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Time to add some weight

Posted By: 1974 474 Duster

Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 12:54 AM

Guess I'm going to have to add some weight to the front of my Duster. Just wants to keep getting higher on the wheel stands. Went to Goodyear front runners & lighter wheels last year. It started to come up more losing that weight. Now I added TTI step headers & she got worse. Going the hang 10# on each side. Hope that does it to get things back under control. No wheelie bars here, sorry don't like the look on my car. Car still went 1.40 60' w/pedaling it to get it back to earth. Ran 10# in the Goodyears as well. Any input would be great.
Thanks, Ken Michalik

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Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 01:32 AM

More info needed.
Rear suspension.
gears
trans type
car weight
weight ratio
rear tire size
conv stall
footbrake or trans-brake.
front suspension.
Posted By: 1974 474 Duster

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 02:13 AM

Hey John, it's a Ladder bar rear w/stock front suspension w/90-10 shocks. It has a Turbo 400 w/trans brake, Dana 60 w/4.88 gears. It weighs 3060 dry, not sure of race weight. The stall is I think 5200, leave at 3600 & let it flash from there. The rr tires are 31x14 Good Years. Like I said it always ran the tires about 2 feet in the in the air. Took some weight out of the front & this is the result. Like I said I'm going to try bolting 10# to each side on the front of the frame horns. Think that will put things back in place.
Thanks, Ken
Posted By: Locomotion

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 02:28 AM

I had good results running Koni SPA1 adjustable shocks, but switched to externally adjustable QA1 Stocker Stars. I wanted to control the front end rise and be able to quickly dial it in without removing the shocks. It seemed to make a difference in wheelstand height while trying to find the initial proper setting, but I haven't needed to "open her up" in VG weather conditions yet to really test my theory.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 02:31 AM

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Hey John, it's a Ladder bar rear w/stock front suspension w/90-10 shocks. It has a Turbo 400 w/trans brake, Dana 60 w/4.88 gears. It weighs 3060 dry, not sure of race weight. The stall is I think 5200, leave at 3600 & let it flash from there. The rr tires are 31x14 Good Years. Like I said it always ran the tires about 2 feet in the in the air. Took some weight out of the front & this is the result. Like I said I'm going to try bolting 10# to each side on the front of the frame horns. Think that will put things back in place.
Thanks, Ken





ken did you try a ladderbar adjustment? That's a hard hit with 4.88 gear, 5200 stall, and a turbo trans. I glide would probably tame it down some as would tightning down the front end. The 90-10 shock probably isn't helping either. When I used to run a 14-31 tire on my 74 duster I ran a 4.56 gear and a 4.88 gear with a 14-32.
Posted By: GTS340

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 03:25 AM

Adjustable front shocks will help slow the rise down. 90/10 is really loose on extension. If you can lower the front position of the ladder bar that would help too. Maybe even consider front end travel limiters.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 03:35 AM

I would try raising the starting line RPM to see if that reduces the amount of the wheelstand
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 03:40 AM

try lowering the launch rpm, I bet it helps
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 03:42 AM

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Adjustable front shocks will help slow the rise down. 90/10 is really loose on extension. If you can lower the front position of the ladder bar that would help too. Maybe even consider front end travel limiters.


this also
Posted By: CompWedgeEngines

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 03:42 AM

Front shocks.
Posted By: gregsdart

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 04:48 AM

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And maybe one step stiffer springs. Can you lower the whole car a bit? I would try each of these one at a time though.
It seems a shame to have to add weight, and I suspect 20 lbs won't be near enough.
Posted By: Sport440

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 05:33 AM

Front shocks. Are yours adjustable, most are. 50/50 70/30 90/10. Mine are and they werent top dollar shocks either. Start there IMO
Posted By: Edge

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 05:44 AM

You may want to consider a ladder bar adjustment, car looks great regardless
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 06:34 AM

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Front shocks.




need to be thrown in the trash and a set of real ones put in their place. leave the back alone!
Posted By: gregsdart

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 03:14 PM

If all else fails, you can drop to a 4.30 gear. It might not cost you more than a couple of hundredths ? From 4.88 to 4.30 is a 12 percent cut in torque off the line. The good thing is the converter multiplies torque longer with less gear.
Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 03:30 PM

My vote is front shocks, need to slow the front end down.
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 03:33 PM

Frankly I can't believe I read through this and the OP( who I am sure is a nice guy and has a beautiful car) is unaware having non adjustable 90/10 shocks on a wheelstander wouldn't be the first thing to throw in a garbage can.
Even a cheap CE type 3 way shock set on 70/30 or 80/20 would have an immediate impact .. Much less a higher quality shock.
Posted By: 1974 474 Duster

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 05:01 PM

Sorry just for to mention that. They are Lakewood adjustable front shocks on the car. Was late when I posted last night. Thanks, Ken
Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 05:14 PM

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Sorry just for to mention that. They are Lakewood adjustable front shocks on the car. Was late when I posted last night. Thanks, Ken




Then tighten them up.
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/17/14 05:16 PM

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Sorry just for to mention that. They are Lakewood adjustable front shocks on the car. Was late when I posted last night. Thanks, Ken




Then tighten them up.




Posted By: Sport440

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/18/14 01:28 AM

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Sorry just for to mention that. They are Lakewood adjustable front shocks on the car. Was late when I posted last night. Thanks, Ken




Then tighten them up.










There, you have your answer to start with. I dont like the idea of Hanging 20# on the front if you really dont need to.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/18/14 03:03 AM

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Sorry just for to mention that. They are Lakewood adjustable front shocks on the car. Was late when I posted last night. Thanks, Ken




Then tighten them up.










There, you have your answer to start with. I dont like the idea of Hanging 20# on the front if you really dont need to.





Me neither. That's like .02 in the quarter.
Posted By: johnmilner

Re: Time to add some weight - 06/18/14 03:15 AM

limiter's on front, to much travel.
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