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Firecore and Top Fuel

Posted By: Frito

Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/16/14 05:01 PM

Last week I noticed a nice set of wires on Spencer Massey's Don Schumacher owned Top Fuel Hemi. When I ask about them Spencer proudly took me into his pit and showed me the FIRECORES!!!!

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Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/16/14 05:45 PM

Im suprised that snot nosed lil punk even knew what a plug wire was!!!!!
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/16/14 06:26 PM

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Im suprised that snot nosed lil punk even knew what a plug wire was!!!!!





Gene Snow probably showed him.
Posted By: all spooled up

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/16/14 06:49 PM

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Im suprised that snot nosed lil punk even knew what a plug wire was!!!!!





Gene Snow probably showed him.


Posted By: Frito

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/16/14 06:56 PM

I guess I should get a shot of Beckman or Antron's car. Or maybe Matt Smith or Cruz. The point of the post was to show the Firecores work on street cars, to Carey Bales 4 banger turbo to a Top Fuel Hemi.
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/16/14 07:16 PM

not to steal the thread, but whats the ohms/ft on the firecore wire?
Posted By: dogdays

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/16/14 07:50 PM

Ohms per foot is a meaningless number. It is measured by a small DC voltage when you use an ohmmeter.
Ohms per foot is used by plug wire manufacturers to try to get you to believe that their wire is better than someone else's.

The power for the spark event is more like AC and it flows over the surface of the core, kind of a cylinder flow.

It would take pretty specialized equipment to measure the power flow in a real spark situation.

Year ago, Circle Track magazine did a plug wire test and the results for new carbon conductor wires (the stock ones most of us consider crap) were indistinguishable from any of the other wires. I seem to remember that all the hp numbers were within the testing error, including solid conductor wires.

Wires add value when they:
1. Last a long time
2. Withstand reasonable handling and operating abuse
3. Control RFI so your other electronics aren't affected.

R.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/16/14 07:52 PM

I don't think that the ohms per foot relate to any of the new Hi Po resitor type wires that have a stainless wire wound around the outside of the inner cores I fought a set of Moroso that ohmed well, but ran like crap on the motor I had used a different set of wires on the motor when I dynoed it and switch to the Moroso wires that I had used on the street car before, no worky so good on the new motor with the MSD 7AL2 box
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/16/14 08:56 PM

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Ohms per foot is a meaningless number. It is measured by a small DC voltage when you use an ohmmeter.
Ohms per foot is used by plug wire manufacturers to try to get you to believe that their wire is better than someone else's.

The power for the spark event is more like AC and it flows over the surface of the core, kind of a cylinder flow.

It would take pretty specialized equipment to measure the power flow in a real spark situation.

Year ago, Circle Track magazine did a plug wire test and the results for new carbon conductor wires (the stock ones most of us consider crap) were indistinguishable from any of the other wires. I seem to remember that all the hp numbers were within the testing error, including solid conductor wires.

Wires add value when they:
1. Last a long time
2. Withstand reasonable handling and operating abuse
3. Control RFI so your other electronics aren't affected.

R.



Good points and they are why the fuel teems use them with Hundreds of runs on a set of wire with 44Mag with no problems on top dragsters and I believe over 100 runs on a top fuel car using Firecore50.Schumacher tested the wire in his own facility as has been seen on youtube including in a pressure chamber.
Posted By: Big Squeeze

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/16/14 10:15 PM

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Ohms per foot is a meaningless number. It is measured by a small DC voltage when you use an ohmmeter.
Ohms per foot is used by plug wire manufacturers to try to get you to believe that their wire is better than someone else's.

The power for the spark event is more like AC and it flows over the surface of the core, kind of a cylinder flow.

It would take pretty specialized equipment to measure the power flow in a real spark situation.

Year ago, Circle Track magazine did a plug wire test and the results for new carbon conductor wires (the stock ones most of us consider crap) were indistinguishable from any of the other wires. I seem to remember that all the hp numbers were within the testing error, including solid conductor wires.

Wires add value when they:
1. Last a long time
2. Withstand reasonable handling and operating abuse
3. Control RFI so your other electronics aren't affected.

R.




Exactly right....everything else is just salesman voodoo...
Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/16/14 11:00 PM

The last time i went to a NHRA race was in 11, and all the DSR cars from top fuel to funny cars had fire cores on them...
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/17/14 12:00 AM

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Ohms per foot is a meaningless number. It is measured by a small DC voltage when you use an ohmmeter.
Ohms per foot is used by plug wire manufacturers to try to get you to believe that their wire is better than someone else's.

The power for the spark event is more like AC and it flows over the surface of the core, kind of a cylinder flow.

It would take pretty specialized equipment to measure the power flow in a real spark situation.

Year ago, Circle Track magazine did a plug wire test and the results for new carbon conductor wires (the stock ones most of us consider crap) were indistinguishable from any of the other wires. I seem to remember that all the hp numbers were within the testing error, including solid conductor wires.

Wires add value when they:
1. Last a long time
2. Withstand reasonable handling and operating abuse
3. Control RFI so your other electronics aren't affected.

R.




Exactly right....everything else is just salesman voodoo...



Well that may be true but fuel teams can use MSD wires for FREE while they pay hundreds for a set of Firecore50 wires.
Now I will admit Rick is a pretty good salesman but if his wires weren't head and shoulders above the rest they wouldn't be on the car
Gus

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Posted By: sam64

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/17/14 01:00 AM

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Im suprised that snot nosed lil punk even knew what a plug wire was!!!!!


well little snot nose bracket races too,saw him at north star dragway in denton tx.a couple weeks ago.i guess we should ask what he thinks of you!
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/17/14 01:20 AM

Not just because of this thread( but because of thread after thread getting posted shamelessly in one fashion or another " plugging" these wires.... I wish reference to products members sell would stay in the new products section after a thread or two touting them.
These wires become threads on here started by Rick( who I have noting against at all), seemingly all the time..but geez, enough is enough all ready after a couple of years of droning on and on about them.
Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/17/14 03:30 AM

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Im suprised that snot nosed lil punk even knew what a plug wire was!!!!!


well little snot nose bracket races too,saw him at north star dragway in denton tx.a couple weeks ago.i guess we should ask what he thinks of you!




I honestly could give 2 S#$TS what he thinks of me, and Im sure he cares less what I think, but he is darn lucky to have a ride after the crap he pulled. At his age he should have more respect for the guys he is competing with as they are old enough to have changed his poopooed diapers.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/17/14 03:45 AM

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Im suprised that snot nosed lil punk even knew what a plug wire was!!!!!


well little snot nose bracket races too,saw him at north star dragway in denton tx.a couple weeks ago.i guess we should ask what he thinks of you!




I honestly could give 2 S#$TS what he thinks of me, and Im sure he cares less what I think, but he is darn lucky to have a ride after the crap he pulled. At his age he should have more respect for the guys he is competing with as they are old enough to have changed his poopooed diapers.




If you are going to accuse Rick of something say it!
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/17/14 05:16 AM

didn't know that. learning something from this site is one reason i'm on here everyday. the ohms/ft I was taught in tech school back in 82. out with the old and in with the new. anyway, where's the best place to buy a set?
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/17/14 07:16 AM

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If you are going to accuse Rick of something say it!




Think he was alluding to Spenser Massey.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/17/14 12:57 PM

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If you are going to accuse Rick of something say it!




Think he was alluding to Spenser Massey.




Thats how I took it also.. referring to Massey
Posted By: justinp61

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/17/14 02:31 PM

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didn't know that. learning something from this site is one reason i'm on here everyday. the ohms/ft I was taught in tech school back in 82. out with the old and in with the new. anyway, where's the best place to buy a set?




Me too, now we have no way to test them. I think I'm going with Moroso Ultra 40s this time.
Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/17/14 02:39 PM

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If you are going to accuse Rick of something say it!




Think he was alluding to Spenser Massey.




Thats how I took it also.. referring to Massey





I was talking about Massey.....

I miss the days of a driver who started with nothing and isa threat now. There are plenty with a better attitude rather than what Spencers got.

I had VIP tickets to the DSR camp and that lil jerk was offputting, and a total nose up [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean]. The rest were all great, even the short one.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/17/14 02:46 PM

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If you are going to accuse Rick of something say it!




Think he was alluding to Spenser Massey.



My bad then! My grand daughter had a seizure and quit breathing so I am a little stressed.
Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/17/14 02:48 PM

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If you are going to accuse Rick of something say it!




Think he was alluding to Spenser Massey.



My bad then! My grand daughter had a seizure and quit breathing so I am a little stressed.




NOT GOOD!! sorry to hear that.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/17/14 03:05 PM






NOT GOOD!! sorry to hear that.



Thanks you!
Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/18/14 04:58 PM

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Not just because of this thread( but because of thread after thread getting posted shamelessly in one fashion or another " plugging" these wires.... I wish reference to products members sell would stay in the new products section after a thread or two touting them.
These wires become threads on here started by Rick( who I have noting against at all), seemingly all the time..but geez, enough is enough all ready after a couple of years of droning on and on about them.




Wow, just saw this, why are you angry? I have not started a wire thread in years. We are a very small American company. Word of mouth is the best advertising. And it does matter quality of wire. I will not get into a shouting match on the internet. Here is a good read, or some for that matter.

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=578126&highlight=firecore

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386412&highlight=firecore
Posted By: 68valiant68

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/18/14 05:16 PM

Rich at firecore is local, I have seen him at events selling and making custom wire sets for guys on the spot! He has always been a class act in my book, and knows his stuff. I run his products in my car. to rich!
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/18/14 05:22 PM

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Rick at firecore is local, I have seen him at events selling and making custom wire sets for guys on the spot! He has always been a class act in my book, and knows his stuff. I run his products in my car. to rick!




You do know his name is Rich and not Rick... I know
a lot get it wrong
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/18/14 05:36 PM

Many of the comments about Firecore products are posted here for a varity of reasons and people are willing to share their experiences,(good and bad).
First and foremost is Rick's customer service and his willingness to help others wich goes way beyond the adverage companys we deal with.
Second is his quality products.Even when there were issues,the way he took care of the problems(on his dime)is worthy of positive comments.
That Rick was a member here before he started selling Firecore and continues to support the site speaks volumes for his character.
Rick also supports our sport and provides an important service to racers.
When were see nagative responses to someone or their product we have a thread that goes on forever and no one complaints and people keep it alive buy jumping on the bandwagon so why take offence to a positive post about a honest member who sales a good product?I think Rick and his product has earned our respect and we should respond by supporting him when the oppertunity arises.We need more Mopar suppliers like,Firecore,Bob's ProFab,Charlies Pans and all the other "responsible" members in business and I would rather see positive post about them than negative ones.There are enough manufactures that don't provide the kind of customer service that we deserve.
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/18/14 05:45 PM

been using ultra 40's and taylor without issues,but want to try another brand this time around.
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/21/14 05:57 PM

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been using ultra 40's and taylor without issues,but want to try another brand this time around.




Firecore,"the best"forget the rest.If it's good enough for Top Fuel and Pro Stock it will work for us.Always remember it's the service after the sale.
Posted By: Jeepmon

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/21/14 06:15 PM

FireCore wires are the only wire I've had total confidence in..
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: Firecore and Top Fuel - 04/21/14 06:19 PM

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FireCore wires are the only wire I've had total confidence in..




My confidence is the "Man" behind the product.Rich has proved to me that he has earned our respect and business.If he was selling dried rat turds,I know that if I got a wet one he would replace it on his dime.
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