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coil over front on a duster?

Posted By: duster408

coil over front on a duster? - 12/17/08 04:00 AM

Has anyone ever put a coil over front on a duster? Does there have to be any mods to the lower control arm once the torsion bar is removed? Any other helpful suggestions. Thanks
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Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/17/08 05:52 AM

you can retain the stock LCA with the right mods.

also think about shock tower bracing as DusterDave said, a must do !

i make a complete coil over conversion kit also to think about

my website has details on the setup.
Bondo
Posted By: duster408

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/19/08 03:45 PM

what mods are needed on the LCA's? Do you have pics?
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Posted By: duster408

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/19/08 10:48 PM

I need some pics of stock LCA mods.
Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/20/08 12:49 AM

1. you will need to en large the shock bolt hole on the LCA, its only 7/16
needs to be 1/2 for the coil over bearing end and make a few 1/8 spacers to take up the extra room.

2. press out your LCA pivot shafts and machine a 3/8 x 24 thread into the back of them, that way you can retain the LCA from not wanting to pull loose from the pivot shaft, only the bushing is holding it on.locite it on with a washer to retain it.

3. brace the shock towers, it will want to twist the top of the frame rails in towards the motor and break the spot welds in the front frame rail in time.

heres a pic of a new set of stock lower pivot shafts with a 3/8 x 24 thread in the back of them and a set of upper billet mounts heading Deigo Teds way i need the machine the spacers up for him yet

Bondo

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Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/20/08 12:50 AM

closer shot

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Posted By: duster408

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/21/08 04:42 PM

thanks, I also saw somewhere welding done on the LCA,s is this necessary?
Posted By: qwkmopardan

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/21/08 04:49 PM

Search Alterktion on the web. I have one of there kits and it fit great and works great.
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Post deleted by Defbob - 12/21/08 06:26 PM

Posted By: dizuster

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/21/08 06:47 PM

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thanks, I also saw somewhere welding done on the LCA,s is this necessary?


Right here. Coil Over Conversion



Not to hi-jack, but do you guys think this is enough reinforcement for the uppers?

I don't know if I'm going to end up with the coil over deal or not, but before the car gets painted I want to make sure what I have would work...

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Posted By: dizuster

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/21/08 06:48 PM

one more

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Posted By: duster408

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/28/08 04:23 PM

what length shocks do I need, and what should the ride height be?
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Post deleted by Defbob - 12/28/08 04:34 PM

Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/28/08 04:53 PM

the best shock is the AFco M2/BNC
direct fit drag shock that is coil over ready with 5 inch of travel.
AFco is doing a awesome job at the mopar valving on these shocks which i have custom built and valved.
a few pics of a M2

Bondo

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Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/28/08 04:53 PM



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Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/28/08 04:56 PM

as a reg. front drag shock (non coil over)

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Posted By: B1Frank

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/28/08 04:57 PM

HEY BOB, how much on the coil over shock's ????
Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/28/08 05:00 PM

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HEY BOB, how much on the shock's ????


just shocks or complete with springs and hardware.

these are sold as a shock ready for coil overs.
must buy the hardware kit also to install the spring.
Posted By: mopowers

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/28/08 09:46 PM

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HEY BOB, how much on the shock's ????


just shocks or complete with springs and hardware.

these are sold as a shock ready for coil overs.
must buy the hardware kit also to install the spring.



Do you sell the aluminum piece that replaces the bottom rubber/poly bushing on the top shock mount?
Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/28/08 10:50 PM

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HEY BOB, how much on the shock's ????


just shocks or complete with springs and hardware.

these are sold as a shock ready for coil overs.
must buy the hardware kit also to install the spring.



Do you sell the aluminum piece that replaces the bottom rubber/poly bushing on the top shock mount?


i turn them on the lathe out of 6061, the urethane bushing that comes with the shocks will not hold the weight when converted to coil over. they are fine for using them as a stock style front shock.
I make them as needed, but if you need a set i can tool some up
Posted By: Hot 340

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/29/08 12:38 AM

Bondo, will that setup work on a street car? Mind you, Im not talking about driving down the road like you would in a beater neon or something, just able to putt around with when not racing..
Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/29/08 12:57 AM

Yes, i put a ton of street miles on 340Ricks challenger this past summer (i think i put more miles on his car than he did in the past 10 years ) with my setup on it and the same coil overs with #250 springs

the lighter spring seems to work well with me adding more per load to them for better reaction from the suspension.

i can get you awesome deals on AFco products
Bondo
Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/29/08 01:50 AM

3850M list 410.40 each : T2 5 inch drag coil over ready shock double adjustable.
23250CR list 68.69 each : coil over spring, this is what i run on Ricks car.
20124 list 47.55 each : coil over hardware kit.
20144 list 40.10 pair : bearing kit.

thats $1,093.00 list on the front coil overs
www.afcoracing.com and search the part #'s


they are not cheap but one of the best shocks on the market today and AFco's customer service is second to none
you can PM me for a killer price on a set

Bondo
Posted By: VernMotor

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/29/08 06:54 PM

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thanks, I also saw somewhere welding done on the LCA,s is this necessary?


Right here. Coil Over Conversion


Ok I missing the boat here ! if you weld them LCA like that pic..how do the control arms move up and down ??
Posted By: mopowers

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/29/08 10:19 PM

I was wondering the same thing. It seems to me like it would bind.
Posted By: dizuster

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/29/08 10:25 PM

If you look at the last pic, you can see that there is an adapter at the top of the shock that allows it to pivot. Since the shock length can change, as the lower/upper control arms go through their range, the shock length changes. If the shock length didn't change through the motion it wouldn't actually do anything...
Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/29/08 10:36 PM

yes the LCA will try to bind.
but on a budget it gets the job done.


my setup has zero resitance

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Posted By: Plumb Wired

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/30/08 02:03 AM

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thanks, I also saw somewhere welding done on the LCA,s is this necessary?


Right here. Coil Over Conversion


Ok I missing the boat here ! if you weld them LCA like that pic..how do the control arms move up and down ??



The part you see welded is the adjuster that is no longer used once the torsion bar is eliminated. The weld just keeps what's left of the adjuster from moving around. I have whacked them off as close as possible then welded just for cosmetic purposes. Has nothing to do with the movement of the LCA.

Mike Gray
Posted By: mopowers

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/30/08 03:42 AM

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thanks, I also saw somewhere welding done on the LCA,s is this necessary?


Right here. Coil Over Conversion


Ok I missing the boat here ! if you weld them LCA like that pic..how do the control arms move up and down ??



The part you see welded is the adjuster that is no longer used once the torsion bar is eliminated. The weld just keeps what's left of the adjuster from moving around. I have whacked them off as close as possible then welded just for cosmetic purposes. Has nothing to do with the movement of the LCA.

Mike Gray



I think the confusion lies with the bolt and big washer that connects the LCA to the pivot pin. Once the adjuster is welded to the LCA and the pivot is bolted to both the LCA and the K-member it doesn't look like it should move.

It looks like Duster Dave used a nylon or teflon washer to allow the LCA to rotate up and down a little easier. It looks like that would free up some of the movement.
Posted By: 416Swinger

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/30/08 05:04 AM

Bondo, Do you have any pics of the shock tower brace that you offer?
Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/30/08 06:37 AM

a body brace, under the inner fender.

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Posted By: Plumb Wired

Re: coil over front on a duster? - 12/30/08 01:03 PM

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thanks, I also saw somewhere welding done on the LCA,s is this necessary?


Right here. Coil Over Conversion


Ok I missing the boat here ! if you weld them LCA like that pic..how do the control arms move up and down ??



The part you see welded is the adjuster that is no longer used once the torsion bar is eliminated. The weld just keeps what's left of the adjuster from moving around. I have whacked them off as close as possible then welded just for cosmetic purposes. Has nothing to do with the movement of the LCA.

Mike Gray



I think the confusion lies with the bolt and big washer that connects the LCA to the pivot pin. Once the adjuster is welded to the LCA and the pivot is bolted to both the LCA and the K-member it doesn't look like it should move.

It looks like Duster Dave used a nylon or teflon washer to allow the LCA to rotate up and down a little easier. It looks like that would free up some of the movement.




I don't understand the confusion, the LCA shafts rotates on the bushings in the k-member.

Mike Gray
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