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Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno
Posted By: Scott58
Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/12/12 05:10 AM
Posted By: Scott58
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/12/12 05:15 AM
The engine is a normally aspirated 588 and is designed for extended street use. Valve lift is under .690, cranking compression is 160#. Dyno headers are 2 1/8" Super Comps. All testing was done with pump gas from the local Speedway gas station.
Posted By: Scott58
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/12/12 05:21 AM
More compression, cam, headers, and a different intake would probably improve the power, but I wanted reliability and a lower scoop profile for the street.
Posted By: bwdst6
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/12/12 05:43 AM
Nice! So what car is it in and what class are you running?
Posted By: jim sciortino
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/12/12 05:43 AM
That's going to be serious fun on the street.....
Posted By: Scott58
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/12/12 05:48 AM
The engine is going into a 67 Belvedere chassis. I plan to run in the Street Race class, big block normally aspirated category.
Posted By: ksj
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/12/12 06:52 AM
Isnt that the class Bill Fowler runs in?Better check the rules as you may need a straw hat to enter.
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/12/12 12:46 PM
That is a nice combo! Are you allowed a tanker trailer with fuel? Curious what lifters and valve springs you're using?
Posted By: Defbob
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/12/12 01:49 PM
I believe you could have made more power with a smaller port. The velocity must have been low.
Posted By: Scott58
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/12/12 02:37 PM
Yep, it was way down on power due to the ports, probably would have been 1150 instead of "only" 1054.
Posted By: BBR
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/12/12 03:19 PM
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The engine is going into a 67 Belvedere chassis. I plan to run in the Street Race class, big block normally aspirated category.
Posted By: rickseeman
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/12/12 05:56 PM
Are those millineum heads?
Posted By: SCATPACK 1
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/12/12 06:53 PM
Scott I really hope you make it out for the 2013 DW. I do have a question about your AWESOME HEMI build, How much cam are you runing? Do you use pushrod oiling with the Barton Rocker Arm setup? If not, how well do they live on the street. The only reason I am asking, I was going to buy a used setup from a SS racer and he said they were not recommended for long runs or street use since they had such limited oiling.
Thanks for the input and Good luck.
Posted By: Scott58
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/13/12 02:07 AM
Lifters are Comp 98829's. Heads are Stage V Millenniums. Cam is about 280 @ .050 at about .685 lift on intake. The spray oiling remains to be proven on the street, but I think 572Charger has used this setup quite a bit on the street with no problems. There is really quite a bit of spray up in the valve covers at pressure. I'll be watching it closely while driving the car next year during testing, if necessary we will add some oil to the top end, either via pushrods or more spray.
Posted By: Defbob
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/13/12 11:30 PM
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Yep, it was way down on power due to the ports, probably would have been 1150 instead of "only" 1054.
I apologize, I realize I misread the chart. I saw the "821 HP" and thought it was the peak HP. My mistake. 
Posted By: Sledge_57
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/14/12 12:32 AM
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Yep, it was way down on power due to the ports, probably would have been 1150 instead of "only" 1054.
I apologize, I realize I misread the chart. I saw the "821 HP" and thought it was the peak HP. My mistake.
I thought the same thing...
Posted By: bwdst6
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/14/12 12:43 AM
Has anyone heard any rumors on where Drag Week will actually be held next year?
Posted By: ProSport
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/14/12 01:09 AM
I mis-read the chart also lol, those are great numbers, that will be an amazing pump gas street motor.
With the design of the upper portion of your intake, will it need any kind of blow out window?
I just wondered as it looks similar to some of those intakes that have a tendancy to go boom during fire up, unless its different than what I'm thinking of.
Posted By: Dragula
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/14/12 01:41 AM
Wish I could afford a car that an engine like that would work in. Lots of details to work out on an engine like that...really cool..Very sweet build for sure. How many cubes is that thing that you are running two SV1's?
Also, I know Jim Paranis (572Charger) personally, and he does drive his 605 on the street....
Posted By: mcat4321
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/14/12 01:42 AM
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Has anyone heard any rumors on where Drag Week will actually be held next year?
i heard they are doing it in England this year... so Larson and Lutz can hand Andy Frost his asss
Posted By: domingo
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/14/12 02:12 AM
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Lifters are Comp 98829's. Heads are Stage V Millenniums. Cam is about 280 @ .050 at about .685 lift on intake. The spray oiling remains to be proven on the street, but I think 572Charger has used this setup quite a bit on the street with no problems. There is really quite a bit of spray up in the valve covers at pressure. I'll be watching it closely while driving the car next year during testing, if necessary we will add some oil to the top end, either via pushrods or more spray.
why do you think you will have problems with oiling on the valve train? I thought that Barton Rocker setup should be problem free???
You got a "mild" cam and dnt think you will be pushing the RPMs too hard...so why do you think it would be a problem???
Posted By: Scott58
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/14/12 05:17 AM
Seems like the captions on the curve were confusing so I edited them and put the peak numbers on the graph.
As to the oiling, I don't really expect problems, but there is a lot of street driving during Drag Week, including idling and low RPM operation in traffic, etc. It will find any weaknesses! My plan is to do a fair amount of similar driving and check the valvetrain to make sure there are no dry spots getting hot under the valve covers.
Posted By: domingo
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/14/12 06:11 AM
Oh,,,I gotcha!!!
killer engine BTW.....I need one like that!!!
Posted By: BBR
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/14/12 07:27 PM
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The engine is going into a 67 Belvedere chassis. I plan to run in the Street Race class, big block normally aspirated category.
x2!!!!
Posted By: domingo
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/14/12 07:41 PM
How much static compression do you have???
Posted By: Joe Dokes
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/14/12 09:57 PM
That engine is truly awe inspiring, those ports look like they could swallow a small child!
Can't wait to see it run.
Regards,
Joe Dokes
Posted By: Scott58
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/14/12 11:11 PM
Static CR is 11.7:1. The ports were that size when I bought the heads, they were enlarged some time in the past. Ideally, they could be smaller and that would probably bring the torque up some down low, but as it stands at 900+ ft-lbs in a NA narrow tire class it should do fine. On top I think the engine is making everything it can with that cam, the oversize ports don't seem to be hurting it. I'm curious to see how it drives on the street.
Posted By: MoparBilly
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/15/12 06:36 AM
Kim behind the wheel, you with the camcorder...
Posted By: Scott58
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/15/12 01:52 PM
Too scary for me....how about Rachel behind the wheel and YOU with a camcorder?
Posted By: 572charger
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 11/25/12 02:47 PM
mine has the spray bar oiling with no problems in 10 yrs !!!! my cam is bigger ive got regular stage V heads mine is about 900 hp ive run 9.60s at 142mph on pumpgas at 3910lbs mine is out of the car for the 1st time in 5 yrs for a freshen up for 1213 drag week !!! maybe i'll get some millenium heads
Posted By: 67HEMI
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/08/13 01:45 PM
Bump for checking in on Drag Week MOPARS....you guys still planning on going?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/08/13 02:09 PM
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Bump for checking in on Drag Week MOPARS....you guys still planning on going?
Yeah I'm gonna be there.... I'm putting the new engine
in today.. I did a little fine tuning of the front end
so its easier to get the starter out in case it breaks
Posted By: Dragula
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/08/13 05:54 PM
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Reached a long awaited milestone in my Hemi build this week. After collecting parts and slowly progressing through the build for the past year and a half, the engine finally found its way to the dyno cell last week. I had hoped to run the engine in 2012, but the schedule did not work out. I am now targeting 2013 to have engine and car at Drag Week.
I am in luv....
You know, that is about everything I would do to my Hemi, and then some...Saweet...You got to post some vids on how that runs!
Posted By: Bad340fish
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/08/13 11:55 PM
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Bump for checking in on Drag Week MOPARS....you guys still planning on going?
Im still in, I had what ended up being some valve seals that werent working well. I changed them and my smoke show is gone and I have finally gotten to drive it. Still needs a few little things like the tach quit working, radiator leaks now, etc. I hope to actually get some miles on it this weekend.
For drag week last year it was together for almost a whole year....this time it will only be a month or so.
Are you in? I look forward to seeing that car.
Considering the average car population drag week is pretty mopar heavy. Just from the top of my head I can think of 8 mopars going and I know I am missing several. Thats a good mopar to brand X ratio lol.
Posted By: Darryls-Demon
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/09/13 03:52 AM
Still in, leaving three weeks early driving to Michigan to see my Mom and sister then onto Bowling Green.
I need to do some testing before DW[both of the tracks here are closed] so the plan is to stop at Tulsa for there Saturday night drags on Aug 17 to test and then more testing at Mid Michigan drag strip[the last time I ran a car there it was called central Michigan]
Its a good thing I do not mind driving.
Posted By: Bad340fish
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/09/13 04:08 AM
Maybe I will see you in at the track in Tulsa, I need to get some testing in myself.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/09/13 04:10 AM
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Still in, leaving three weeks early driving to Michigan to see my Mom and sister then onto Bowling Green.
I need to do some testing before DW[both of the tracks here are closed] so the plan is to stop at Tulsa for there Saturday night drags on Aug 17 to test and then more testing at Mid Michigan drag strip[the last time I ran a car there it was called central Michigan]
Its a good thing I do not mind driving.
Where does your mom live... if your near the north
Detroit area let me know... maybe you can swing by
Posted By: Darryls-Demon
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/09/13 05:07 AM
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Still in, leaving three weeks early driving to Michigan to see my Mom and sister then onto Bowling Green.
I need to do some testing before DW[both of the tracks here are closed] so the plan is to stop at Tulsa for there Saturday night drags on Aug 17 to test and then more testing at Mid Michigan drag strip[the last time I ran a car there it was called central Michigan]
Its a good thing I do not mind driving.
Where does your mom live... if your near the north
Detroit area let me know... maybe you can swing by
Mom lives 250 miles north of Detroit[little town called Alpena my home town] so I will have to drive 220 miles one way to test at Mid Michigan.
Hope everything goes well with your car mike.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/09/13 05:15 AM
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Still in, leaving three weeks early driving to Michigan to see my Mom and sister then onto Bowling Green.
I need to do some testing before DW[both of the tracks here are closed] so the plan is to stop at Tulsa for there Saturday night drags on Aug 17 to test and then more testing at Mid Michigan drag strip[the last time I ran a car there it was called central Michigan]
Its a good thing I do not mind driving.
Where does your mom live... if your near the north
Detroit area let me know... maybe you can swing by
Mom lives 250 miles north of Detroit[little town called Alpena my home town] so I will have to drive 220 miles one way to test at Mid Michigan.
Hope everything goes well with your car mike.
Alpena is 45 miles north of my other house (Oscoda)..
I should be buttoned up tomorrow and get on the
road this weekend for testing
Posted By: Darryls-Demon
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/09/13 05:55 AM
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Maybe I will see you in at the track in Tulsa, I need to get some testing in myself.
I will be looking for you at the track Clark, I hope the weather is nice.
Posted By: Darryls-Demon
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/09/13 05:59 AM
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Still in, leaving three weeks early driving to Michigan to see my Mom and sister then onto Bowling Green.
I need to do some testing before DW[both of the tracks here are closed] so the plan is to stop at Tulsa for there Saturday night drags on Aug 17 to test and then more testing at Mid Michigan drag strip[the last time I ran a car there it was called central Michigan]
Its a good thing I do not mind driving.
Where does your mom live... if your near the north
Detroit area let me know... maybe you can swing by
Mom lives 250 miles north of Detroit[little town called Alpena my home town] so I will have to drive 220 miles one way to test at Mid Michigan.
Hope everything goes well with your car mike.
Alpena is 45 miles north of my other house (Oscoda)..
I should be buttoned up tomorrow and get on the
road this weekend for testing
You need to pack a cooler and the wife and make a shake down run with your car up to Alpena Mike.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/09/13 12:49 PM
You need to pack a cooler and the wife and make a shake down run with your car up to Alpena Mike.
I was gonna run up to Oscoda if I get the time but
as of now it looks like I'll be testing around here
Posted By: charger410
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/14/13 07:01 AM
You've got to love Hemi builds
My Hemi's very similar to yours 12.0comp, 604cu, Stage 5 millenniums, twin 1250 pro-system carbs on a Hogan manifold.
Was interesting comparing your dyno to mine cos the engines are real close
896torque at 6100 and 1145hp at 7300
Sure will be a hand full on the street AWESOME!!!
Posted By: mprhound
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 08/17/13 03:50 AM
I'll be there, got the new brewer 4 speed in, waited as long as i could on the passon box (number 13 on the list) Jamie will probably give me a call the first day of drag week! oh well, this year will just be a few more rpm on the drive between tracks. My first dragweek and can't wait!
Posted By: Defbob
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 09/05/13 03:24 PM
I can't wait to hear how you guys do on Dragweek, good luck
Posted By: 572_HEMI_Cuda
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 09/05/13 10:03 PM
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You've got to love Hemi builds
My Hemi's very similar to yours 12.0comp, 604cu, Stage 5 millenniums, twin 1250 pro-system carbs on a Hogan manifold.
Was interesting comparing your dyno to mine cos the engines are real close
896torque at 6100 and 1145hp at 7300
Sure will be a hand full on the street AWESOME!!!
My build is close to the same except with vacuum carbs. What kind of times are you running and at what weight?
Thanks
Posted By: charger410
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 09/06/13 02:51 PM
Unfortunately I haven't done any full passes in it yet the previous owner went 8.2 at 170mph. But he did have oiling issues with the spray bars and had to pull the engine down with less than 20 passes on it.
Rick Walters Racing freshened the whole thing and changed to push rod oiling. I bought the car TK with only dyno time on the engine.
I've only taken the car out once to orientate myself with the car and to check the jetting and tune. Very happy with it runs strong.
I haven't weighed it yet but at a guess 2900's with driver.
Posted By: 572_HEMI_Cuda
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 09/06/13 09:22 PM
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Unfortunately I haven't done any full passes in it yet the previous owner went 8.2 at 170mph. But he did have oiling issues with the spray bars and had to pull the engine down with less than 20 passes on it.
Rick Walters Racing freshened the whole thing and changed to push rod oiling. I bought the car TK with only dyno time on the engine.
I've only taken the car out once to orientate myself with the car and to check the jetting and tune. Very happy with it runs strong.
I haven't weighed it yet but at a guess 2900's with driver.
Nice, I wish I could get down to 2900 lbs. not sure I could find a way to take another 300 lbs out of my car without killing it.
Good luck with the car.
Posted By: charger410
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 09/07/13 01:06 AM
572 hemi what type of vac carbs you running and how come?
I Watched your youtube flicks, well maybe more than once
certainly gets off in a hurry.
What sort of power did yours make if that's not too personal?
Should probably start up a thread on millennium head combos? Evan hemi combos?
Posted By: 572_HEMI_Cuda
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 09/07/13 02:02 AM
mine made 1080 hp. The vac carbs were for nss classes. They are BIGS carbs.
Those video's are around 1.32-1.34 60ft because I pull out so much timing with the small tire. Plus thats how I slow the car for the 8.50 index.
Posted By: Scott58
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 09/19/13 06:25 PM
Well, I obviously did not get the car done this year for Drag Week (my last name is NOT Gebhart), so I suppose I need to change the title to "Drag Week 2014 Hemi - Sitting in the Garage". We ended up taking the old beater Road Runner again in daily driver and did OK. We had a great time and I was especially impressed that no less than 5 (running) Gebhart family cars showed up for registration! Congratulations to them an all that made the show! Now, back to the shop and work on the hemi car....next year will be here before you know it!
Scott
Posted By: 23T Hemmee
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 09/19/13 06:54 PM
Hey Scott,
I had seen the title to this thread but didn't realize it was you until just a few minutes ago. Been wondering how the project was going, looks like you're doing a great job. Sorry you didn't make it this year but like you said, next year.........
Posted By: MoparBilly
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 09/20/13 02:20 PM
Qualified #10 for the Daily Driver quick 32, and then dominated the 5 round bracket race to win the class. Little better than "OK", Scott!
Actually glad to see the Orange RR get it's just rewards!
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 09/20/13 02:25 PM
Was good to see you there this year Scott... congrats
on the DD win... you did good with the old RR
Posted By: johnnycuda
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 09/20/13 06:44 PM
Hey Scott,its John from Calvert Racing..congrats on the win! I hope the parts I sold you did their job!
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Well, I obviously did not get the car done this year for Drag Week (my last name is NOT Gebhart), so I suppose I need to change the title to "Drag Week 2014 Hemi - Sitting in the Garage". We ended up taking the old beater Road Runner again in daily driver and did OK. We had a great time and I was especially impressed that no less than 5 (running) Gebhart family cars showed up for registration! Congratulations to them an all that made the show! Now, back to the shop and work on the hemi car....next year will be here before you know it!
Scott
Posted By: Dragula
Re: Drag Week 2013 Hemi on Dyno - 06/16/14 04:14 AM
Thought I would see where this build got to this year....Any news for 2014?