External Oiling System Question

Posted By: cool70cuda

External Oiling System Question - 03/16/13 03:50 AM

Has anyone used the Milodon oil system part #21010 with a stock K frame? It's supposed to work with a stock K frame but I'm having trouble figuring out how to route the hose. Any pictures or help would be great!

Thanks,
Bill

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Posted By: 52savoy

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/16/13 05:34 AM

I've got a single line and Milodon pan but I use the rear exit. I'll check to see if I have any pictures..

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Posted By: PC-CHARGER

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/16/13 03:34 PM

There are a couple ways to route the line but it usually requires some modification to the K member or even cutting a fitting and rewelding to a specific angle. You can make it fit if you cut a 90 degree fitting and reweld it so that it points down through the steering box mount. This method means you have to install the line on the pump but not on the pan pickup with the engine out of the vehicle. You thread the line down through the steering box mount as you lower the engine in place and then connect it to the pan.

Sorry, no pictures of this method but a good friend of mine went this route and it works well and has the added bonus of a very short pickup line.

Posted By: PC-CHARGER

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/16/13 03:37 PM

Another method is to fabricate a U shaped tube and bring the line forward under the oil filter and then back along side the pan. This requires a small notch to be cut in the steering mount. It utilizes a longer line but can be fully assembled before dropping the engine into place. This is the route I took with mine and here are three pictures of this method.

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Posted By: PC-CHARGER

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/16/13 03:38 PM

Posted By: PC-CHARGER

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/16/13 03:38 PM

Posted By: 66er

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/16/13 04:18 PM

I used a 90 degree hose end, turned the fitting on the cover to 12:oo up, and routed the hose down through the k-member. I also pointed the pan fitting straight foward. You can do this by just adding one of these 90 degree couplings http://www.summitracing.com/parts/aer-fbm3158/overview/ . The hose hangs a little lower but stays way clear of the headers. sorry, but I don't have any pictures.

Posted By: cool70cuda

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/16/13 08:45 PM

PC-Charger, I'm prepared to make some modifications to the K frame if necessary. I looked at the area near the steering box and thought it might work through there with some help. When I got the system, I pictured it running around the front under the oil filter and along the pan like you did yours. However, it won't work with the supplied fittings and hose, its to tight of a turn for the hose to work. I'd really like to see your buddy's set up, if there is any way you could get a photo of it?

Posted By: slax69gts

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/16/13 09:08 PM

i have read that the line from the pan to the pump, before it goes into the pump,should be higher than the cover inlet so when the engine is not running the pump will have a ready supply of oil (primed). i will be doing this to mine. just is a good idea...

Posted By: cool70cuda

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/16/13 09:16 PM

That sounds like how 66er did his. I'm not sure that I have the space to do it that way.

Posted By: slax69gts

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/16/13 09:28 PM

yah, i am using elephant ears and fenderwell headers so i have alot of real estate to play with. remember to use a filter with a pressure rating for your pump. a buddy said he blew a filter last year but for what ever reason they run 80 psi. keep us posted.

Posted By: PC-CHARGER

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 12:33 AM

I just emailed my friend and asked him to post some pictures if he has them. They will be posted by user Big Wedge.

Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 01:30 AM

Hi Bill,

This is the way I did mine. There are a number of pictures so I will try to explain as I go. The modifications also include the pan and the pump itself.

The first set of pictures is of the line. I had to make my own oddball fitting to an angle that would point through the engine/steering box support.

Garth

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Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 01:32 AM

The next 2 pictures are from the bottom looking up.

Garth

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Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 01:33 AM

2nd picture from the bottom.

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Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 01:34 AM

This is a close up of the modified fitting.

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Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 01:35 AM

Here is a shot from the top.

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Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 01:35 AM

And another.....

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Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 01:38 AM

I made my own crowsfoot wrench to get at the hose connection. This way I can take off the line when I pull the engine. It was easier to do than I thought.

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Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 01:41 AM

Another item to keep in mind is the Milodons are notorious for spitting out the interface gasket with only 2 fasteners. My machine installed a couple more for good measure. It has worked without any problems.

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Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 01:44 AM

The next series of 3 pictures is of the baffle I adding into the rear of the sump. I wanted to make sure the oil stayed in the sump area during launch at the track. It doesn�t have to be completely tight and welded all around as long as you are providing some oil control. Again, I have never experienced 0 oil pressure at the race track with this arrangement.

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Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 01:45 AM

2nd

Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 01:47 AM

� and 3rd. As you can see, I also placed the pickup at the rear of the sump. This aids in picking up oil on launch. I hope this helps.

Garth

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Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 01:54 AM

Bill,

I found another picture of Rick's oil line.

Garth

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Posted By: Gabby63

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 04:35 AM

Hey guys , I don't want to hijack the post but can you purchase the sump in the pan and oil line and the Milodon pump cover as a kit ? If so where ? I have been wanting to have the external set up like this but never pursued it . Gary

Posted By: PC-CHARGER

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 05:58 AM

I believe it is still available as a kit although it uses the old style pump cover that has the gasket issue that Garth mentioned. Here's a link to the kit at Summit.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-21010/overview/year/1970/make/dodge/model/charger

The new style cover Milodon offers is a one piece unit that does not have the gasket problem but it does not come with the pickup, lines and fittings. Here's a link to that cover.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-21215/overview/year/1970/make/dodge/model/charger

There are others who make the one piece pump cover as well and Milodon sells their pickup seperately as well here:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-21300/overview/make/dodge

The lines and fittings are all standard -10 AN braided line available most anywhere.

Posted By: cool70cuda

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 05:45 PM

Gary,
The #21010 system kit now comes with the new one piece pump cover. I got mine from Jegs and they said they don't have any of the older 2 piece covers left.
Bill

Posted By: cool70cuda

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 06:10 PM

Garth & Rick, that is some great documentation! I thought I was the only one who took a bunch of step by step photos of everything

seeing the pics make it much easier to understand

Garth, the modified fitting coming out of the pump cover would be my biggest problem...That is some awesome skill cutting and welding up that fitting

I don't have that skill and not sure any of my friends do either.

Rick, the tubing you used, is it welded or soldered?

Also, question for all: Are you using the "O" ring at the connection/fitting at the pan or a gasket of some sort...or both?

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Posted By: cool70cuda

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 06:17 PM

Gary, This is what came in the kit plus the pick up/sump for the pan. The pump was extra.

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Posted By: cool70cuda

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 06:29 PM

66er - Any chance you might be able to take a few pics of your set up?

Posted By: MRMOPAR

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 06:38 PM

BigWedge - looks like that block was ventilated in one picture.

Posted By: Stanton

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 09:10 PM

Because the pickup and fitting are not pipe thread you need sealant on the threads. You need the o ring between the pickup and pan to prevent seepage. The big washer is just there as support for the thin sheet metal of the pan.

Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 11:43 PM

Quote:

Garth & Rick, that is some great documentation! I thought I was the only one who took a bunch of step by step photos of everything seeing the pics make it much easier to understand

Garth, the modified fitting coming out of the pump cover would be my biggest problem...That is some awesome skill cutting and welding up that fitting I don't have that skill and not sure any of my friends do either.

Rick, the tubing you used, is it welded or soldered?

Also, question for all: Are you using the "O" ring at the connection/fitting at the pan or a gasket of some sort...or both?

Bill, the fitting was not too bad to make. I just cut out a V from a 90 and filed it by hand until it lined up with the opening in the cross member. A friend of mine did the TIG welding. Remember, this is under suction, not pressure.

I remember having to fiddle with the pickup. I forget how I did this. Now you understand why I have some many pictures. LOL. My best recollection was I discarded the o-ring. I used an aluminum washer on the outside of the pan. I had a friend thread it to better align it on the fitting but that is not necessary. Then I used silicone on either side of the sump wall to seal.

Garth

Posted By: Big Wedge

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/17/13 11:52 PM

Quote:

BigWedge - looks like that block was ventilated in one picture.

Yup. That is now my mock up block for myself and Mopar friends.

Garth

Posted By: PC-CHARGER

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/18/13 02:08 AM

The tubing is welded. I don't think soldering would hold in this application. It was fabricated from two 90 degree Aeroquip adapters.

As for the fitting in the pan, I used a washer kit from Doty manufacturing that is made specifically for this application. It is a large aluminum washer that is relieved for an "O" ring on the inner circumference.

http://dotymi.com

Garth's method or mine each require some welding although it is minor and any welding shop would likely do it for a minimal charge. I would think that a longer piece of braided steel line could be looped under the oil filter in place of the steel line I used and would eliminate any welding but the line would have to be supported so it doesn't rub somewhere.

Posted By: hemi-itis

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/18/13 02:32 AM

I use a dual set up,but I recommend using a prefilter also

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Posted By: Polarapete

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/18/13 03:44 AM

Bump

Posted By: Gabby63

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/18/13 06:23 PM

Thanks for the info , Now I kind of know what to expect & what the history is on those components . Will be getting this soon . Gary

Posted By: Dodgem

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/18/13 06:56 PM

Mine is dual line

crude luck at where it went

now with andy's motor plate

Posted By: cool70cuda

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/30/13 05:08 AM

I finally had a chance to get some things mocked up and after messing with it a bit I think I might go this way with it. Thoughts?

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Posted By: cool70cuda

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/30/13 05:10 AM

Posted By: cool70cuda

Re: External Oiling System Question - 03/30/13 05:11 AM