Posted By: WHITEDART
GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 05:13 AM
how deep are you guys going. 
GOING DEEP
Posted By: rebel
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 05:18 AM
as in staging?
Posted By: Al_Alguire
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 06:40 AM
Unfortunately with all I got 
As for staging I am as shallow as possible. Only way to KNOW where you are in the beams each time. Stage as shallow as possible and adjust from there to get the R/T's you are after.
Again unforunately those two tales are very similar
As for staging I am as shallow as possible. Only way to KNOW where you are in the beams each time. Stage as shallow as possible and adjust from there to get the R/T's you are after.
Again unforunately those two tales are very similar
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 10:39 AM
Like Al said I like to go very shallow too but we have a couple dragsters at PRP doing something that is kinda stirring the pot some. Door cars are always held in the box while a dragster burn and coast thru the line. We are then told to start our procedure as the dragster backs up. Well they are slowly backing thru the second staging bulb and just backing till the second stage bulb turn off. The second a door car lights the first bulb they quickly roll the one inch into full stage. By staging rules its legal as they are going forward the last 1 inch. The procedure kinda rushes the door car to roll in a little quicker than they planned to. Legal yes, but when I race these dragsters in the near future the tables will be turned some. One of the racers is a member here now in a chevy powered dragster. As a racer I lost respect for HER. 
Posted By: rebel
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 11:11 AM
depends on the tree. on a Pro tree .400 i go in deep, turn the top light out. on a Full tree .400 i'm shallow, stage on, minuteist creep & hold the button.
Posted By: '72CudaRacer
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 12:46 PM
I stage a little different than most. I footbrake (true footbrake, no transbrake, no 2-step) and even though my car is very consistant, it reacts slow. If I just barely dink the 2nd light on and leave on the bottom amber bulb, my reaction time is in the .09 range. If I actually go full deep (turn off the pre stage bulb), after a few passes I get comfortable with deep staging, and I'm -.006 red. My solution is to go 1/2 deep, meaning turn on the 2nd bulb and then roll in just a bit more, but leave the pre stage light lit. A lot of old timers call this method "bump racing". Most will tell you that it is difficult at best to be sucsessful at, and I will tell you that it takes a lot of practice to get it right every time. When you race like this, you have to be mindful of your dial in also because where you stage will effect your ET. In my case there is .010 sec difference between shallow staged and full deep staged. It might not be for everyone, but, it works for me.
If you are in the lane beside me and you see my top amber flicker then stay lit, you're gonna need your "A" game, 'cause the old man is probably gonna drill you!
Brian
If you are in the lane beside me and you see my top amber flicker then stay lit, you're gonna need your "A" game, 'cause the old man is probably gonna drill you!
Brian
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 12:55 PM
I stage as shallow as possible on the standard .500
tree
but roll in deep on the .400 pro... my car reacts super
fast
tree
but roll in deep on the .400 pro... my car reacts super
fast
Posted By: Bob_Spelic
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 04:23 PM
I like to go in as shallow as possible.
John, In my dragster, I was taught by a good racer to use the slow backup procedure and just turn the lights on and then back off while backing up very slowly. Sitting there with no lights on it doesn’t take much movement to turn on the top bulb and makes staging the long dragsters much easier. At least I though so.
From what you wrote, I take it the racer in question is backing up and cycles the lower bulb and then sits there and leaves the top bulb on; and driving right into stage when the opponent turns on their top bulb. As you said nothing illegal there, but certainly causes a rush for the opponent.
Bob Spleic
John, In my dragster, I was taught by a good racer to use the slow backup procedure and just turn the lights on and then back off while backing up very slowly. Sitting there with no lights on it doesn’t take much movement to turn on the top bulb and makes staging the long dragsters much easier. At least I though so.
From what you wrote, I take it the racer in question is backing up and cycles the lower bulb and then sits there and leaves the top bulb on; and driving right into stage when the opponent turns on their top bulb. As you said nothing illegal there, but certainly causes a rush for the opponent.
Bob Spleic
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 04:32 PM
Quote:
I like to go in as shallow as possible.
John, In my dragster, I was taught by a good racer to use the slow backup procedure and just turn the lights on and then back off while backing up very slowly. Sitting there with no lights on it doesn’t take much movement to turn on the top bulb and makes staging the long dragsters much easier. At least I though so.
From what you wrote, I take it the racer in question is backing up and cycles the lower bulb and then sits there and leaves the top bulb on; and driving right into stage when the opponent turns on their top bulb. As you said nothing illegal there, but certainly causes a rush for the opponent.
Bob Spleic
I know that MOST dragsters run a glide but if you
do that with a 727 you will blow the sprag... you need
ABOUT 4' in the forward motion to make sure the sprag
is set
Posted By: max_maniac
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 04:47 PM
I have seen a certain racer at Norwalk always go through the lights and then he backs up slow. Gets the top bulb on and waits for the other car to stage. Then he backs into the 2nd light very slow and then puts in in forward gear. He is running a glide. I do not like to see it but no one has ever stopped him from doing it. It is a door car too.
I stage as shallow as possible......
Russ
I stage as shallow as possible......
Russ
Posted By: BradH
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 04:53 PM
Quote:
Unfortunately with all I got
As for staging...
You're killin' me, Al!
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 05:02 PM
Quote:
I like to go in as shallow as possible.
John, In my dragster, I was taught by a good racer to use the slow backup procedure and just turn the lights on and then back off while backing up very slowly. Sitting there with no lights on it doesn’t take much movement to turn on the top bulb and makes staging the long dragsters much easier. At least I though so.
From what you wrote, I take it the racer in question is backing up and cycles the lower bulb and then sits there and leaves the top bulb on; and driving right into stage when the opponent turns on their top bulb. As you said nothing illegal there, but certainly causes a rush for the opponent.
Bob Spleic
Yes this is what they are doing. Both lights are never off.
Posted By: '72CudaRacer
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 07:45 PM
Quote:Quote:
I like to go in as shallow as possible.
John, In my dragster, I was taught by a good racer to use the slow backup procedure and just turn the lights on and then back off while backing up very slowly. Sitting there with no lights on it doesn’t take much movement to turn on the top bulb and makes staging the long dragsters much easier. At least I though so.
From what you wrote, I take it the racer in question is backing up and cycles the lower bulb and then sits there and leaves the top bulb on; and driving right into stage when the opponent turns on their top bulb. As you said nothing illegal there, but certainly causes a rush for the opponent.
Bob Spleic
Yes this is what they are doing. Both lights are never off.
I deal with that also, but most of the racers that do it are slower than me, leaving first. Before I ever turn a light on, I make sure I am ready to go(and depending on who it is, it could take a while
), then when I turn my top light on, they go in and I still got approx 7-10 seconds to get in. I pretty much treat them like someone that double bulbed me. Let'm sit there and stare at that tree. Wanna look way from it? I dare you. Want to play games? OK with me. Brian
Posted By: 340B5
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 08:07 PM
Quote:Quote:Quote:
I like to go in as shallow as possible.
John, In my dragster, I was taught by a good racer to use the slow backup procedure and just turn the lights on and then back off while backing up very slowly. Sitting there with no lights on it doesn’t take much movement to turn on the top bulb and makes staging the long dragsters much easier. At least I though so.
From what you wrote, I take it the racer in question is backing up and cycles the lower bulb and then sits there and leaves the top bulb on; and driving right into stage when the opponent turns on their top bulb. As you said nothing illegal there, but certainly causes a rush for the opponent.
Bob Spleic
Yes this is what they are doing. Both lights are never off.
I deal with that also, but most of the racers that do it are slower than me, leaving first. Before I ever turn a light on, I make sure I am ready to go(and depending on who it is, it could take a while
Brian
One Attaboy for you
10 sec is an eternity.Ebbabody got time fo dat.
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: GOING DEEP - 08/29/13 08:23 PM
Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:
I like to go in as shallow as possible.
John, In my dragster, I was taught by a good racer to use the slow backup procedure and just turn the lights on and then back off while backing up very slowly. Sitting there with no lights on it doesn’t take much movement to turn on the top bulb and makes staging the long dragsters much easier. At least I though so.
From what you wrote, I take it the racer in question is backing up and cycles the lower bulb and then sits there and leaves the top bulb on; and driving right into stage when the opponent turns on their top bulb. As you said nothing illegal there, but certainly causes a rush for the opponent.
Bob Spleic
Yes this is what they are doing. Both lights are never off.
I deal with that also, but most of the racers that do it are slower than me, leaving first. Before I ever turn a light on, I make sure I am ready to go(and depending on who it is, it could take a while
Brian
One Attaboy for you
Ebbabody got time fo dat.
The holding back on the staging plays into their hand and the wrong way to go about it for me. I'm on pump gas and most of them are on alcohol. In a week or to I will be too so it may change my thinking. The carb for my Duster went out this week for the change-over to alcohol and will be going on soon. The Daytona will be sporting a toilet when it returns.