Chevy guys got it easy.

Posted By: hemicop

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/06/12 10:32 PM

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once you get into the real race stuff the price difference disapeers.

True, but the Mopar stuff is simply harder to come by. TRY buying Hemi parts or hardcore racing Mopar stuff, then try finding someone who can screw it all together properly. This car stuff is a hobby for me & while all engines suck, bang 'n blow, let's face it--each has their own quirks that seperate a good running engine from a great one. Mopar's, again my opinion, take a little more finesse to assemble & run with a Chevy (not a bad thing) but if you think you're gonna run your smallblock Mopar or Hemi like you run a SBC or BBC, you're crazy. You'll wind up with a bushel of broken parts. THAT'S what I'm talking about.

Posted By: qwkmopardan

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 12:40 AM

quote: "if you think you're gonna run your smallblock Mopar or Hemi like you run a SBC or BBC, you're crazy. You'll wind up with a bushel of broken parts."

You got it mixed up, if you try to run a sbc or bbc like a Mopar you will end up with a bushel of broken parts. The Mopar engines are engineered way more heavy duty than the Chevy junk. Put modern lighter, stronger parts in your Mopar engine they will outrun and out live any similar prepared chevy engine.

I have several junkyard block, junkyard headed SB Mopar engines with flat tappet cams, flat top pistons, on gas that will out run many alcohol burning, roller cammed, dome-top piston, aftermarket aluminum headed, aftermarket block sbc in similar weight cars

Car in picture has a junkyard block and heads SB Mopar with 1400+ runs and is still going strong. Short block has never been disassembled nor have the heads had a valve job. I changed the valve springs twice and the rod bearings twice after smashing the oil pan doing huge wheelies. The $10000 winnings from the 2008 wheelstand contest at Byron could damn near build 2 more engines just like it. Just won the $2500 FB race Sat. at the turkey trot race in Holly Springs MS

9.68 at 136mph--1.261 60ft.--3050#--factory 360 block and smog year heads from a maxi van church bus at speedway salvage

Posted By: OhioMopar

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 12:55 AM

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quote: "if you think you're gonna run your smallblock Mopar or Hemi like you run a SBC or BBC, you're crazy. You'll wind up with a bushel of broken parts."

You got it mixed up, if you try to run a sbc or bbc like a Mopar you will end up with a bushel of broken parts. The Mopar engines are engineered way more heavy duty than the Chevy junk. Put modern lighter, stronger parts in your Mopar engine they will outrun and out live any similar prepared chevy engine.

I have several junkyard block, junkyard headed SB Mopar engines with flat tappet cams, flat top pistons, on gas that will out run many alcohol burning, roller cammed, dome-top piston, aftermarket aluminum headed, aftermarket block sbc in similar weight cars

Car in picture has a junkyard block and heads SB Mopar with 1400+ runs and is still going strong. Short block has never been disassembled nor have the heads had a valve job. I changed the valve springs twice and the rod bearings twice after smashing the oil pan doing huge wheelies. The $10000 winnings from the 2008 wheelstand contest at Byron could damn near build 2 more engines just like it.

9.68 at 136mph--1.261 60ft.--3050#--factory 360 block and smog year heads from a maxi van church bus at speedway salvage

Sweet!!

Posted By: Leon441

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 01:24 AM

I'm sure it was a deal. But, 4.125" bore. That's it. I remember a few years ago once the R3 had came out I could buy the original R blocks for $600 a peice all day long. They will go 4.125" bore with no proble. But, the mopar guys said but so and so says I have to have an R3.

This Chevy block is cheap because they are having trouble selling them. Supply and demand. They have a large supply and can not get a big price. SO they are selling them off cheap. Not to say it is not a good buy or anything.

Posted By: Streetwize

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 01:35 AM

Chevys big issue and the reason the SBC stuff is getting so cheap is because everybody is opting to go LS, even a junkyard 5.3 out of any silvers do will make 500 reliable HP with not much more that a cam intake (carb) swap and ported heads.

Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 02:06 AM

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I'm sure it was a deal. But, 4.125" bore. That's it. I remember a few years ago once the R3 had came out I could buy the original R blocks for $600 a peice all day long. They will go 4.125" bore with no proble. But, the mopar guys said but so and so says I have to have an R3.

This Chevy block is cheap because they are having trouble selling them. Supply and demand. They have a large supply and can not get a big price. SO they are selling them off cheap. Not to say it is not a good buy or anything.

I'am not an expert on blocks but I just bought one and Dam it looks nice to me and they go 4.165 My builder had nothing but good things to say about it. Iam thinking about getting a second one for a back up as i have two rotating assemblies for my new little ride. Also let me add to this to say the Chevy guys do have it good as there is so many parts to pick from it is Fun picking them.

Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 02:41 AM

http://www.theengineshop.com/products/engine-blocks/chrysler-big-blocks/440w-aluminum-block.html

Posted By: MegaDart

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 03:37 AM

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I think it's the difference between the people who like to build cars and the people who like to race cheap

racing cheap is an oxymoron...
I call it racing smart

Posted By: MRMOPAR622

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 02:52 PM

chevy parts are cheaper because so many different people that make them,everybody and their brother makes good chevy parts.With more sources to buy chevy parts from,the sources have to compete against each other and not only make better parts,but have to sell them at a cheaper price.
Us Mopar racers have only 2 sources if we want to build or buy Fast Hi-Powered engines.Indy or B1 their or enough of us Mopar racers that they don't even have to compete against each other.And most of the Mopar racers try to put either Indy or B1 out of business,and when other companies see this they are not even going to think about making any Mopar parts.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 02:58 PM

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chevy parts are cheaper because so many different people that make them,everybody and their brother makes good chevy parts.With more sources to buy chevy parts from,the sources have to compete against each other and not only make better parts,but have to sell them at a cheaper price.
Us Mopar racers have only 2 sources if we want to build or buy Fast Hi-Powered engines.Indy or B1 their or enough of us Mopar racers that they don't even have to compete against each other.And most of the Mopar racers try to put either Indy or B1 out of business,and when other companies see this they are not even going to think about making any Mopar parts.

FACT!

Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 03:24 PM

Bob, What manifold would you use for 400 CI 3.750 x 4.125 Lunati cam #40120910 640-645 W 1.6 rockers 4150 carb. This is for a altered

Thanks gary

Posted By: hemicop

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 03:31 PM

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quote: "if you think you're gonna run your smallblock Mopar or Hemi like you run a SBC or BBC, you're crazy. You'll wind up with a bushel of broken parts."

You got it mixed up, if you try to run a sbc or bbc like a Mopar you will end up with a bushel of broken parts. The Mopar engines are engineered way more heavy duty than the Chevy junk. Put modern lighter, stronger parts in your Mopar engine they will outrun and out live any similar prepared chevy engine.

I have several junkyard block, junkyard headed SB Mopar engines with flat tappet cams, flat top pistons, on gas that will out run many alcohol burning, roller cammed, dome-top piston, aftermarket aluminum headed, aftermarket block sbc in similar weight cars

Car in picture has a junkyard block and heads SB Mopar with 1400+ runs and is still going strong. Short block has never been disassembled nor have the heads had a valve job. I changed the valve springs twice and the rod bearings twice after smashing the oil pan doing huge wheelies. The $10000 winnings from the 2008 wheelstand contest at Byron could damn near build 2 more engines just like it. Just won the $2500 FB race Sat. at the turkey trot race in Holly Springs MS

9.68 at 136mph--1.261 60ft.--3050#--factory 360 block and smog year heads from a maxi van church bus at speedway salvage

Congrats!

My response to that is that you're obviously an engine BUILDER, not just an enthusist which justifys my original comment. Your car obviously runs well, you maintain it at a level that keeps it consistent, but I'd hardly call it the norm. Its consistency at winning proves that. I never said there was anything wrong with "junkyard parts" & if you can get 'em to run like that, great. My contention is that given a fixed amount (say 5k) an average individual would get more RELIABLE, more enduring HP & have an easier time acquiring knowledge & parts for a sbc than he would a Mopar---don't shoot the messenger, that's just how the World is.........
And while I will concede that guys are getting Hemis & 440s to spin way-up there, they also have to replace parts far sooner than the Chevy guys.

Posted By: SLOW67

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 06:50 PM

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Chevys big issue and the reason the SBC stuff is getting so cheap is because everybody is opting to go LS, even a junkyard 5.3 out of any silvers do will make 500 reliable HP with not much more that a cam intake (carb) swap and ported heads.

Guys on here don't believe that

LS is the way to go if you want cheap, reliable power

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 11:47 PM

I was one of the original Indy dealers ( talk about rape), have built, loved, raced Mopars for near 25 years--Never raced another brand except some Fords when I was 17 years old. I have been paying the "Mopar Tax" like the rest of you and dumping on Chevy as long as I have been alive but......
decided I wanted a front engine dragster, found a new chassis cheap--it was set up for a SBC so...
I almost have it ready, and...I have bought more high quality small block Chevy stuff that you could haul in a pick up truck for less than a set of Indy rockers.
Those who say that the good stuff is the same price has never built a SBC--I can get Jesel used for less than a Mopar oil filter if I shop with cash in my pocket. I can go to the 7-11 Store for beer and get a deal on Wiseco Chevy domes in the parking lot.
High Quality Chevy stuff is cheaper than Mopar flex plates--Period! The Cheapo SBC China junk never enters my shop--I can get the "good stuff" CHEAP.
Facts is Facts --Swapping to Chevy has made a new race car a reality and affordable even in this "world may end" economy and that...for me...has been salvation!!!!!!!
Hot rodding and racing and going fast is my passion, NOT a Name brand. I Love me a Mopar but I really Love going fast--whatever it takes it what I will do!!!!

Posted By: fishy340

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/07/12 11:58 PM

A 900hp sb wether it be chevy,ford or mopar are gonna be close to the same amount of $.I see a huge disparity when you go bb...a bb chevy 1000 hp is nothing compared to doin it to a mopar.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/08/12 01:35 AM

The original post was about deals from parts sellers to engine shops
We can buy a pick your cubic inch big chevy --aftermarket block, alum heads, steel creank, H beams, solid roller--EVERYTHING but a carb and distributor--the distributor will send a sleasman to our shop with it all in a van, deliver it Free--we pick cam, rocker ratio, CI,intake, compression,valve covers, all fasteners, gaskets THE works etc all delivered for approx $8K check it out, assemble it, add shop carb and an MSD dist, put it on the dyno and Bam! 1000 Real HP first pull
Whew!!! Try that with a Mopar and you start to get the picture---a crank grinder can't tell if it is a Mopar crank or a Chevy--the steel is the same, we pay a "tax" to run what we love--and the only reason I love them is that when we were forced to run stock parts Mopar STOMPED the others with strength and quality--now that we all run everything aftermarket right down to the fenders --you have to ask yourself...
Look..I am not a Camaro guy OK , give me a sharktooth grill Duster with a 4 speed, 410 gear, wicked 340 and I am in heaven but facts is facts about the race world and Mopar vs. Chevy as far as cost.
I listened to a sage, old , very smart man say one time--The entire Hotrod parts industry was built on the Small Block Chevy and without it None of us would have anything aftermarket

Posted By: Winchester 73

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/08/12 04:48 AM

i wonder if the guys on the ferrari boards sit around and whine about how cheap it is to go faster in a chevy

mopars are cooler.chevys remind me of welfare cheese.

Posted By: SpareParts

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/08/12 05:32 AM

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quote: "if you think you're gonna run your smallblock Mopar or Hemi like you run a SBC or BBC, you're crazy. You'll wind up with a bushel of broken parts."

You got it mixed up, if you try to run a sbc or bbc like a Mopar you will end up with a bushel of broken parts. The Mopar engines are engineered way more heavy duty than the Chevy junk. Put modern lighter, stronger parts in your Mopar engine they will outrun and out live any similar prepared chevy engine.

I have several junkyard block, junkyard headed SB Mopar engines with flat tappet cams, flat top pistons, on gas that will out run many alcohol burning, roller cammed, dome-top piston, aftermarket aluminum headed, aftermarket block sbc in similar weight cars

Car in picture has a junkyard block and heads SB Mopar with 1400+ runs and is still going strong. Short block has never been disassembled nor have the heads had a valve job. I changed the valve springs twice and the rod bearings twice after smashing the oil pan doing huge wheelies. The $10000 winnings from the 2008 wheelstand contest at Byron could damn near build 2 more engines just like it. Just won the $2500 FB race Sat. at the turkey trot race in Holly Springs MS

9.68 at 136mph--1.261 60ft.--3050#--factory 360 block and smog year heads from a maxi van church bus at speedway salvage

I thought I remember Car Craft reporting that you had a 416" or something similar motor and a pant load of weight in the trunk the year you won Byron. Did that pop and now you run a 360? ? just askin

Posted By: 383man

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/08/12 05:38 AM

Who cares ?

Not me. I dont even look at prices on Chevy stuff because I dont want one plain and simple. Call me old fashioned or brand loyal but all I want is my Mopar muscle car.

Ron

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/08/12 09:21 AM

For a Mopar website this one sure has a lot of Chevy talk in its forums.

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/08/12 03:59 PM

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For a Mopar website this one sure has a lot of Chevy talk in its forums.

Don't forget Mustang and Toyotter.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/08/12 07:10 PM

I don't want anyone to think I am a Chevy lover
The original post was about end of the year Crazy Cheap deals on really really great aftermarket blocks--something we will never ever see in the Mopar world--remember waiting a year on a Hemi block that needed machine shop Hours when you got it?? Thats all that started this...Chevy guys have it made as far as quality parts for a ton less than Mopar guys---Daurity was just saying it made him wince when he thought about how much a Mopar was compared to a Dart--thats how I read it and...he is right, Chevy guys have it easy. I added that I am building one by chance and could tell you that they are Way cheaper even for high quality parts. No Chevy lover here ( but I will drive the crud out of one if given the chance)

Posted By: chryco

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/08/12 11:41 PM

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For a Mopar website this one sure has a lot of Chevy talk in its forums.

I`ll bet there`s more Chevy talk on this Mopar site than there is Mopar talk on the average chevy site !
That`s the difference !!!!LOL !!
chryco

Posted By: qwkmopardan

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/10/12 12:30 AM

9.68 at 136mph--1.261 60ft.--3050#--factory 360 block and smog year heads from a maxi van church bus at speedway salvage

I thought I remember Car Craft reporting that you had a 416" or something similar motor and a pant load of weight in the trunk the year you won Byron. Did that pop and now you run a 360? ? just askin

Same motor since spring 2007. 1400+ passes. 1973 360 block and heads with a stroker crank at 418c.i. 75lbs in the trunk and a full 3 gallon gas tank.

Posted By: camastomcat

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/10/12 01:13 AM

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9.68 at 136mph--1.261 60ft.--3050#--factory 360 block and smog year heads from a maxi van church bus at speedway salvage

I thought I remember Car Craft reporting that you had a 416" or something similar motor and a pant load of weight in the trunk the year you won Byron. Did that pop and now you run a 360? ? just askin

Same motor since spring 2007. 1400+ passes. 1973 360 block and heads with a stroker crank at 418c.i. 75lbs in the trunk and a full 3 gallon gas tank.

So.....you're saying you have production stock cast steel heads on that thing and it runs 9's? What's it weigh.....1800#'s? If so, that's some head porter. The SS/EA world record in 9.37.

Posted By: 52savoy

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/11/12 08:51 AM

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Who cares ? Not me. I dont even look at prices on Chevy stuff because I dont want one plain and simple. Call me old fashioned or brand loyal but all I want is my Mopar muscle car. Ron

ya know Ron... IMO, I think it's an age thing. Us guys that have been running MOPARS since the muscle car days remember how this war started... and why many STILL are brand loyal.

If I really wanted a cheap reliable car, I would buy a Honda..
I've never been thrilled with cookie cutter cars that every punk and his grandma drove and could run 10s all day long with a 2 bbl.

If your in the car hobby and counting pennies or whinning about costs, your in the wrong hobby.

ps.. why do some of you insist in keep talking this crap on MOPARTS? give us a break.

MOPAR OR NO-CAR

Posted By: OhioMopar

Re: Chevy guys got it easy. - 12/11/12 11:23 AM

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Who cares ? Not me. I dont even look at prices on Chevy stuff because I dont want one plain and simple. Call me old fashioned or brand loyal but all I want is my Mopar muscle car. Ron

ya know Ron... IMO, I think it's an age thing. Us guys that have been running MOPARS since the muscle car days remember how this war started... and why many STILL are brand loyal.

If I really wanted a cheap reliable car, I would buy a Honda..
I've never been thrilled with cookie cutter cars that every punk and his grandma drove and could run 10s all day long with a 2 bbl.

If your in the car hobby and counting pennies or whinning about costs, your in the wrong hobby.

ps.. why do some of you insist in keep talking this crap on MOPARTS? give us a break.

MOPAR OR NO-CAR

It's not 'just' an age thing. I was brought up around MoPars, Studebakers, Subarus, Internationals. But the only thing I grew up loving was the MoPars. Everyone at school had a Chevy or liked Chevies or had a Ford F-150...