Div in Las Vegas, it blew up.
Since that time I've been trying to recover financially and have been racing my B1/MC stuff. BTW, Steve helped with everything and put a lot of time, parts and money into helping me get back. I'm closing in on another one with a different combo and will hopefully be back out by the end of year.
I hope that satisfies your need to know about it. Now, what have you built and what kind of cash have you spent in this sport?
My gripe has to do with the broken promises some racing companies make in addition to their lack of sense of responsibility. Perhaps I'm just jealous that I can't stay in business that way, it's not just any one company but the level of acceptability in this sport I've been involved in for 40 years.
Posted By: camastomcat
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 04:25 AM
Sorry, it cam back at the end of 2012, actually Steve drove it here from New Jersey, and it went in that winter. In March or 2013 it blew up. It had 28 total passes on it.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 04:48 AM
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My gripe has to do with the broken promises some racing companies make in addition to their lack of sense of responsibility. Perhaps I'm just jealous that I can't stay in business that way, it's not just any one company but the level of acceptability in this sport I've been involved in for 40 years.
Sounds like, if anything, you have a gripe with your engine builder.....My Opinion, which I can have in this country no matter how much money I have or don't have....is that 440Jim has a gripe with KB...You don't....so why not take out your frustrations where they belong....and it sounds like most would take 3 months late on a top quality piece instead of 30k worth of schrapnel.....that it sounds like you waited even longer for.....
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 04:55 AM
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My gripe has to do with the broken promises some racing companies make in addition to their lack of sense of responsibility. Perhaps I'm just jealous that I can't stay in business that way, it's not just any one company but the level of acceptability in this sport I've been involved in for 40 years.
Sounds like, if anything, you have a gripe with your engine builder.....My Opinion, which I can have in this country no matter how much money I have or don't have....is that 440Jim has a gripe with KB...You don't....so why not take out your frustrations where they belong....and it sounds like most would take 3 months late on a top quality piece instead of 30k worth of schrapnel.....that it sounds like you waited even longer for.....
Tom has every right to make his comments and if you don't like it go over to the Hyundai forum.
Posted By: camastomcat
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 04:59 AM
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My gripe has to do with the broken promises some racing companies make in addition to their lack of sense of responsibility. Perhaps I'm just jealous that I can't stay in business that way, it's not just any one company but the level of acceptability in this sport I've been involved in for 40 years.
Sounds like, if anything, you have a gripe with your engine builder.....My Opinion, which I can have in this country no matter how much money I have or don't have....is that 440Jim has a gripe with KB...You don't....so why not take out your frustrations where they belong....and it sounds like most would take 3 months late on a top quality piece instead of 30k worth of schrapnel.....that it sounds like you waited even longer for.....
I'm entitled to my opinion too, and you don't know jack. There are spectators and racers and you sir haven't been on the other side of the deal, so what would you know about it? Taking enjoyment in someone else's bad luck seems like bad karma to be but, like you say, it's your opinion and you're welcome to it.
Good luck with your blocks guys, when you get them you'll like them, just plan on lot's of time to get them.
Posted By: Twostick
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 05:00 AM
I don't think anybody has a problem with it taking 6 months. The problem is they quoted 3. If it takes 6 months then quote it.
Even if I KNOW it will take you 6 months to deliver something and you tell me 3, you just lied to me and it could get messy. When you take money and don't deliver as promised you have a serious liability problem. Equity compels performance...
How does that HP block compare? Off topic I know but they said they actually have INVENTORY. Way above my paygrade but the guy at the show said he could ship me one Monday if I wanted it. $5700ish IIRC.
Kevin
Posted By: camastomcat
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 05:11 AM
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I don't think anybody has a problem with it taking 6 months. The problem is they quoted 3. If it takes 6 months then quote it.
Even if I KNOW it will take you 6 months to deliver something and you tell me 3, you just lied to me and it could get messy. When you take money and don't deliver as promised you have a serious liability problem. Equity compels performance...
How does that HP block compare? Off topic I know but they said they actually have INVENTORY. Way above my paygrade but the guy at the show said he could ship me one Monday if I wanted it. $5700ish IIRC.
Kevin
I saw their blocks in Las Vegas, and they look nice. I talked with him today and he said they were going to have more soon, but they were probably 3 weeks out or longer on what I need. I think he may have some hemi's, and they are priced competitively.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 05:14 AM
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My gripe has to do with the broken promises some racing companies make in addition to their lack of sense of responsibility. Perhaps I'm just jealous that I can't stay in business that way, it's not just any one company but the level of acceptability in this sport I've been involved in for 40 years.
Sounds like, if anything, you have a gripe with your engine builder.....My Opinion, which I can have in this country no matter how much money I have or don't have....is that 440Jim has a gripe with KB...You don't....so why not take out your frustrations where they belong....and it sounds like most would take 3 months late on a top quality piece instead of 30k worth of schrapnel.....that it sounds like you waited even longer for.....
I'm entitled to my opinion too, and you don't know jack. There are spectators and racers and you sir haven't been on the other side of the deal, so what would you know about it? Taking enjoyment in someone else's bad luck seems like bad karma to be but, like you say, it's your opinion and you're welcome to it.
Good luck with your blocks guys, when you get them you'll like them, just plan on lot's of time to get them.
You sure do try and twist things....I don't take enjoyment over anyones bad luck.....it sounds like you have built up frustrations that you are taking out on KB when you have NO gripe with them.......
That would be like me ranting about your engine blowing up and bad mouthing your engine builder.....
And you don't see the irony that you state they will get a great block, it'll just take 6 months to get.....when you waited even longer, and spent way more money, for something you didn't like so much.... 
Posted By: Twostick
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 05:25 AM
That was what he had at Carlisle.
IIRC .300" raised cam tunnel, 60mm conventional cam bearing or roller bearing (55mm?)
4.5x4.75 with an internal pick-up and up to 5" stroke with an external PU.
6 bolt mains.
He said he had several ready to ship in that configuration.
Kevin
Posted By: camastomcat
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 05:28 AM
By the way and for the record, my KB was the nicest block I have owned.
Posted By: cudabin
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 05:32 AM
My KB block was delivered a bit quicker than Jim's, but a bit longer than promised...
However, It is a far superior product to the Indy block in every way you can think of, and Ken Black is a great guy that stands behind his work and cares about his customers.
I would buy from KB again, and I hope that things improve on the delivery times.
It would be a shame to lose such a great product for us Mopar guys.
my two cents...
Arnie
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 05:32 AM
You sure do try and twist things....I don't take enjoyment over anyones bad luck.....it sounds like you have built up frustrations that you are taking out on KB when you have NO gripe with them.......
That would be like me ranting about your engine blowing up and bad mouthing your engine builder.....
And you don't see the irony that you state they will get a great block, it'll just take 6 months to get.....when you waited even longer, and spent way more money, for something you didn't like so much....
You sure havent read any of the post pertaining to
the KB blocks.. its the TIME frame... if your told
3 months then it should be... we can deal with a minor
extension but DOUBLE the time frame... all he needs
to say is its gonna be 6 months
Posted By: Twostick
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 05:35 AM
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By the way and for the record, my KB was the nicest block I have owned.
That seems to be the general consensus.
I would hazard to guess that for every sale he gains by over promising he loses 10 more from stories of under delivering.
Kevin
Posted By: Al_Alguire
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 08:20 AM
I think someone may have missed the entire point which has since been bought out. If it is going to take 6 months then just say 6 months. Not really rocket science here.
As for me and my deals. Well I have made ALOT of changes in the last few months to my racing program. Probably why I have been spending to much time here typing. I will put some info up on the new build when the time comes. Suffice it to say we have a Predator deal in the works right now. Hoping to have it on the dyno by end of September barring any more parts issues. But since I decided to take this year off after chasing it hard the last few years I am in no appreciable rush. HOWEVER when I decided to do this a few months back I did not want to miss ANOTHER year waiting on a block. So I had one here already from another manufacturer and bought another for a second motor when time and money allows.
Oh yeah paying for two kids in college currently and three total. So I can definitely feel your pain there
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 09:27 AM
I haven't missed any point.....I highly doubt that Ken Black knew from the get go it would be 6 months....things happen....Toms engine wasn't done in a few months and it sounds like yours is taking a while...things happen....So going forward Ken should not be so optimistic with his delivery dates.
I do emphathize with 440Jim and feel he is the only one here with a real legitimate gripe.....as based upon his track record, if he would have gotten that block in April, he would have had that engine together, in the car, and sorted out by May....running impressive times and winning rounds I have no doubt. And considering he discussed the past delivery issues with Ken and was assured it would be ok, HE has reason to be fuming. Yet he has really taken the high road in all this.
Check out the posts, 1320dart still is trying to decide what stroke and parts he is going to use....so I highly doubt he would have had his engine together by now.....
Nobody else in these posts was buying a block from KB....just wanna jump on the bandwagon and bash a longtime, quality, Mom and Pop type Company....I am sure Ken Black feels as bad as anyone about the delays.
I look forward to seeing your next ride......at times you have hinted you bought a ford.....then I noticed pics of a new chassis....and lately something about an existing car you bought....a little mystery adds to the anticipation.
btw, I know 90% of racers don't post on moparts, but is there any HP blocks out there running fast ? The ones bought by moparts posters all seem to be collecting dust. Just wondering if they are a proven quality piece. Just like the Ritter blocks and the airwolf heads, ya never hear about them running in a car.
Posted By: 1320Dart
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 12:33 PM
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I haven't missed any point.....I highly doubt that Ken Black knew from the get go it would be 6 months....things happen....Toms engine wasn't done in a few months and it sounds like yours is taking a while...things happen....So going forward Ken should not be so optimistic with his delivery dates.
I do emphathize with 440Jim and feel he is the only one here with a real legitimate gripe.....as based upon his track record, if he would have gotten that block in April, he would have had that engine together, in the car, and sorted out by May....running impressive times and winning rounds I have no doubt. And considering he discussed the past delivery issues with Ken and was assured it would be ok, HE has reason to be fuming. Yet he has really taken the high road in all this.
Check out the posts, 1320dart still is trying to decide what stroke and parts he is going to use....so I highly doubt he would have had his engine together by now.....
Nobody else in these posts was buying a block from KB....just wanna jump on the bandwagon and bash a longtime, quality, Mom and Pop type Company....I am sure Ken Black feels as bad as anyone about the delays.
I look forward to seeing your next ride......at times you have hinted you bought a ford.....then I noticed pics of a new chassis....and lately something about an existing car you bought....a little mystery adds to the anticipation.
btw, I know 90% of racers don't post on moparts, but is there any HP blocks out there running fast ? The ones bought by moparts posters all seem to be collecting dust. Just wondering if they are a proven quality piece. Just like the Ritter blocks and the airwolf heads, ya never hear about them running in a car.
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If you must know, I have 2 different cranks. 4.5 and 4.375, and so on, - and since the block I ordered is over two times the quoted time over due, I feel I'm entitled to second guess my build and discus or PM it with other racers.
I have never bashed Ken in any way. He is a very nice man. I have complained about his delivery quotes and communication.
You don't know me. You've never walked a mile in my shoes.
Unless you've ordered parts from a well renowned company, and they didn't hold up to their time frame on their signed quote form.
Then you lost sponsors (and the money that is with them) because you couldn't make the promised dates.---- If not, then you have no right to criticize the way I'm going about my project or anything about me. You really need to get the whole story dude. Sorry for being a bit harsh.
And yes BTW, I would have had the engine done and racing by now if I would have had the block in the 12 week delivery date.
Thanks for the critique. Have your self a great day
Posted By: Al_Alguire
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 05:26 PM
One last tidbt and possibly what I was trying to accomplish in all these threads. IF KB would simply give you a reliable, honest delivery date I think it would help their business. I know of at least three people who waited extended periods of time finally cancelling their orders. One posts here occasionally and waited 12 months, after being told the usual 12-16 weeks. That order was placed at the behest of a very well known Mopar engine guy who posts here frequently as well. And they are not alone, just don't want to get into the fray I suppose.
As for me, Yep I already own a Ford, a couple actually. But there is also first gen Camaro here too
Posted By: WadeMetzinger
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/17/14 08:58 PM
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How does that HP block compare? Off topic I know but they said they actually have INVENTORY. Way above my paygrade but the guy at the show said he could ship me one Monday if I wanted it. $5700ish IIRC.
Kevin
FYI the KB Street (water)440 blocks cost $5,650, if you want the lifter galley's drilled for push rod oiling that's an extra $350. They say these are good up to 2,500HP when ordered with 1/2 head studs.
This is a little more than Indy and others but they also come finish honed, with head studs/nuts for your heads, timing chain cover studs/nuts, and oil pan studs/nuts, screw in rear tranny dowel pins, rear main seal so there is $400 - $600 worth of extras that I don't believe the other come with for their stated price.
Mine cost $6,300 delivered to my door, finish honed and ready to assemble and that is with the $350 option for drilling oil galley.
Posted By: jamesc
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/19/14 10:37 PM
i'm not going to get into all the bickering and can understand why people would get upset. having said that best i can tell the lead time on a KB block has always been around 6 months. personally i would go in with that mindset regardless of what i was told.
short of a billet block i don't think there's any better choice for an aluminum chrysler block than the KB
hopefully they will continue to make them, we chrysler guys need all the help we can get
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/20/14 02:57 AM
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i'm not going to get into all the bickering and can understand why people would get upset. having said that best i can tell the lead time on a KB block has always been around 6 months.
I would order another one if I had 6-9 months before I needed it and I didn't have to put money down up front. But I asked directly about deliverly since I needed it in April and they didn't come through as promised and I paid up front for it.
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: Keith Black block - Ordered 1/17, shipped 7/16 - 07/20/14 03:48 AM
Why are you selling it?????