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baddest small block combo ever
Posted By: sc287
baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 01:05 PM
if money wasn't an issue, what would be the combo from block to carb to build the biggest and most powerful small block ever ? all motor, no add-ons. so let me here these combo's guys......
Posted By: dc426
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 01:41 PM
I don't know much about them. But the pro stock truck small blocks were pretty Bad AZZ! I think Patterson was building them
I'm sure someone will chime in.
DC
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 04:07 PM
Drag Race? Road Race? NASCAR? Salt Flats?
Posted By: ademon
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 04:14 PM
Don't forget boat drags/ racing
Posted By: B3422W5
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 04:17 PM
The most potential is going to be from a w8/48 degree deal, but frankly, i have personally not yet seen anything in that configuration NA that runs near what you would "think it should"
Dont know if nobody has hit on the right combo or what, or maybe there are cars out there i dont know of.
If i was going to make " for sure" big power, i would probably use the indy raised port 245 cnc deal on a 48 degree block,430-450 cubes, with lots of compression, big roller, pro systems dominator, light rings, good evac system, etc.
I would think the above combination, well sorted out, would propel any 3000 pound ish car into the 8's easily
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 04:25 PM
Seems like the WoO Sprint Cars make amazing horsepower. Not sure what combo they use, though.
Posted By: OA5599
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 04:27 PM
Digital radio killers couldn't even stop this one.
Posted By: Al_Alguire
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 04:28 PM
Well there are a number of small Hemi's in Comp Eliminator that run pretty dang hard.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 04:30 PM
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If i was going to make " for sure" big power, i would probably use the indy raised port 245 cnc deal on a 48 degree block,430-450 cubes, with lots of compression, big roller, pro systems dominator, light rings, good evac system, etc.
In other words start with a factory Mopar small block, throw it in the dumpster, build an entirely new custom design from scratch, and you'll have a killer engine combo.
Posted By: patrick
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 05:29 PM
well....depends on your definition of a small-block....
you're looking aftermarket block for strength.....
a P5 head probably has more raw HP potential than any W7/8/9,
but there, you're talking very little in common with a factory SBM, save maybe bore centers.
bar none, the latest 5.7/6.1 hemi package has the most potential power of any stock "small block mopar" layout. they share bore spacing, bore, stroke, & main bearing size with older LA motors, and could be lumped into the "small block" category just as easily as a P5 engine or even a 48 degree W7/8/9 motor...
realistically the OEM 6.1 heads, max ported, have as much raw flow potential as a W7/8/9, plus the added benefit of no valve shrouding due to the valves opening up away from the bore...
Posted By: Dragula
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 06:55 PM
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Well there are a number of small Hemi's in Comp Eliminator that run pretty dang hard.
P5 Hemi in my book wins it hands down....985hp proven from them out of only 357 cubes!!!! 7.42 at 181mph in a truck!
Posted By: sixpackbee
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 07:53 PM
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P5 Hemi in my book wins it hands down....
No question.
Posted By: unknown
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 09:10 PM
another one for the R4 block P5 head.
Posted By: weedlayer
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 10:59 PM
mine is pretty bad according to all the eggspurts on this site. wrong parts, wrong, this, wrong that, just plain bad.
Posted By: unknown
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 11:30 PM
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mine is pretty bad according to all the eggspurts on this site. wrong parts, wrong, this, wrong that, just plain bad.
Dont worry every thing will be all right 
Posted By: go green
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/09/08 11:36 PM
P5 set up with GT4788 twin turbos on methanol should be good for 2000 HP.
That would be killer
Posted By: FASTFISH420
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/10/08 12:27 AM
The R4 P5 stuff is way cool,but you cant go real big on the cubes because the block..and those engines are way hard to find..
Here is a good run down on a very high HP small block,with wedge head...
R3 block
60mm cam almost a inch lift
420 to 440 cubic inch
very light weight crank aka,LA enterprise,winberg,etc
GRP rods,
custom Diamond pistons
A double throw down set of W8 10 to 13 degree CFE heads.
CFE sheetmatal manifold
dual 4500 dominators
external single stage peterson oil pump with star vacuum pump.
I think you could make 1050 to 1075hp..yes with a wedge head!!
I also think you could get 1000hp with cast manifold,single four at 420 to 440 inch also
Posted By: AlexP
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/10/08 12:30 AM
We got 384cfm out of a full port production 6.1 casting head with a stock 2.08 valve. Nothing exotic at all. Its the low/mid range numbers that really make the heads stand out.
Posted By: Leon441
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/10/08 01:08 AM
The 6.1 HEMI stuff is awesome no doubt. But, they are limited cubes and valve lift.
The R4/P5 stuff is awesome, Limited cubes
W8 not running good NA and talking up the Indy's Come on put the joint down. 8.4's in a backhalf doorslammer NA aint fast.
I feel a few years ago my 468 CID W8 with a cast intake and single 4-barrel made big power NA. No dyno sheets to prove it but with a nitrous cam and converter it ran 150MPH at 3,400 lbs NA.
The awesome engine would be a 6.1 based hemi aftermarket head and block that could go over 500 inches with sheetmetal intake and 4 split dominators. Or a P7 casting drag race ported with an XR block in place of the Hemi.
Everyone is scared to order a custom billet crank and make big cubic inches. I have ran many larger than 400 inch combos. I'm sorry but the bigger you go the more power they make as long as it can breath.
The match racers Sonny builds for have no better available parts than what is being promised for the small block Mopar. I just don't know why Mopar guys even talk about it. Obviously none have the will to pay for it. I have had a 900 HP small block for sale for over a year. Complete for $20,000. I get the PM's from people who thought they could build cheaper all the time after they find they couldn't. It's hard to see people manufactur parts for the small block mopar when truth is the sales won't pay for the paper it took to draw the plans up.
Leon
Posted By: AlexP
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/10/08 01:12 AM
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The 6.1 HEMI stuff is awesome no doubt. But, they are limited cubes and valve lift.
Cubic inches are not a problem 426 and 440 motors are getting common. Bigger will be coming soon also. Getting a better lifter and rocker assembly is the key. And from working on the new motors I can tell you first hand. I would not want to be the poor sucker stuck trying to adjust valves on one of these....trust me. It will suck.
The power we can make with a 223/227 on a 114 with .557 lift is enough to make a 4300 lb car go 11.50's and faster. Take 1000-1500 lbs out of the chassis and you suddenly have a stupidly simple car that goes sub 10's in the right chassis.
Hey, it could happen...
Posted By: webemopes
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/10/08 01:18 AM
i would have to agree with chris.you could probably reach that horsepower with a 10 degree wedge head.big big motor could get away with less but you still would have to run a cam close to a one inch lift.i don`t care how much you can say money not being brought into the equation,i don`t know of anybody on here that wants to change valvesprings every 4 to 5 passeslike a prostock truck had to.you`re not going to slap on a set of indy heads and go 8`s in a 3000 lb.with ease either.to many of us have tried it with way better stuff than that.
Posted By: FASTFISH420
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/10/08 01:47 AM
With the valvespring technologies there are right now,you could go alot more than 4 to 5 runs on springs..
Know with a 358 inch motor,that would be harder on springs,because the rpms.The best HP making spring right know is the PAC pro stock double spring,but it is a 15 run and out spring..but you cant beat the PSI spring for the price.I had 30 runs on a set of manley nextex with 950 lift going thru the lights at 9300 and shifting at 9000...and they were fine when checked..
Posted By: theraif
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/10/08 02:01 AM
I agree need 500ci custom crank and and a small bail out check from the gov and we all be set
Posted By: bdaz smblk
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/10/08 02:53 AM
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With the valvespring technologies there are right now,you could go alot more than 4 to 5 runs on springs..
Know with a 358 inch motor,that would be harder on springs,because the rpms.The best HP making spring right know is the PAC pro stock double spring,but it is a 15 run and out spring..but you cant beat the PSI spring for the price.I had 30 runs on a set of manley nextex with 950 lift going thru the lights at 9300 and shifting at 9000...and they were fine when checked..
I know Larry Rhodes car has a 1inch lift cam and good springs and he changes springs every 3 to 5 passes.Kenny
Posted By: FASTFISH420
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/10/08 03:13 AM
Kenny,
Sounds like he is throwing his money away..I know BES uses the PAC spring and I think BES builds his motors..I know Butch Kemp ran them and dropped a valve at the last Milan race because he had 40 passes on a set on the exhaust side..they were testing them to see there durability.
I am pretty sure John Langer and Bruce Maichle hurt both there motors at the end of the season also because of the PAC spring..
Posted By: bdaz smblk
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/10/08 03:23 AM
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Kenny,
Sounds like he is throwing his money away..I know BES uses the PAC spring and I think BES builds his motors..I know Butch Kemp ran them and dropped a valve at the last Milan race because he had 40 passes on a set on the exhaust side..they were testing them to see there durability.
I am pretty sure John Langer and Bruce Maichle hurt both there motors at the end of the season also because of the PAC spring..
Hey Chris I now John hurt his pretty bad it's still not back together.I just put the manley nextek 1449's on mine at the beginning of last season When are you going to have your new motor done.Kenny
Posted By: FASTFISH420
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/10/08 03:29 AM
Kenny,
I like the Manleys myself,but I am sticking with the PSI's for now.I might put a set of the PAC's on for the last two months of racing to see if there is any gains...
The motor should be ready for the dyno in Feb,or early March.
Posted By: Al_Alguire
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/10/08 05:56 AM
I have Manleys right now on mine...But since my Brother in Law just took an executive position at PAC I think I need to hit him up for a DEEP discount
Posted By: Leon441
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/14/08 04:25 PM
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The 6.1 HEMI stuff is awesome no doubt. But, they are limited cubes and valve lift.
Cubic inches are not a problem 426 and 440 motors are getting common. Bigger will be coming soon also. Getting a better lifter and rocker assembly is the key. And from working on the new motors I can tell you first hand. I would not want to be the poor sucker stuck trying to adjust valves on one of these....trust me. It will suck.
The power we can make with a 223/227 on a 114 with .557 lift is enough to make a 4300 lb car go 11.50's and faster. Take 1000-1500 lbs out of the chassis and you suddenly have a stupidly simple car that goes sub 10's in the right chassis.
Hey, it could happen...
The tread is baddest small block ever. I talked to the guys with Arrington at PRI about their 440 CID engine. It is limited. When you offset the small end of the rods because you can't get clearance you have met your limit. These engines are a long way away from taking a 3,000 lb car into the mid 8's Normally Aspirated. I like the engines and give them all the credit due with thier limitations, this is why I mentioned them in my post, but they are long way away from the baddest small block combo ever. If someone thinks they have over 1,000 NA with one of these I will be glad to test it and promote it for them.
Leon
Posted By: CRIKEY
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/15/08 12:00 PM
Australian Prostock are limiterd to 400cu small blocks they currently make between 2.65 - 2.7 hp/cu, Team Mopar was extremely competative with a "w"style engine
Posted By: kingdust
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 03:30 AM
im not saying that my small block is the baddest ever but its a stout piece. 394 cid, R3 48 degree block, diamond cyl heads, compression is at 15.2, custom ground comp cams roller, crower lifters, belt drive, ext oil pump, sheetmetal tunnel ram with a single prosystems dominator and a 1" hvh 4 hole spacer, on the dyno the engine made 847HP@ 8100 and 597ft lbs @ 6200. we then put a 1" open spacer under the hvh and it picked up 9HP TO 856 and moved the torque up a couple hundred rpms. that was with out a vacuum pump. it should pick up 20 to 30 HP with a vacuum pump. in a 3000 lb duster with a 4spd im lookin to go 8.80s. hopefully with great track and weather conditions and no driver error 8.70s. thought i'd share that since i love small blocks. all i ever owned was 340s!
Posted By: Dos Snails
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 03:47 AM
I know you said no power adders,but I just cant see a max effort small block without a power adder of some sort. Just one well placed turbo will blow well past the 1000 hp mark easily with less stress...
Posted By: Neil
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 03:54 AM
http://www.spooledproductions.com/EventP.../target253.htmlThis car goes 8.70's at over 150 with a smallblock and no power adder. My brother talked to him once and said it was loosely based on a nascar truck engine with 2 fours on a sheetmetal intake??? Maybe someone else who has seen it knows more? I like this car since it carries the mopar flag well. Tons of character and stupid fast.
Posted By: greendart408
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 04:05 AM
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http://www.spooledproductions.com/EventP.../target253.html
This car goes 8.70's at over 150 with a smallblock and no power adder. My brother talked to him once and said it was loosely based on a nascar truck engine with 2 fours on a sheetmetal intake??? Maybe someone else who has seen it knows more? I like this car since it carries the mopar flag well. Tons of character and stupid fast.
That green challenger is owned by the Hawker boys from Utah. It is bad to the bone. My uncle and I talked to him about it in Idaho a couple yrs back. It was a 408 with a 5spd. It runs those times in 4000ft plus altitude also.
Posted By: Moparnut426
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 04:21 AM
Any small block driven by Bob Glidden!!
Posted By: LA360
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 04:51 AM
Aussie Pro Stock runs at 400ci or under. The P5 is getting too hard to get, so much so that the only Team running a Dodge is getting their own Head castings done locally. They receive quite alot of help from Rick Watters @ Eaton Enterprises. They have run 7 Teens @ 185+ mph in a Brick Avenger. I think from memory the minimum weight is 2400lbs for those things.
P5 is without a doubt the King of small block heads. I would say that P7's would be a close second with the W8's kind of the wedge heads. A properly prepped W8 will out perform damn near any Small Block Wedge Head. Making comparisons with W8 heads that were originally on a Craftsman Truck or some other roundy roundy racing doesn't do a W8 justice.
Just my
anyway
AL....
Posted By: Plumb Wired
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 12:18 PM
Craftsman Truck or some other roundy roundy racing doesn't do a W8 justice.
Just my
anyway
AL....
Ouch that hurt, I guess my junk that ran 8.50's on N2O @ 3350# and in the 4's (1/8 mi.) boosted was just that, JUNK.
Mike Gray
Posted By: Moparnut426
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 12:43 PM
Anyone know exactly what was the combo that Bob Glidden ran?? Just wondering, They shouldnt be that spendy now. Sure they were state of the are back in the day.
Kasey
Posted By: ProSport
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 01:28 PM
I thought PAC springs were suppose to be the shizzle these days.......
Where's Laverne(SB412Duster)? He bracket races consistantly in the mid 8's with a small block.
Posted By: b1n02cuda
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 01:56 PM
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847HP@ 8100 and 597ft lbs @ 6200. we then put a 1" open spacer under the hvh and it picked up 9HP TO 856 and moved the torque up a couple hundred rpms. that was with out a vacuum pump. it should pick up 20 to 30 HP with a vacuum pump. in a 3000 lb duster with a 4spd im lookin to go 8.80s. hopefully with great track and weather conditions and no driver error 8.70s. thought i'd share that since i love small blocks. all i ever owned was 340s!
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but this combo and hp WON'T go 8.7's-8.8's without a power adder in a 3000lb car. Unless your car is 2400-2500 lbs, don't expect it. It takes 900 plus hp to go in the 9.0 range, and that is with everything right.
Posted By: b1n02cuda
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 01:58 PM
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This car goes 8.70's at over 150 with a smallblock and no power adder. My brother talked to him once and said it was loosely based on a nascar truck engine with 2 fours on a sheetmetal intake??? Maybe someone else who has seen it knows more? I like this car since it carries the mopar flag well. Tons of character and stupid fast.
What does it weigh?
Has to be 2500lbs or less!!
Posted By: b1n02cuda
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 02:03 PM
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Ouch that hurt, I guess my junk that ran 8.50's on N2O @ 3350# and in the 4's (1/8 mi.) boosted was just that, JUNK.
Mike Gray
Mike
Your car is far from junk. You race your car on the track, not the dyno or computer keyboard. Just remember, that is the difference here, most of these guys build motors on the desktop dyno, and state what they "SHOULD" run in a perfect world, and have no idea what to put around a good combo to make it go down the track.
Mike, your car is bada$$ without a doubt.
Posted By: b1n02cuda
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 02:07 PM
Oh, and one more thing.
Mike and Leon have tested more small blocks in their cars over the years than you can shake a stick at. So if anyone would know, it would be one of them. Granted, they are class racing, but it was mentioned a 3000lb car. Anyone can throw a couple of hp at a 1500 dragster and go fast, but pushing a aerodynamically challenged musclecar through the air is a totally different ball game.
carry on
Posted By: 40ford
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 02:19 PM
Are you asking about the 331" engines that he used to use?
If you are, I can give you the benefit of an engine that I almost bought about 20 years ago.
It was a 9.30" deck, X block, 4 bolt mains, with a billet lifter bore fixture to yield about 48 degree bore angle. It used a billet Moldex 3.20" crank with a standard 4.040" bore to get the 331". The cam was Isky roller---about .700" lift with Norris rockers. Venolia dome pistons, Venolia aluminum rods---don't remember the rings.
The heads were Diamond aluminum W2s, standard type chamber, 2.12" intake X 1.60" exhaust, fully ported.
The intake was an Edelbrock 2 X 4 tunnel ram intake, with modified plenium, fully ported.
There were a couple of these engine for sale years ago in Chattanooga, TN---don't remember how they ended there. And I am sure he used different versions---there was a lot of R & D going on back then.
Posted By: SB449VALIANT
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 03:33 PM
i have seen at least one engine like that, both runing and at the shop, i think i have some pics. of that wird lifter change and those damionds heads....10000rpm at that time? hard to belive until you see/ hear them scream
Posted By: Neil
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 06:06 PM
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This car goes 8.70's at over 150 with a smallblock and no power adder. My brother talked to him once and said it was loosely based on a nascar truck engine with 2 fours on a sheetmetal intake??? Maybe someone else who has seen it knows more? I like this car since it carries the mopar flag well. Tons of character and stupid fast.
What does it weigh?
Has to be 2500lbs or less!!
I have no idea. I know the hood is fiberglass, but not sure about the rest of it. It's not a lightweight tube frame car with a challenger body over it. The engine must turn 9k at least. Sounds awesome going through the gears.
Posted By: Leon441
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 10:27 PM
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Craftsman Truck or some other roundy roundy racing doesn't do a W8 justice.
Just my anyway
AL....
Ouch that hurt, I guess my junk that ran 8.50's on N2O @ 3350# and in the 4's (1/8 mi.) boosted was just that, JUNK.
Mike Gray
The circle track W8 heads are one of the baddest wedge heads ever done for any small block. They really favor power adders as they sacrifice intake valve for the larger exhaust valve. They also have thicker ports so they can possibly give more trouble free service. But, when you want the best flowing head. There is no argueing over the fact the drag race stuff originally done by CFE outflows the circle track stuff by a mile. Along with any other brand small block wedge heads.
I personally would like to see two W8 engines built alike other than the heads. One with the best circle track W8 and the other with the best drag race W8. NA there is no doubt the drag race head is capable of more HP. Get the bottle or boost in the picture and I just don't know. Depending on how much extra you are trying to make the the circle track head might surprise you. I do know that if you run nitrous on a CFE W8 you can use unbeleivable cam specs to make more power. I know my lobe centers and exhaust lobes would shock most people on here into disbeleif.
Leon
Posted By: Moparnut426
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 11:10 PM
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i have seen at least one engine like that, both runing and at the shop, i think i have some pics. of that wird lifter change and those damionds heads....10000rpm at that time? hard to belive until you see/ hear them scream
PIX please!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: b1dartsport
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/16/08 11:12 PM
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Anyone know exactly what was the combo that Bob Glidden ran?? Just wondering, They shouldnt be that spendy now. Sure they were state of the are back in the day.
Kasey
I'm not sure what Block he ran,but I saw an article once back in '79 about the heads. They were w2s but everything was changed & welded on like some kind of frankenstein head. The block also had the lifter angles changed & cam relocated. It was probably the first 48 deg setup. Randy
Posted By: SB449VALIANT
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 12:19 AM
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Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 12:21 AM
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Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 12:48 AM
Posted By: SB449VALIANT
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 12:49 AM
now if you don't mine 358ci=980plus HP
Posted By: HEMIDARTS
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 12:52 AM
Posted By: DavidDean
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 01:19 AM
My stuff has some growing up to do.Nice pieces!
Posted By: SB449VALIANT
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 01:43 AM
Posted By: SB449VALIANT
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 01:51 AM
first one is a Maskin, second it's from Paterson these engines where built way before pro stock truck ever exist...the one with black v. covers is a more friendly lol
...820HP
Posted By: FASTFISH420
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 01:54 AM
Posted By: kingdust
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 04:47 AM
i got news for you, i only have 4 passes under my belt with my combo and none of those passes were clean runs, i'm already knockin on that 9.0 door and i have'nt even pushed motor hard yet or launched hard yet!. heres more news, that combo, or as a matter of fact my engine, came out of duster that was 3300lbs that ran in SS/AS that went 8.80s. whether you believe it or not, i dont care, i dont think its going to be easy, i still have alot of tuning to do, but im very confident i'll go into the 8s. and when i do i'll post the runs up here for you. merry christmas!
Posted By: HEMIDARTS
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 04:51 AM
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first one is a Maskin, second it's from Paterson these engines where built way before pro stock truck ever exist...the one with black v. covers is a more friendly lol ...820HP
Thanks for the cool pics!
Posted By: 451Mopar
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 07:21 AM
More if money ...questions.
I would try to create a ball-valve cylinderhead with computer controlled valve timming. Since it would have extream air flow and unlimited valve timming, just need to drop the heads on a really strong short block to take the power.
Posted By: LA360
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 11:17 AM
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Craftsman Truck or some other roundy roundy racing doesn't do a W8 justice.
Just my anyway
AL....
Ouch that hurt, I guess my junk that ran 8.50's on N2O @ 3350# and in the 4's (1/8 mi.) boosted was just that, JUNK.
Mike Gray
The circle track W8 heads are one of the baddest wedge heads ever done for any small block. They really favor power adders as they sacrifice intake valve for the larger exhaust valve. They also have thicker ports so they can possibly give more trouble free service. But, when you want the best flowing head. There is no argueing over the fact the drag race stuff originally done by CFE outflows the circle track stuff by a mile. Along with any other brand small block wedge heads.
I personally would like to see two W8 engines built alike other than the heads. One with the best circle track W8 and the other with the best drag race W8. NA there is no doubt the drag race head is capable of more HP. Get the bottle or boost in the picture and I just don't know. Depending on how much extra you are trying to make the the circle track head might surprise you. I do know that if you run nitrous on a CFE W8 you can use unbeleivable cam specs to make more power. I know my lobe centers and exhaust lobes would shock most people on here into disbeleif.
Leon
Sorry if I offended anyone with my comments, but facts are I haven't seen an oval track based normally aspirated WEDGE headed engine make 2.6-2.7+ HP/per cubic inch. Not trying to take anything away from anyone as per their achievements, they're just the facts. Walk through the pits and check out Comp Eliminator, there have been several examples over the time. Comparisons to a boosted or nitrous engine is like an apples to oranges comparison, as Leon stated in a roundabout way.
AL....
Posted By: FASTFISH420
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 12:50 PM
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i got news for you, i only have 4 passes under my belt with my combo and none of those passes were clean runs, i'm already knockin on that 9.0 door and i have'nt even pushed motor hard yet or launched hard yet!. heres more news, that combo, or as a matter of fact my engine, came out of duster that was 3300lbs that ran in SS/AS that went 8.80s. whether you believe it or not, i dont care, i dont think its going to be easy, i still have alot of tuning to do, but im very confident i'll go into the 8s. and when i do i'll post the runs up here for you. merry christmas!
With that kind of power and a good clutch and 4-speed deal at 3000 pounds,it could run the number you are looking for..
Dan Palolini's motor aka mine,back in 01 ran 8.84 at 3150 in a camaro with a nascar set of W8 cfe heads at 410 inches made around 850 horsepower back then!!!with a pro flite behind it on 10.5 tire.
So good luck...
Posted By: wildcargo
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 01:56 PM
I didn't see any thing on Richard Kay and his SB Valiant. I think it is a R3 with W8 heads and something like 358ci runs 8.5s 8.6s at around 3100# car runs SS/BM. I would look up his post on here he goes by Valiantrich, maybe he will see this an give us some info. To say I like his ride would be an understatement, I allways think about E-town at the nationals where he had to spot a SS/AH car and ran him down for the WIN.
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 01:56 PM
What? no one noticed the W8 motor on the floor 367 posted is a SB CHEVY with W8's.... Early Maskin motor. Would a SB Chevy with Mopar heads on it constitute baddest SB mopar combo ever?
Posted By: scottb
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 01:58 PM
I did notice that also Ryan
Posted By: Dos Snails
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 02:15 PM
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What? no one noticed the W8 motor on the floor 367 posted is a SB CHEVY with W8's.... Early Maskin motor. Would a SB Chevy with Mopar heads on it constitute baddest SB mopar combo ever?
Isn't that what a 48* 9 inch deck is anyway? Mine is a 4.125 bore with a 47 * lifter angle & siamese bores with steam holes, starting to sound like a 400 block to me. 
Posted By: kingdust
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 04:19 PM
Thanks bro.I remember reading about that car I coulnt believe it had a smblk mopar in it I thought that was the coolest thing I had seen.is that the motor in your cuda? How fast have you been? That's a nice piece.some people on here just think they know it all.
Posted By: SB449VALIANT
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 04:58 PM
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Thanks bro.I remember reading about that car I coulnt believe it had a smblk mopar in it I thought that was the coolest thing I had seen.is that the motor in your cuda? How fast have you been? That's a nice piece.some people on here just think they know it all.
Posted By: FASTFISH420
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 11:19 PM
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Thanks bro.I remember reading about that car I coulnt believe it had a smblk mopar in it I thought that was the coolest thing I had seen.is that the motor in your cuda? How fast have you been? That's a nice piece.some people on here just think they know it all.
I had it in the car back in 05 to 06,It went as fast as 9.21 at 3100 pounds with a 727 trans..That motor would pull all the way to 9300rpm until it fell off..
The pic I sent acouple post up,Is my old motor I ran in 07.It made more power on the dyno and ran faster,but would not pull like the old motor would.After tear down to freshen it up, had all kinds of problems,heads mostly and also had crank damage and block failure and only had 14 runs on it,It ran good for a half blown up motor.it would run 8.90's high 80's in mind shaft air at 3050,but I only had it 9.0's.
New motor is a 419cube,should be done in the next couple months..it should be a monster!
Posted By: Leon441
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 11:56 PM
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What? no one noticed the W8 motor on the floor 367 posted is a SB CHEVY with W8's.... Early Maskin motor. Would a SB Chevy with Mopar heads on it constitute baddest SB mopar combo ever?
Interesting you brought that up Ryan. My first R block was done for Maskin by Diamond. Maskin decided not to use the 3 R-blocks he had done. So after Chrysler had spent big money on the R-blocks they were sold off for a really fair price. If I remember I bought the one I made the 441 out of for $1,500. It had been stress releived several times, lifters bushed, bored 4.125" and had splayed billet caps.
Leon
I'm going to post a new post but anyone reading this should note there is an ad in ND for a cast tunnel ram intake for SB 2.2. Read the fine print they have one for the P7 heads also. Think it was $1,100.
Posted By: 70AARcuda
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/17/08 11:58 PM
Tom Mettler PST nhra record holder...
Posted By: SB449VALIANT
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/18/08 02:42 AM
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What? no one noticed the W8 motor on the floor 367 posted is a SB CHEVY with W8's.... Early Maskin motor. Would a SB Chevy with Mopar heads on it constitute baddest SB mopar combo ever?
Interesting you brought that up Ryan. My first R block was done for Maskin by Diamond. Maskin decided not to use the 3 R-blocks he had done. So after Chrysler had spent big money on the R-blocks they were sold off for a really fair price. If I remember I bought the one I made the 441 out of for $1,500. It had been stress releived several times, lifters bushed, bored 4.125" and had splayed billet caps.
Leon
You can get one just like that one these days for no less then $5000.00 direct from Maskin Leon...
Posted By: Moparnut426
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/18/08 03:16 AM
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Tom Mettler PST nhra record holder...
What Kinda heads are those,
Posted By: Plumb Wired
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/18/08 03:25 AM
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Tom Mettler PST nhra record holder...
What Kinda heads are those,
P5
Mike Gray
Posted By: b1n02cuda
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/18/08 03:57 AM
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i got news for you, i only have 4 passes under my belt with my combo and none of those passes were clean runs, i'm already knockin on that 9.0 door and i have'nt even pushed motor hard yet or launched hard yet!. heres more news, that combo, or as a matter of fact my engine, came out of duster that was 3300lbs that ran in SS/AS that went 8.80s. whether you believe it or not, i dont care, i dont think its going to be easy, i still have alot of tuning to do, but im very confident i'll go into the 8s. and when i do i'll post the runs up here for you. merry christmas!
I'm sure you will get the spray figured out.
It will probably take another 75-100 shot to go from 9.0's to 8.90's though.
Like I said before. It has to be light or it is not a true n/a motor. That means Gas, no alky, juice, turbo, blower, etc...
And that other car was a very aerodynamic bowtie, not an aerodynamically challenged duster or cuda or any other mopar for that matter. A good friend of mine tuned a 900 hp motor for 3 yrs and couldn't go in the 8's until he put it in a daytona, and bam, there was a 8.8 right off the bat. And that was complete drivetrain, fuel system, ignition system, and wheels and tires too. And the cars were only 50 lbs different.
Dude, I'm not saying it can't be done, but you would be the first, and I can't see you beating guys like Leon, Mike, Marty, and those guys to the punch. They have been there and done that!
Good luck
Merry Christmas to you too 
Posted By: B1Fish540
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/18/08 05:55 AM
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Tom Mettler PST nhra record holder...
What Kinda heads are those,
P5
Mike Gray
Now those are the heads MP should be selling! Not saying the W8s/9s are'nt great...but those P5s are just bad azz... 
Posted By: LA360
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/18/08 12:49 PM
The demand just isn't there for P5 heads. I don't think Mopar has produced them in years. Supply is that poor that as I mentioned in a previous post, a local racer running in Pro Stock has his own P5 style head cast locally.
AL....
Posted By: Plumb Wired
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/18/08 01:02 PM
There was a set of P5's advertised on here last month I believe or it may have been on RJ. Can't find them now so they may have sold. Nice Christmas present for someone!
Mike Gray
Posted By: vc360
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/18/08 10:01 PM
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The demand just isn't there for P5 heads. I don't think Mopar has produced them in years. Supply is that poor that as I mentioned in a previous post, a local racer running in Pro Stock has his own P5 style head cast locally.
AL....
I thought Slawko did their heads AL. Some guys on his team dont know its a small block lol.
Posted By: LA360
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/18/08 10:01 PM
I know Patterson's had a set of castings listed on their garage sale section of their site for quite a while, whether they sold or not, who really knows.
AL....
Posted By: FASTFISH420
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/18/08 10:18 PM
There were acouple 358 inch P5 complete motors for sale in National Dragster last month?
Posted By: Leon441
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/18/08 11:44 PM
There was a P5 engine complete at the Mopar swapmeet in Indy last year. Most people walked by scratching their heads. Someone asked me what it was. I told them for the size the baddest small block setup going to date. That got repeated several times before I could walk out of hearing range. LOL
Posted By: jim sciortino
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/19/08 02:21 PM
Paul Ricci has been 8.1 at around 2800# N/A.
Posted By: kingdust
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/19/08 03:02 PM
is your new motor close to the old combonation with more cubes or a whole new combo? what gear and tire are you running to go through at 9300?. are you limited by the class rules. im going to run the ram N/A gforce 10.5 class this year, i think i can be competitive. theres like 3 or 4 cars going high 850s 860s and its a all run field so if i can run 9.0s high 8s i'll be good. i have a good car i just have to refine a few things. hope that motor turns out good for you. MARK.
Posted By: kingdust
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/19/08 04:08 PM
i never said i had spray on the car. But i here what your saying, like i said in my first post everything would have to be rite to run those #s. im sure those guys your talkin about have alot of experience and been at it along time, ( i dont know who they are by first names). maybe you thought i thought it was going to be an easy deal, i know no matter how much HP you have you have to get to the ground, i know what the motor made on the dyno, i also know we could have got more from it, but after 10 pulls and all day there we decided it was enough and were happy.i put the motor in the car and after a little testing it showed good #s and theres still alot i have to iron out. so if i hit those #s this year, great! if not i'll come back hard next year, doesnt make those guys any less knowledgable. like you said everything has to be rite, track,weather,tuneup etc. and hard work. we dont have a track on long island, i got to travel 3 hrs to atco just to test! sometimes i only get 2 runs and you cant learn hardly anything. so it might take 3 years! take care.
Posted By: SHEPP
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/19/08 08:46 PM
is there anyone out there that has or is using any of the new (5.7, 6.1 or stroked)hemi for drag racing only in a lighter car than the LX cars with success?
Posted By: HotRodDave
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/19/08 11:50 PM
Do you guys consider the new hemis small blocks? Just wondering every ones opinions.
Posted By: FASTFISH420
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 12:20 AM
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is your new motor close to the old combonation with more cubes or a whole new combo? what gear and tire are you running to go through at 9300?. are you limited by the class rules. im going to run the ram N/A gforce 10.5 class this year, i think i can be competitive. theres like 3 or 4 cars going high 850s 860s and its a all run field so if i can run 9.0s high 8s i'll be good. i have a good car i just have to refine a few things. hope that motor turns out good for you. MARK.
Completely new build,new heads,block,cam,valvetrain,The only part I kept was the crank and I am re-using the rods.
The 9300rpm was with the old old motor.I use either a 5.13 or 5.38,with a 29.5 10.5 stiff tire.I usually shift at around 8700 to 9000...conveter will flash almost 8000 off the brake.
Posted By: B1Fish540
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 04:03 AM
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Do you guys consider the new hemis small blocks? Just wondering every ones opinions.
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well....depends on your definition of a small-block....
you're looking aftermarket block for strength.....
a P5 head probably has more raw HP potential than any W7/8/9,
but there, you're talking very little in common with a factory SBM, save maybe bore centers.
bar none, the latest 5.7/6.1 hemi package has the most potential power of any stock "small block mopar" layout. they share bore spacing, bore, stroke, & main bearing size with older LA...
...realistically the OEM 6.1 heads, max ported, have as much raw flow potential as a W7/8/9, plus the added benefit of no valve shrouding due to the valves opening up away from the bore...
Posted By: SCDaytona
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 02:10 PM
Two cars in SS/AM both make over 1000 Hp N/A. One has already been mentioned is Paul Ricci. he has I believe a 408" W8 motor. The other is Scott Gove and he ran a 358" W8 motor to 8.1's and now has a P5 motor where he has run as quick as 7.976. He presently has the SS/AM record at 8.03 set this year. His car is a stick car which is cool to watch. Both of these cars are around 2750 to 2800 pounds
Posted By: ValiantRich
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 03:00 PM
Scott Gove told me that he really can't determine if the P5 motor is faster than his old W8 motor. The car is faster now because he made some changes to the car to take weight out of it. He was overweight for the class when he had the W8 motor in it. Both motors are 358 cubic inch.
Posted By: ValiantRich
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 03:08 PM
My SS/BM 69 Valiant has run 8.65 @ 154 at 3,050 lbs. with a 374" W8 motor. I run a 33" tall tire with 5.83 gears, 8,500 stall converter, shift at 9,400 and go over the line at 9,900.
Posted By: Leigh
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 03:26 PM
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My SS/BM 69 Valiant has run 8.65 @ 154 at 3,050 lbs. with a 374" W8 motor. I run a 33" tall tire with 5.83 gears, 8,500 stall converter, shift at 9,400 and go over the line at 9,900.
Given the fact that your car is only 50 lbs lighter and 14 fewer cubic inches than my Dart, I can only imagine how much fun that deal is to point down the track. Awesome.
Posted By: jim sciortino
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 03:44 PM
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My SS/BM 69 Valiant has run 8.65 @ 154 at 3,050 lbs. with a 374" W8 motor. I run a 33" tall tire with 5.83 gears, 8,500 stall converter, shift at 9,400 and go over the line at 9,900.
Now that is a cool car!!!
Posted By: Get-X
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 04:03 PM
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My SS/BM 69 Valiant has run 8.65 @ 154 at 3,050 lbs. with a 374" W8 motor. I run a 33" tall tire with 5.83 gears, 8,500 stall converter, shift at 9,400 and go over the line at 9,900.
SS/BM Valiant! Awesome car, must be a riot to drive/hear as it's buzzing thru the traps at 10,000 RPM 
Posted By: HotRodDave
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 04:20 PM
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My SS/BM 69 Valiant has run 8.65 @ 154 at 3,050 lbs. with a 374" W8 motor. I run a 33" tall tire with 5.83 gears, 8,500 stall converter, shift at 9,400 and go over the line at 9,900.
SS/BM Valiant! Awesome car, must be a riot to drive/hear as it's buzzing thru the traps at 10,000 RPM
Got a vidio with sound
Posted By: ValiantRich
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 04:34 PM
I can build an 8 second car but I don't know how to attach the video. ????????
Posted By: knyech1
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 06:08 PM
Weeell if money were a constraint and/or you wanted to stay with mostly factory parts, Vic runs a stock stroke NA 340. Should be in the 9's. Factory heads he ported, factory block, factory steel crank he lightened. All in shop.
Posted By: knyech1
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 06:09 PM
Little head porting pic
Posted By: Dragula
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 06:22 PM
This one was a pretty bad small block. Sorry, I don't recall what it ran though.
Posted By: 70AARcuda
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/20/08 07:51 PM
John Edwards out of Arizona has the NHRA C/AA national record at 7.40 @ 182+ with his 90 Neon P5 engine..
another small block from Rick Watter from Eaton Enterprise.
Posted By: wildcargo
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/21/08 03:18 PM
Rich knows how much I like his car. If you are at a NHRA div 1 race keep an eye out for that Valiant you won't be disapointed. I got to watch him run in the outher lane at a T&T at Atco, he was out packing the shoot and I had just shifted in to second gear
that car realy leaves
.
Posted By: Leon441
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/21/08 03:35 PM
Hearing some of these ET's these guys run with these engines is awesome. Especially when you read they are not light. Anything 2,800 or more is not real light. I realize these guys also run sheetmetal intakes that's good for some extra power.
My question is....
Has anyone with one of these heavy cars running one of these screamers been able to do it with a powerglide?
If so I want a converter just like theirs. I have been beating on my small block and just can't get the car to ET. I feel my MPH is OK. Could always be better. But. I am satisfied with 153MPH in a 2,925 car with full exhaust and an unported cast intake. I am just really disqusted with the ET. I can not run my car in comp due to the front suspension. And the only street classes that I could run in my car is over the line for that too. The engine does not suit my interests anymore, that's why it is for sale. But, if I could borrow or buy that perfect converter that would take the anker off my car through the 330 I feel my ET would come to life. This sure would help sell this engine.
Leon
Posted By: FASTFISH420
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/21/08 05:00 PM
All these cars are killer cars,but you are also talking about full tube chassis cars some ex pro-stock cars with pro-flites and liberty's,at 2800 pounds or less,with big tires and a ton of R/D work to get them to run that fast.Rich's car is a exception ,because it is a older bodied car.Props to him with running those numbers
Guys,look at the nmca pro stock and nmra hot street small block cars,These cars are amazingly fast with small tires and heavy weights,I will post a engine pic out of a NMCA record holders car,this car has been in the 8.30's before!but,that said,your are talking open wallets with lots of R/D,you are talking stuipid money!!!
This is a 23 degree chevy head motor with Mopar 420 intake.
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/21/08 07:45 PM
Man another 420 intake.... We should start a post to see who all has a 420 intake.... JimS from MP told me at PRI show only 29 of those manifolds were ever cast.... I was blown away by that low # because I've owned about 5 of them at one time or another. I can think of at least 6 people that have them on their cars at the moment.... & I get at least one call a week from GM guys looking for them.
Posted By: SCDaytona
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/21/08 07:47 PM
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Hearing some of these ET's these guys run with these engines is awesome. Especially when you read they are not light. Anything 2,800 or more is not real light. I realize these guys also run sheetmetal intakes that's good for some extra power.
My question is....
Has anyone with one of these heavy cars running one of these screamers been able to do it with a powerglide?
If so I want a converter just like theirs. I have been beating on my small block and just can't get the car to ET. I feel my MPH is OK. Could always be better. But. I am satisfied with 153MPH in a 2,925 car with full exhaust and an unported cast intake. I am just really disqusted with the ET. I can not run my car in comp due to the front suspension. And the only street classes that I could run in my car is over the line for that too. The engine does not suit my interests anymore, that's why it is for sale. But, if I could borrow or buy that perfect converter that would take the anker off my car through the 330 I feel my ET would come to life. This sure would help sell this engine.
Leon
Leon: Paul Ricci ran a glide at 2800 lbs for years and it would 60' around 1.17 to 1.18 at the time. It left real hard when he ran the Baracuda and then the Avenger. He did pick up 0.15 when he switched to the Profilte though. He uses A-1's 7" converters. Just an FYI: My car also picked up 0.15 in the 1/4 with the proflite and almost 4 MPH over the glide. Paul is usually at the East coast divisionals and NHRA events like Englishtown and Maple grove. Nice guy to talk to.
Posted By: ITSDUSTA416
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/21/08 07:58 PM
A 472CI Indy headed small block
Posted By: ValiantRich
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/22/08 03:27 AM
Leon, the best place to get a Powerglide converter that I know is A-1. Send Marv your dyno sheet and talk to him about your combination and I am sure he can fix you up with the right converter. I know that you will go faster with a pro flite though. My mph is similar to yours. It usually goes 151 or 152 and it only went 154 a couple of times. I do have a sheet metal intake with 2 1050 Dominators.
Posted By: B1Fish540
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/22/08 07:19 AM
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Leon, the best place to get a Powerglide converter that I know is A-1. Send Marv your dyno sheet and talk to him about your combination and I am sure he can fix you up with the right converter. I know that you will go faster with a pro flite though. My mph is similar to yours. It usually goes 151 or 152 and it only went 154 a couple of times. I do have a sheet metal intake with 2 1050 Dominators.
Where do you get a "pro flite"? cant find a web site for them.
Posted By: 70AARcuda
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/22/08 07:32 AM
try dave smith at pro trans in palmdale, ca
or
marvin ripes at A-1 Automatics...in south california somewhere...
Posted By: LA360
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/22/08 11:23 AM
I was pretty sure that Pro Trans machined them up for A1. There is around 20-30 different 1st & 2nd ratios available from memory
AL....
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/22/08 11:47 AM
Friend of mine in Finland has quite stout smallblock:
-mopar aluminium block 434 cu
-w8 le mans heads
-sheet metal intake home made+2xholley 1050
-autoshop nitrous cam
-callies-crank + bme-rods + cp-pistons
-weiss dry sump home made oil pan
-2 stage nos fogger
-east&west clutch 3disk
-titanium lenco 5 speed
60 ft 1.12
1/8 4.80
1/4 7.60 mild tune up 250 shot (more to come!)
weight 2500lbs
Posted By: ValiantRich
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/22/08 01:32 PM
All of the proflites come from Dave Smith at Pro Trans. I bought mine from Marv Ripes at A-1. I also use Marv's 7" converter. Marv recently sold A-1 but he still works there. They moved from California to Washington. Phone numbers are the same and is listed in National Dragster. There are many different gear ratios available. I run a 2.13 first gear.
Posted By: jim sciortino
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 12/22/08 02:07 PM
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Man another 420 intake.... We should start a post to see who all has a 420 intake.... JimS from MP told me at PRI show only 29 of those manifolds were ever cast.... I was blown away by that low # because I've owned about 5 of them at one time or another. I can think of at least 6 people that have them on their cars at the moment.... & I get at least one call a week from GM guys looking for them.
We have a 420 on our 417.
Posted By: S/ST 3040
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 10/16/10 04:56 PM
This post is quite old but, worthy of another bump to the top.
I save these old posts. Interesting information and pictures.
Posted By: fishy340
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 10/16/10 11:28 PM
valiantrich aka richie k,that car was one quick sb..use to see it all the time
Posted By: thehemikid
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 10/17/10 12:13 AM
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Re: baddest small block combo ever - 10/17/10 12:16 AM
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Posted By: StrkrDart69
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 10/17/10 01:11 AM
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My SS/BM 69 Valiant has run 8.65 @ 154 at 3,050 lbs. with a 374" W8 motor. I run a 33" tall tire with 5.83 gears, 8,500 stall converter, shift at 9,400 and go over the line at 9,900.
Anybody get video of thus car yet? I would like to see and hear it run.
Posted By: one bad fish
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 10/17/10 04:23 AM
all i can say small blocks rule
Posted By: stage3
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 10/17/10 05:25 AM
My own opinion and I will not place them in order of baddest.......
Bob Gliddens Arrow
Ricks ss/bm Valiant
Don't know owner name but the was a Dodge that ran in comp elim. about ten years ago and had a twin turbo small block that ran 6"s
I know it's not a small blcok but Billy Giggs L/A Daytona that ran ran low 9's with a srt4 motor.....Just my 2 cents
Posted By: stage3
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 10/17/10 05:29 AM
Sorry but meant Billy Gibbs who now runs a SS 68 Dart......
Posted By: tubtar
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 10/17/10 07:03 AM
Ken , the Finnish Flash ( MAFO on the forum ) is awful quick with his " street " car.
Technology with these things seems to go in spurts , but with the advent of the new Hemi's , I am afraid that any new " latest and greatest " tricks are gonna be one offs by individual builders / racers.
The availability of blocks , head castings , cam cores etc. seems to be finite .......... though blocks have gotten a small dose of good news recently.
But we seem to be the red headed step children of the performance world.
Posted By: cheapstreetdustr
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 10/17/10 03:47 PM
surely alot has changed in almost 3 yrs. since this post started.?
cheapst.
Posted By: mafo
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 10/22/10 11:48 AM
I have been away for a few days and you guys are already talking behind my back...the finnish flash
fakt is that those guys in SS modified are lightyears ahead, I have no idea how they can run low eights, sure they have a bit more power and better cars, but still
Posted By: DtownFire
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 07/27/18 03:53 PM
I know this post is old as heck. but I just saw this engine here in Michigan and I purchased the one with the Black covers.
Posted By: Biginchmopar
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 07/30/18 05:46 PM
Look at the difference in 10 years, W8 & W9 are real good but P5 still the king.
A lot of combos real close to 1000hp now with W heads now.
Posted By: LA360
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 07/31/18 09:26 AM
I would have expected more R5/P7 engines to be worth mentioning by now, but most guys running them take a cup spec engine and run with them.
I know there is a CFE ported set of P7 heads around somewhere, hopefully they make it on to something. The P7 is a very very good head.
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 07/31/18 12:36 PM
Most of the guys with some of these combos won’t spend the money and the time testing to get the right convertor to make them really shine.
Posted By: cuda499
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 08/01/18 12:33 AM
P5 Hemi in my book wins it hands down....
No question.
P-5 head is the king...….. Nothing else is even close
Posted By: LA360
Re: baddest small block combo ever - 08/01/18 01:37 AM
Most of the guys with some of these combos won’t spend the money and the time testing to get the right convertor to make them really shine.
Very true John
